Why is valkyr backstory with Allen V

[Decaying_Dreamer]

why is her backstory with him and not the grineer and here is my reasoning and ideas for a change

1. her prime has the same abilities as her normal self.

2 stat wise she lost 100 armor and 50 energy from her prime self.

-with points 1 and 2 that means Allen V did nothing to improve her at all

3. her coloring is more grineer than corpus in nature 

4 her abilities are similar to grineer her 1 is like the scorpions and claws like the manics

 

so an idea for a new lore which fits with the stats and appearance could be done. like if Vor found this warframe broken in an orokin ruin, they took it and repaired it and used what they learned from it to augment their troops after a while Vor made a deal with Allen V, to study her and figure out how to do transference but when we as tenno inter up this and end up stealing her.

these are just ideas thank you for your time.

ps i know my writing skills suck  

[Firetempest]

1 minute ago, Lasarah said:

Vor made a deal with Allen V

Stop it right there.

[Gelkor]

1 minute ago, Firetempest said:

Stop it right there.

I stopped at Allen.

Edited December 15, 2016 by Gelkor

[Xiusa]

She's not manufactured by the Corpus to begin with though. They just found her

also I can only think of Tim Allen when you say Allen V

Edited December 15, 2016 by Xiusa

[Ny_Soro]

1. Because the lore of Valkyr was always with Corpus. Nothing will change.

2. Who cares?

3. Saying her color scheme is more grineer is like saying All Warframes have a color scheme close to grineer.

The lore behind valkyr is that she is a frame that has been experimented on. Broken and battered is why she obtained her deadly and bloodthirsty attitude. 

 

Btw... Alad V

[xX_JohnWick2007_Xx]

Alan*

[morningstar999]

because reasons. 

and salad face wants to make zanukas from warfames and she's a good fit. 

[JShield]

Alad V.

[(XBOX)Tanta Cinta]

2 minutes ago, Lasarah said:

her coloring is more grineer than corpus in nature 

I'd have to respectfully disagree. Valkyr is orange and black. I don't think the Grineer would institute such a creation of absurd coloring since they are a military that employs its troops with camouflage gear according to the tileset.

[morningstar999]

7 minutes ago, Xiusa said:

also I can only think of Tim Allen when you say Allen V

this would be amazing and bad all at the same time. 

[SolaireTheSunWalker]

1 hour ago, Lasarah said:

why is her backstory with him and not the grineer and here is my reasoning and ideas for a change

1. her prime has the same abilities as her normal self.

2 stat wise she lost 100 armor and 50 energy from her prime self.

-with points 1 and 2 that means Allen V did nothing to improve her at all

3. her coloring is more grineer than corpus in nature 

4 her abilities are similar to grineer her 1 is like the scorpions and claws like the manics

 

so an idea for a new lore which fits with the stats and appearance could be done. like if Vor found this warframe broken in an orokin ruin, they took it and repaired it and used what they learned from it to augment their troops after a while Vor made a deal with Allen V, to study her and figure out how to do transference but when we as tenno inter up this and end up stealing her.

these are just ideas thank you for your time.

ps i know my writing skills suck  

Why new lore though? The old Lore fits perfectly into the game 

Edited December 16, 2016 by SolaireTheSunWalker

[Qianna]

11 minutes ago, Nowe999 said:

1. Because the lore of Valkyr was always with Corpus. Nothing will change.

2. Who cares?

3. Saying her color scheme is more grineer is like saying All Warframes have a color scheme close to grineer.

The lore behind valkyr is that she is a frame that has been experimented on. Broken and battered is why she obtained her deadly and bloodthirsty attitude. 

 

Btw... Alad V

If her abilities by nature derive from her suffering, it's even less reasonable for Valkyr Prime to have the same set of abilities as it's inferior version.

[(PSN)robotwars7]

1. all frames are like this: the Prime version is the original, crafted by the Orokin and dating back to the Old War. vanilla (non-primed) versions are newer and made using more common materials. all the function, but none of the class.

2. before the Experiments, she was Gersemi Valkyr (her Deluxe Skin), which was the original non-prime version. those are the stats that she had to begin with, Alad V didn't tweak those.

3. Alad was not attempting to improve Valkyr, he simply wanted to toy and experiment with her and see what happened. then when he was done, he would try to either add her parts to Zanuka, or sell her to the highest bidder for a Profit. before he could do either, she escaped.

4. her aqua colour is sort of reminiscent of the armour worn by Lancers, but Orange is actually more of a Corpus colour, with Techs and much of the Jupiter Tileset emblazoned with Orange.

5. she does have a slight resemblance to a Scorpion or Manic in terms of abilities, but again, this was really just the result of Alad Experimenting on her.

Vor also has nothing to do with Alad V: Vor wants the Tenno eradicated completely. he would not let any Corpus take the frame for themselves because the Grineer know how big a threat a Tenno can be.

