(PSN)KainBethell Posted October 13, 2016 Share Posted October 13, 2016 * Just to be clear these items would have the same stat values as there prime/unprimed counterparts, but would have different animations and design style, they would be items and not just skins, but wouldn’t necessarily have to give mastery points So let’s call this new range “Alpha” items * So currently we have Prime items (Frames, weapons and accessories) some of these items can be farmed and others the accessories can’t and have to be paid for. Yes I know we have Tennogen items, but they are not a range like prime items are and it is all determined on the designer continuing to make the same style across all frames Also the Alpha range wouldn’t have to publish from old to new like the current prime range does so we could design for some of the newer frames and weapons As for Umbra, DE seems to have a plan for that and it seems that it may not be a range of frames Lore wise it could be inserted that the “Alpha” items where a reskin for one of the sevens personal tastes This range would always be available and would not be limited time only I personally think it could be a new revenue stream for DE as long as they don’t expect PA or PAA prices and they have no filler content My idea would be to hire at least two new people to only do this content so there would be no impact on resources, and would hope that a steady stream of one frame plus a couple of items a month to be produced So if another range “Alpha” items was introduced would you buy them ? Please could you give your reasons and not just a yes or no answer Many thank Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Extroah Posted October 13, 2016 Share Posted October 13, 2016 1 minute ago, (PS4)KainBethell said: As for Umbra, DE seems to have a plan for that and it seems that it may not be a range of frames Umbra will be a range of Frames, not only Excalibur Umbra. As for the Topic, i would 100% buy an "Alpha" version of my fav. Frames, specially Excalibur. I missed the Founders Program so no Prime Excalibur for me, but an "Alpha" would certainly be something to drool over, depending on how they decide to make them look like. Umbra is already said to be the "Dark/Evil"-Warframe lineup, so "Alpha" could have design inspirations from somewhere else, maybe the opposite of Umbra, like a "holy" Version. White with Blue accents and some "halo/aura" around them or something. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iceheart125 Posted October 13, 2016 Share Posted October 13, 2016 Nah. Deluxe skins and new stances. I like the idea, but f2p is kinda one of the selling points. Any major hit to that, and it's not good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Varacal Posted October 13, 2016 Share Posted October 13, 2016 only things that can only be bought and not farmed are primed accessories, you're technically farming for the cosmetics in the market since you can farm prime parts/mods and sell it to buy cosmetics, and if they give no advantage and doesnt give any mastery points, then it'd be a waste to make it into a new separate entity rather than just making it a skin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glitch_Kitten Posted October 13, 2016 Share Posted October 13, 2016 why would you want this? it's not like de doesn't get enough money, and it'd just annoy the community. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EmptyDevil Posted October 13, 2016 Share Posted October 13, 2016 No. It would be pointless because it's just another variant with no real change other than to look special. This kind of thing only serves people that want to be special snowflakes. We don't need more variants and this would possibly be a waste of resources IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edin78 Posted October 13, 2016 Share Posted October 13, 2016 NO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LSG501 Posted October 13, 2016 Share Posted October 13, 2016 (edited) No I wouldn't buy them.... while it wouldn't have any impact on gameplay it would be ANOTHER fashion item that can't be bought with the ingame currencies. It's bad enough now with tennogen (which if it does need to stay cash only, I don't like this either, then I think it should be sold directly on DE site not on steam but that's another matter). Not to mention these would have ludicrous prices like prime packs and pre discount plat prices... both of which I will never pay for at those prices. Edited October 13, 2016 by LSG501 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xekrin Posted October 13, 2016 Share Posted October 13, 2016 8 minutes ago, (PS4)KainBethell said: My idea would be to hire at least two new people to only do this content so there would be no impact on resources, You realize it takes a literal 'team' of art designers, animation artists, programmers sound designers and I don't even know what else to create just one new frame. I know you kindly suggested 'at least' 2 people but it would likely require an entire secondary team of various stations to do nothing but produce content. I think you are vastly underestimating how much time and effort goes into making weapons, animations, sound effects and most of all, frames. I feel like your heart is in the right place, wanting to produce another source of revenue for DE but this isn't it. If you want to support DE, buy a PA, heck buy two and gift one to a friend but let's leave the business models in DE's hands, they seem to be doing alright so far. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MillbrookWest Posted October 13, 2016 Share Posted October 13, 2016 27 minutes ago, (PS4)KainBethell said: So if another range “Alpha” items was introduced would you buy them ? Please could you give your reasons and not just a yes or no answer Many thank The deluxe skins, and tennogen, compliment the current F2P model. Add more Pay to Play items, specifically frames/weapons, and you ruin what once complimented each other so well. You now have more 'Pay-to-play' elements than you do F2P elements. This would be a disaster, as it would stop people coming in, and it would push people like me away who get sick of people boasting about their non-tangible virtual items. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Evanescent Posted October 13, 2016 Share Posted October 13, 2016 So a skin that's not called a skin? ???? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mindlord0013 Posted October 13, 2016 Share Posted October 13, 2016 There are some Tennogen contributors that put out themed ranges of outstanding content, and have had almost all of their themed range accepted so far. The main example I can think of is Faven_PS' Graxx line of skins - Grineer themed premium quality skins all with alt helmets. They have Nova, Mirage, Rhino, Excalibur, Frost, Volt, Valkyr, and a syandana all accepted so far, with a Nyx, Ember, Saryn, and second syandana in the workshop and looking amazing and ready to be accepted for the next wave. If you want a set of items with a purely cosmetic difference and a set of heavy lore, why don't you design them yourself? If you lack the skills to actually make them, find someone who has the skills to do so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koldraxon-732 Posted October 13, 2016 Share Posted October 13, 2016 35 minutes ago, (PS4)KainBethell said: [Pay-only items that aren't cosmetics] DE does not lock items behind paywalls, except cosmetics and Prime cosmetics. If you believe this 'Alpha' line must be put in that fashion, then it must be a cosmetic range instead of actual, pre-built items. Spoiler As for Umbra, I believe the starter weapons and Warframes would, eventually be Umbra'd (Mag/Loki/Volt, and Braton/Paris, Lato/Kunai, Skana/Bo), although these would all require their non-Prime counterparts to be sacrificed to acquire access. One of my concepts is an altered version of the original tutorial mission in Warframe (when you first awake) which involves you (the Tenno him/herself) and your Orbiter having been downed, but the enemy are still searching. You would grab a trio of these Umbra weapons, which would have adjustable stats but are more of a sidegrade to the Prime versions (no Kunai P yet, and Lato/Skana Ps are Founder-Exclusives, I know), and after returning the Umbra to yourself, you'd get the option to send another 'frame back to the spot to pick up the other weapons, although it would be a very dangerous task as you wouldn't have your mods on your Warframe or weapons due to the Orbiter being under repair. Furthermore, the Umbra would speak like a Spectre, retaining what appears to be some thoughts from a previous operator; basically, it speaks in lieu of your Operator, and your team would hear it. Using emotes like 'disagree' and 'follow' with the Umbra would make it say such in that Spectre voice. I would suggest having these 'Alphas' as additional cosmetics that would cover a range of weapons and Warframes and provide a 'pre-release' design (i.e: before mass-production and before being gilded in gold) as was subtly alluded to by the one who 'became one with the forest'... Spoiler ...Then there would be 'Betas', which would be a blend of the Orokin and Tenno designs unlike the 'Alphas', which are of Orokin design, but are not Prime as they are the first iterations of the Warframes (simplistic design hinting at current Warframe's default design, like a concept built for a testing phase). On a completely different subject to do with mods, I have made a concept for a new kind of Arcane, for those concerned about mod slots and capacities for other mods like Intruder. Spoiler Perhaps design a new Arcane that would be 'blank', but be of four types: Warframe, Primary/Secondary/Melee, Companion. The mods installed (4 total, 20 capacity) would be 1/4th their original effectiveness or so, but would be a valuable addition. These could be found in pieces (full sets often span across Derelicts, Voids, and their Challenge Rooms, but these cannot be traded) and when built with a bias (i.e: 2 pieces or more are for Warframes) it would be made able to be mounted onto that slot (Warframes), although doesn't mount on the Warframes themselves. Doesn't work in Dojo or Conclave. Is always going to be inferior to the current Arcanes. Assembly requirements: 3 Arcane Slot Cartridges, 1 Exilus, 4 Forma, 50 Ducats. Resource requirements may involve Cryotic and Oxium. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(PSN)KainBethell Posted October 13, 2016 Author Share Posted October 13, 2016 (edited) 1 hour ago, Glitch_Kitten said: why would you want this? it's not like de doesn't get enough money, and it'd just annoy the community. If DE has more money they can employee more people to make the game they want and we love better 36 minutes ago, Evanescent said: So a skin that's not called a skin? ???? Yes, you can mod it differently if you want 44 minutes ago, MillbrookWest said: The deluxe skins, and tennogen, compliment the current F2P model. Add more Pay to Play items, specifically frames/weapons, and you ruin what once complimented each other so well. You now have more 'Pay-to-play' elements than you do F2P elements. This would be a disaster, as it would stop people coming in, and it would push people like me away who get sick of people boasting about their non-tangible virtual items. With the current system you can get everything apart from Prime accessories and tennogen items for free (i.e. trading) and as a PS4 Tenno we are not guaranteed all the tennogen items, so I feel the consoles don't have the problem like our PC tenno borthers do 24 minutes ago, mindlord0013 said: There are some Tennogen contributors that put out themed ranges of outstanding content, and have had almost all of their themed range accepted so far. The main example I can think of is Faven_PS' Graxx line of skins - Grineer themed premium quality skins all with alt helmets. They have Nova, Mirage, Rhino, Excalibur, Frost, Volt, Valkyr, and a syandana all accepted so far, with a Nyx, Ember, Saryn, and second syandana in the workshop and looking amazing and ready to be accepted for the next wave. If you want a set of items with a purely cosmetic difference and a set of heavy lore, why don't you design them yourself? If you lack the skills to actually make them, find someone who has the skills to do so. PS4 Tenno are not even aware if the Graxx line is coming to us It is also one of the many reason I have put this forward, if it is in DE's hands then it will come to ALL platforms 45 minutes ago, Xekrin said: You realize it takes a literal 'team' of art designers, animation artists, programmers sound designers and I don't even know what else to create just one new frame. I know you kindly suggested 'at least' 2 people but it would likely require an entire secondary team of various stations to do nothing but produce content. I think you are vastly underestimating how much time and effort goes into making weapons, animations, sound effects and most of all, frames. I feel like your heart is in the right place, wanting to produce another source of revenue for DE but this isn't it. If you want to support DE, buy a PA, heck buy two and gift one to a friend but let's leave the business models in DE's hands, they seem to be doing alright so far. The Tennogen designers seem to be doing quite well on there own and just to be clear I am talking about reskining the current items and adding slightly different animations, not making brand new items, that the reason I suggest at least two one designer and one animation person It seems like the life blood of warframe is new items or fashion frame and I would never suggest new items be pay only, so I can only see a new range to accompany the prime range to be a possibility and still within the ethos that DE is trying to achieve Edited October 13, 2016 by (PS4)KainBethell Spelling and a few extra comments Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ailissa Posted October 13, 2016 Share Posted October 13, 2016 No. I'm not as concerned as some people are for looking "unique". Personally I don't often notice what other people are wearing in the game because i'm concentrating on the mission. The prices of things in this game are quite high for what they are. Prime Access alone is around the cost of a brand new triple a title and that is far too much for me to spend on something cosmetic in a game I may put down at any moment. I wouldn't be able to justify to my husband why I spent a chunk of money we both work hard for on a games cosmetic items at the price DE charge. Don't get me wrong, i've spent the odd £5 - £7 on cosmetics in other games but when you look at the £30 - £60 DE charge for Prime stuff .... yeah, not happening.... ever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(PSN)KainBethell Posted October 13, 2016 Author Share Posted October 13, 2016 1 hour ago, Extroah said: Umbra will be a range of Frames, not only Excalibur Umbra. As for the Topic, i would 100% buy an "Alpha" version of my fav. Frames, specially Excalibur. I missed the Founders Program so no Prime Excalibur for me, but an "Alpha" would certainly be something to drool over, depending on how they decide to make them look like. Umbra is already said to be the "Dark/Evil"-Warframe lineup, so "Alpha" could have design inspirations from somewhere else, maybe the opposite of Umbra, like a "holy" Version. White with Blue accents and some "halo/aura" around them or something. Yes I had that in the back of my mind 15 minutes ago, Koldraxon-732 said: I would suggest having these 'Alphas' as additional cosmetics that would cover a range of weapons and Warframes and provide a 'pre-release' design (i.e: before mass-production and before being gilded in gold) as was subtly alluded to by the one who 'became one with the forest'... A very good idea as well Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpeedOfLightPuncher Posted October 13, 2016 Share Posted October 13, 2016 Then they are just skins.