Did Valkyr Prime's trailer just confirm the sentience of warframes?

[Eldnacpeek]

3 hours ago, Wolfsfang202 said:

they only need a gene sample from a single decently high ranking orokin to restart the entire solar rail network (according to an imprint, i fail to remember which one)

 

Guardsman

[ArchPhaeton]

I do hate how long they take to tell us exactly what we are.

[Levenna]

2 minutes ago, aligatorno said:

It seems that they add a Sentient's arm in machine at the very beginning.

thats completely ignoring my point.

How did they get the sentient arm to begin with.

[Levenna]

1 minute ago, LazerSkink said:

 

Guardsman

thats the one

[aligatorno]

Just now, Wolfsfang202 said:

thats completely ignoring my point.

How did they get the sentient arm to begin with.

Lua. 

[Ninjadeath721]

4 hours ago, Wolfsfang202 said:

thats completely ignoring my point.

How did they get the sentient arm to begin with.

it's possible a tenno broke it off then they took it before the sentient could get it back

[Serafim_94]

4 minutes ago, Wolfsfang202 said:

thats completely ignoring my point.

How did they get the sentient arm to begin with.

There are Sentient derelicts left here and there after war. Greneer openly study them on Uranus. There are wrecks on Earth. There's Lua where drones operate directly. And since Corpus scavenge a lot for ancient technology, they were pretty much bound to find something.

[Levenna]

3 minutes ago, aligatorno said:

Lua. 

again completely missing my point.. how did they get the arm from the sentient itself -_-

2 minutes ago, Ninjadeath721 said:

it's possible a tenno broke it off then they took it before the sentient could get it back

This is possible. but then you would have to consider why the tenno or sentient wouldn't annihilate the corpus that took it

[Levenna]

Just now, Serafim_94 said:

There are Sentient derelicts left here and there after war. Greneer openly study them on Uranus. There are wrecks on Earth. There's Lua where drones operate directly. And since Corpus scavenge a lot for ancient technology, they were pretty much bound to find something.

Yeah thats true, they may have found an old battlefield from the Old War

[aligatorno]

Just now, Wolfsfang202 said:

again completely missing my point.. how did they get the arm from the sentient itself -_-

This is possible. but then you would have to consider why the tenno or sentient wouldn't annihilate the corpus that took it

Sentients are powerful, yes, but don't forget that the Corpus go to lua in mass. It's not really unbelievable to imagine that they could corner a sentient and finish him off. 

[Levenna]

Just now, aligatorno said:

It's not really unbelievable to imagine that they could corner a sentient and finish him off. 

you have fought a sentient before yes? you have seen their truly ridiculous AoE before, right? and thats against Tenno, which are substantially tougher than your average corpus..

 

Well actually the corpus coulda roped in John Prodman to get it for them..

[redeyedtreefrog]

I'm not sure that this trailer really "confirms" that warframes are sentient, as it is, in my opinion, a less compelling piece of evidence than the ending scene of the second dream. It seems to me as if it's just another piece of evidence to add to the pile that DE has given us on the origins of warframes.

I'm more interested in how the corpus got what appears to be an active piece of a sentient. When they're setting up that giant gun, a corpus appears to open up a battery port, but instead of a battery, he inserts what looks like a tiny bone of a sentient. How did the corpus figure out how to integrate sentients into their technology? How did the corpus even GET sentient parts? This video definitely raises more questions than it answers.

[-Platinum-]

17 minutes ago, Ninjadeath721 said:

yeah we should be pretty concerned if the corpus are messing with the sentiments, also if i'm correct they appear to be messing with a conculyst.