[Ny_Soro]

Just now, Qianna said:

If her abilities by nature derive from her suffering, it's even less reasonable for Valkyr Prime to have the same set of abilities as it's inferior version.

Very true. At the current moment, however; there is a whole other topic on the primes iteration on the lore itself. This thread focuses mainly on her original form. It's why I never mentioned her prime.

[LABAL]

Here's some really uninspired crude piece of thing: 

[BaIthazar]

26 minutes ago, Lasarah said:

1. her prime has the same abilities as her normal self.

2 stat wise she lost 100 armor and 50 energy from her prime self.

-with points 1 and 2 that means Allen V did nothing to improve her at all

3. her coloring is more grineer than corpus in nature 

4 her abilities are similar to grineer her 1 is like the scorpions and claws like the manics

1. thats more because DE wrote themselves into a corner with her lore, nothing else.

2.Salad double-u experimented on her, nothing in her lore states that he ever attempted to improve her, and even if he did, corpus and grineer don't know enough about warframes to improve anything about them, the slightest tweak can downgrade a frame.

3. her coloring is mostly orange, I've seen more orange on Moas than on grineer.

4. technically chronologically speaking scorpions and manics are more like her, not the other way around :P

Edited December 16, 2016 by BaIthazar

[Qianna]

Just now, Nowe999 said:

Very true. At the current moment, however; there is a whole other topic on the primes iteration on the lore itself. This thread focuses mainly on her original form. It's why I never mentioned her prime.

Her original form IS the Prime version. It is the Gersemi one that has been built by the Tenno (or whoever). It doesn't matter, though, since neither were subjects of experiments, and hence should not posses the same abilities as the "regular" version.
Gameplay-wise that would be unreasonable, but as far as lore goes - this is as logical it can get, IMHO.

[NinthAria]

2 minutes ago, Qianna said:

Her original form IS the Prime version. It is the Gersemi one that has been built by the Tenno (or whoever). It doesn't matter, though, since neither were subjects of experiments, and hence should not posses the same abilities as the "regular" version.
Gameplay-wise that would be unreasonable, but as far as lore goes - this is as logical it can get, IMHO.

Mad science isn't the only cause of torment in the galaxy. It's wholly possible Valkyr Prime's abilities were inspired by something else; the Orokin did fight a war that spanned their entire empire, after all.

On topic though: I really don't think a rewrite is necessary here. Let alone based on the reasons presented in the opening post.

[PaintedWolf]

This is incorrect on a few different reasons and Valkyr's lore is far from needing a rewrite. I think you need to read a bit more about the game's lore so you can understand what was actually going on here. :3

• It's the other way around; the vanilla Valkyr came after the prime lore-wise. Primes are the originals (and are of Orokin origin, which pre-dates current time) and were more or less lost in time. SO, the regular is the downgrade. It makes sense, though, and you can just read what was previously said to understand why. These downgraded versions were very likely made out of less-expensive, very common materials that were scavenged. Even so, the Gersemi is the true "original" Valkyr that still came after the Orokin (Prime) version.
• Alad V never meant to improve Valkyr in the first place. He was curious to see what the "insides of a Tenno" looked like, and then there's Zanuka. Valkyr was likely just meant to be another addition to Alad's little Tenno pet.
• I see more orange and black (or dark grey) on Moas and Techs than I do on... What Grineer even has orange on it?
• The abilities may be similar, but that doesn't mean it should have anything to do with Grineer. With the above in mind, it is likely that Scorpions and Manics were more like Valkyr than the other way around since the frame's idea itself seems like it may be older than both of those enemy types (for this, as far as I know, we can only assume it is older until we know more about the lore regarding the Orokin and what exactly they were up against). Also with the above in mind, there is too much lore backing Valkyr's history with Corpus that it would be ridiculous to change the lore based on this alone.

[Valiant]

46 minutes ago, Firetempest said:

Stop it right there.

 

44 minutes ago, Gelkor said:

I stopped at Allen.

 

Edited December 16, 2016 by Naith

[GrimAtrament]

who in the name of the lotus is Allen V?

 

alad's long lost brother?

 

 

also valkyr abilities are the same because GAMEPLAY REASONS!!

 

name 1 prime with a different ability set then the normal one 

[-YoHei-Mercenary-EN-]

38 minutes ago, Jbob98 said:

Alad V.

sAlad V will more better.

[Leviathan-the-Envious]

The coloring argument is moot because Grineer and Corpus share a common color scheme anyway. Compare MOA and Shockwave MOA to Lancers and Troopers. This doesn't count terrestrial variants of the Grineer, Kuva, or Nightwatch, of course.

[-HAKUNA-YOUR-TATAS-]

Anyone else feel that DE needs to introduce Allen V now?

[SolaireTheSunWalker]

12 minutes ago, sushidubya said:

Anyone else feel that DE needs to introduce Allen V now?

It'll be Clem all over again