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(PSN)KainBethell Posted October 13, 2016 Author Share Posted October 13, 2016 9 minutes ago, Ailissa said: The prices of things in this game are quite high for what they are. Prime Access alone is around the cost of a brand new triple a title and that is far too much for me to spend on something cosmetic in a game I may put down at any moment. I wouldn't be able to justify to my husband why I spent a chunk of money we both work hard for on a games cosmetic items at the price DE charge. Don't get me wrong, i've spent the odd £5 - £7 on cosmetics in other games but when you look at the £30 - £60 DE charge for Prime stuff .... yeah, not happening.... ever. No I agree I was thinking £5 for the frame and £3 for the other items each, or do a bundle of everything produced that month for a £10 One of the things I would like this to be is extra money for DE, but a cheaper fashion frame possibility to many Tenno out there that cannot afford the prices of the PA and PAA Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glitch_Kitten Posted October 13, 2016 Share Posted October 13, 2016 16 minutes ago, (PS4)KainBethell said: If DE has more money they can employee more people to make the game they want and we love better more people =/= better quality also that's really, really poor reasoning. de isnt some indie company, they're relatively large, they don't NEED the money, the prime access and prime unvaulting is a much, much, much better way of them boosting sales, rather than selling reskins that count as different weapons. There's literally no point to having an 'alpha' range, because they're literally just skins with no added benefits other than 'i spent money on this game haha look at me guys im cool' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoninJed Posted October 13, 2016 Share Posted October 13, 2016 Prime access and Tennogen...we don't need anymore stuff added to the game that requires money only. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(PSN)KainBethell Posted October 13, 2016 Author Share Posted October 13, 2016 9 minutes ago, SpeedOfLightPuncher said: Then they are just skins.... 1 hour ago, (PS4)KainBethell said: * Just to be clear these items would have the same stat values as there prime/unprimed counterparts, but would have different animations and design style, they would be items and not just skins, but wouldn’t necessarily have to give mastery points * If you wish to define them as just skins then yes they are just a skins, but a new skins that would have its own frame that the skins was the default for and won't be able to change to the normal one just the deluxe and tennogen skin would be equitable 5 minutes ago, Glitch_Kitten said: more people =/= better quality also that's really, really poor reasoning. de isnt some indie company, they're relatively large, they don't NEED the money, the prime access and prime unvaulting is a much, much, much better way of them boosting sales, rather than selling reskins that count as different weapons. There's literally no point to having an 'alpha' range, because they're literally just skins with no added benefits other than 'i spent money on this game haha look at me guys im cool' I'm sorry you feel that way about my idea Glitch_Kitten but thank you for your input on the subject Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chaotea Posted October 13, 2016 Share Posted October 13, 2016 What your describing sound like premium skins, but ones that would take up a new load-out slot. I dont think that would work. Though the way your text is worded makes it hard to understand what exactly your trying to propose. Remember that some premium skins do have separate animations and design styles (like the nova one). I think instead of what youve proposed, they should add a more 'elite' category on the Tennogen steam workshop were people can submit much more high quality, more advanced skins / models. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(PSN)B0XMAN517 Posted October 13, 2016 Share Posted October 13, 2016 No. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sar.K.Asmus Posted October 13, 2016 Share Posted October 13, 2016 The only thing i pay for in MMO's is progression. The only progression i see in Warframe is the amount of mods you have and the rank of the mods. Therefore no, i wouldn't pay for weapons. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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