 

Exactly this, was talking about this before, new weapon the corpus are making, against the Tenno?, tho I just noticed, if you look REALLY closely at the power cell, the dude puts in, it's looks like a min-sentient

[Myscho]

2 minutes ago, -Platinum- said:

Exactly this, was talking about this before, new weapon the corpus are making, against the Tenno?, tho I just noticed, if you look REALLY closely at the power cell, the dude puts in, it's looks like a min-sentient

Maybe its Sentient spark which was mentioned in one Devstream together with new sentient enemy type - spark carrier

[-Platinum-]

Just now, Myscho said:

Maybe its Sentient spark which was mentioned in one Devstream together with new sentient enemy type - spark carrier

Perhaps, that will make a lot of sense, tho I wonder what the weapon really does to us, cuz looking in the trailer, it looked like it was, well..torturing the Tenno, inside the frame. (Or frame itself, that people assume it's not teamed)

[Blakrana]

28 minutes ago, Katinka said:

Yeah, it sounds like the Tenno have tamed the wild Warframes but I guess it is possible that it is supposed to be "Tenno, tamed - but only just" which would change the subject to the Tenno rather than the Warframes.

What concerned me from that video was the Corpus device that uses projections of Sentients to disable a Warframe.  What are those guys messing with?

26 minutes ago, aligatorno said:

He seeemed to have put a sentient arm in it, it's probably  a device that extracts its power. 

Regarding the object, it appears to be a Sentient 'core' in the container they jam in. Whilst the question 'How'd they get that?!' remains, it's certainly more portable than an arm.

Either they've got some elite, Corpus black ops unit able to hijack these cores on Lua...or it's not just the Grineer involved in some tomb raiding. If the Corpus found say, an Orokin repository of slain Sentient fighters, perhaps an old research facility (Know your enemy etc)...this could explain where they get their Nullifier tech from. Could.

Alternatively this is a new unrelated reason to begrudge running with the Corpus per all the CC and what have you.

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As for the 'Confirm'...Being pedantic it doesn't outright state, but it does heavily imply something. Now...due to the consistent emphasis on the animal, the bestial, then in most cases that's actually an accurate employment of sentient, for we recognise animals as sentient; cats, dogs, monkeys, younger siblings. What distinguishes us from animals is that we're sapient as well as sentient. We have selves, identities, beyond our capacity to feel and respond.

The problem really comes down to just how poetic Ballas is being. He's speaking metaphorically right out of the gate, so it may well be that all he says are projections he mantles upon the Warframes, like we wax lyrical about objects in this day and age. Furthermore as Katinka rightly notes, if the phrasing of 'Tenno tamed...but only just' is meant to be 'Tenno, tamed...but only just' then it shifts the subject matter away from the Warframes, which then makes the following point arguably about how the Tenno are treated.

It's an interesting question, all weighed up on where you place a comma.

[Serafim_94]

2 minutes ago, -Platinum- said:

Perhaps, that will make a lot of sense, tho I wonder what the weapon really does to us, cuz looking in the trailer, it looked like it was, well..torturing the Tenno, inside the frame. (Or frame itself, that people assume it's not teamed)

You know, that's actually interesting. Assuming this happens before tenno's first awakening, just how many free warframes were running around out there all this time? Is that how Corpus got their hands on Valkyr?

[(PSN)TertulSee]

28 minutes ago, Wolfsfang202 said:

another question is how did the corpus even get any sentient technology? hell a pair of sentient fighters can be a challenge for any tenno (except a trinity that waves her hand in their general direction and shoots them with a tigris.) so how could the Corpus get a hold of it?

Umm... didn't the Corpus create the Sentients in the first place. 

[DatDarkOne]

49 minutes ago, Zanoza-chan said:

We had enough clues for both their sentience and infested nature.
1) specters maybe are just uncontrolled warframes
2) Second Dream spoiler alert

  Reveal hidden contents

warframe releases from Hunhow's blade itself... and we can see the bloody parts under the metal armor inside the wound

3) War Within spoiler alert

  Reveal hidden contents

"control the Golden Maw like a warframe" - sounds like warframes can have their own will, becuz the Golden Maw definetly has it

4) Helminth saying interesting things... and after that many of infested boss' replicas become more clear

5) another spoiler alert

  Reveal hidden contents

Chroma saying "all hush and empty in a womb of the sky" - sounds like his Operator died for some reason, and Chroma left uncontrolled

6) Silver Grove spoiler alert

  Reveal hidden contents

Silvana was the greatest Infestation specialist... and she was brought to work on Titania

and more, and more

All of this leads one to think that the Warframes are very similar to the Guyver Units.  Meaning that they have semi-sentience or limited sentience. 

P.S.  Did anyone else notice the Fan Service provided in the opening scene?  Totally reminds me of Quiette Shy's Valkyr Prime video.  hehe

[Levenna]

1 minute ago, (PS4)godlysparta said:

Umm... didn't the Corpus create the Sentients in the first place. 

lol nope, not in a million years.

Where did you get that from?

[aligatorno]

8 minutes ago, Blakrana said:

. Furthermore as Katinka rightly notes, if the phrasing of 'Tenno tamed...but only just' is meant to be 'Tenno, tamed...but only just' then it shifts the subject matter away from the Warframes, which then makes the following point arguably about how the Tenno are treated.

It's an interesting question, all weighed up on where you place a comma.

Lovely and well thought response. :) 

Regarding the Tenno tamed part. While in text can be very ambigous, especially without official punctuation, the way it is said can be really important in deciding what exactly is meant. As we all know, we can say a lot of different things with the same exact words but different , I can't remember the exact words in English, intonation and emphasis. 

At least in the trailer, it sounded to me as he was refering to the warframes rather than the tenno themselves. But this as well may be subjective. 

Edited March 12, 2017 by aligatorno

[Dewsitine]

The Sentient broke off its arm when it met John Prodman's gaze to hopefully be forgiven for the intrusion. It did not wish to fight a battle which could not be fought at all.

On topic: I always thought that the warframes were some what aware. As some people before stated with the Rhino's lore, that "monster" is most likely a prototype for the Rhino frame. The frames we have now are the final finished products. The Orokin could have left the warframe with some of its intelligence intact to allow a backup system that gets rid of whatever is interfering with the main system. I think the orokin did whatever to make ordis obedient and forget his memory, applied it in some shape and form to the warframe to where it would be subservient to the operator. Though, I think it would become the main system if it is left alone for a long time allowing it to grow its intelligence.

In the trailer, I think the frame itself took the main controls while the signal was being blocked and activated val's ulti as a fail safe mechanism to allow the main system,operator, back online. Basically it "woke up" when the transference signal was being blocked or hindered to a severe degree that one of its primary functions was to protect itself and/or get the signal back online which was done by activating Val's ult as she is immune while that ability is activated.

[SilvaDreams]

30 minutes ago, Serafim_94 said:

Prototype, if you will. I agree it wasn't modern day warframe. But it definitely was their direct ancestor.

Well as much of a "prototype" for the rhino warframe was as the cockle-burs were for Velcro was.

Basically they just took what was already formed naturally and ran with it.

[(PSN)BlitzKeir]

As far as I'm concerned, TSD and TSG were proof that frames are autonomous entities. As for sapience...? Maybe. I'm not sold on that. Titania's actions could have just been instinct, or the result of whats-her-face's imprint. Think of it as a sort of identity-crisis on Titania's part. I'm really hoping the abuses we heap on our own frames are addressed in future quests. If they are sentient, then we're no better than the Orokin.

This might interest you all. The original script for TWW includes...

Spoiler

...a bit of dialogue between Teshin and the player. I'm paraphrasing, but this is almost exactly what was said.

Player: "What exactly is an Umbra?"
Teshin: "A fury unbound from Tenno control. A rogue Warframe."

This may no longer be canon. Its removal from the script was likely due to either A) the feature being pushed out of U19, or B) a change in what the writers want from that concept. (Although mechanically I don't see how that would work.) If this remains canon, it is final and indisputable proof of frames' autonomy.

But still not necessarily their sentience. The strongest case for that, in my opinion, is the Ancient Healer synthesis entry. Rail Specters can't be considered strong evidence of sentience, for the same reason as Titania in TSG. But in the synth entry, that frame isn't performing a simple programmed routine. It is actively hunting, presumably with no Tenno operator. (One could make the case that Tenno did not enter cryosleep immediately after the Slaughter at the Terminus, but instead hunted down Orokin generals until none remained to pilot their ships or reestablish infrastructure -- which, while utterly badass, is pure speculation.)

[Levenna]

1 minute ago, Dewsitine said:

The Sentient broke off its arm when it met John Prodman's gaze to hopefully be forgiven for the intrusion. It did not wish to fight a battle which could not be fought at all

for he is the man.. the legend..