Jangkrik Posted August 23, 2017 Share Posted August 23, 2017 (edited) 1 hour ago, (PS4)Joshhwwaaaaaa said: If you want to get into that feel free to use this resource: https://forums.warframe.com/topic/353968-limbo-good-or-bad/ 55 minutes ago, (PS4)Joshhwwaaaaaa said: To counter your productive and well thought out argument: yes. lol. "Resource" from almost 3 years ago when he was literally useless also seems like a very productive and well thought out argument. Also, like others have pointed out, the problem is with the players. I can spam bounce pads everywhere with Vauban, making the mission a living nightmare. Should we remove Vauban too? Edited August 23, 2017 by Jangkrik Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jobistober Posted August 23, 2017 Share Posted August 23, 2017 Limbo feedback should focus on tweaking Stasis, not removing him altogether. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bad4youLT Posted August 23, 2017 Share Posted August 23, 2017 no , just no , I know limbo has nich uses , not everyone can Limbo , I loved limbo before rework ecouse hes very specific howd to playd and now after rework hes even more amazing , we dont have an amazing frame like Limbo I mean name a frame what can easily protect a target/point while at the same time perma lock enemys and easily dispatch when . Dont hate on Limbo just becouse some people cant Limbo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jangkrik Posted August 23, 2017 Share Posted August 23, 2017 Just now, Jobistober said: Limbo feedback should focus on tweaking Stasis, not removing him altogether. Agree, and maybe making the allies actually able to do the mission without being hampered by the Limbo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marthrym Posted August 23, 2017 Share Posted August 23, 2017 You're not really helping your case OP. I mean you say "remove Limbo", people ask why, you answer "because I said so", and when they ask for real, sound arguments... you troll. Kinda like some players out there troll with Limbo. See the irony here? Propose something realistic instead. A change to Stasis' mechanics for instance. People wil probably be more receptive to that. Limbo is not going anywhere, a petition won't change that. Especially one that I doubt will get much traction. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Etriia Posted August 23, 2017 Share Posted August 23, 2017 The only problem with him is how his 2 affects allied projectiles. He's fine otherwise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VoidWraith Posted August 23, 2017 Share Posted August 23, 2017 With that logic, any Warframe with trolling abilities should be removed... Loki (switch teleport)... Nova (wormhole). Heck even Frost can be a troll with snowglobe. I don't mind Limbo. If you have a problem with a player who is abusing it in a trolling way, just record it and report it. Since you have recorded it, it should also show any voice chat or messages you tried to communicate with the player in the party. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DEADSHOT456 Posted August 23, 2017 Share Posted August 23, 2017 12 minutes ago, (PS4)Joshhwwaaaaaa said: My response to you is... no. Eh, don't exactly care for your response. You should go play the Second Dream quest so you can come out of your dream... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(PSN)Joshhwwaaaaaa Posted August 23, 2017 Author Share Posted August 23, 2017 8 minutes ago, Jangkrik said: "Resource" from almost 3 years ago when he was literally useless also seems like a very productive and well thought out argument. Also, like others have pointed out, the problem is with the players. I can spam bounce pads everywhere with Vauban, making the mission a living nightmare. Should we remove Vauban too? Yes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(PSN)Joshhwwaaaaaa Posted August 23, 2017 Author Share Posted August 23, 2017 6 minutes ago, Marthrym said: You're not really helping your case OP. I mean you say "remove Limbo", people ask why, you answer "because I said so", and when they ask for real, sound arguments... you troll. Kinda like some players out there troll with Limbo. See the irony here? Propose something realistic instead. A change to Stasis' mechanics for instance. People wil probably be more receptive to that. Limbo is not going anywhere, a petition won't change that. Especially one that I doubt will get much traction. No. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(PSN)joshw1400 Posted August 23, 2017 Share Posted August 23, 2017 You can't remove a Warframe if it's in another dimension ;) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VoidWraith Posted August 23, 2017 Share Posted August 23, 2017 1 minute ago, (PS4)Joshhwwaaaaaa said: No. Funny how this is posted on the feedbacks section of the forum, yet you aren't really contributing to anything constructive. This is also starting to delve into the direction of trolling. Although you did leave a link in the beginning, of where the actual debate/argument of the thread is, and having stated that you are not getting into it. You are essentially opening this thread to flame or troll... while it may or may not be your intention... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(PSN)Joshhwwaaaaaa Posted August 23, 2017 Author Share Posted August 23, 2017 Just now, (PS4)joshw1400 said: You can't remove a Warframe if it's in another dimension ;) You sir. You get it. Here's your gold star: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koldraxon-732 Posted August 23, 2017 Share Posted August 23, 2017 The real problem with Limbo is his Stasis, nothing else. Even Powers can bypass the Rift, and melees can compensate -exempting throwable ones or gunblades due to projectile-forms- if you really want to kill things yourself. The additional problem is how will other Tenno, in the Rift, be able to toggle their bullets out of the timefreeze? The only suggestion I can give is a 'hold reload' option. This way Limbo's Stasis - the real trolling - is eliminated. Limbo himself need not be erased. I use his 2 + 4 on Sortie Mobile Defense missions because Frost's snowglobes only last 5 seconds against Sortie-level firepower. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(PSN)Joshhwwaaaaaa Posted August 23, 2017 Author Share Posted August 23, 2017 2 minutes ago, VoidWraith said: Funny how this is posted on the feedbacks section of the forum, yet you aren't really contributing to anything constructive. This is also starting to delve into the direction of trolling. Although you did leave a link in the beginning, of where the actual debate/argument of the thread is, and having stated that you are not getting into it. You are essentially opening this thread to flame or troll... while it may or may not be your intention... Nooo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VoidWraith Posted August 23, 2017 Share Posted August 23, 2017 1 minute ago, Koldraxon-732 said: The real problem with Limbo is his Stasis, nothing else. Even Powers can bypass the Rift, and melees can compensate -exempting throwable ones or gunblades due to projectile-forms- if you really want to kill things yourself. The additional problem is how will other Tenno, in the Rift, be able to toggle their bullets out of the timefreeze? The only suggestion I can give is a 'hold reload' option. This way Limbo's Stasis - the real trolling - is eliminated. Limbo himself need not be erased. I use his 2 + 4 on Sortie Mobile Defense missions because Frost's snowglobes only last 5 seconds against Sortie-level firepower. does mag's 2 counteract with Limbo's 4? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koldraxon-732 Posted August 23, 2017 Share Posted August 23, 2017 Just now, VoidWraith said: does mag's 2 counteract with Limbo's 4? Limbo's 4 is the Rift itself. Non-Power projectiles coming from outside are not Rifted. This means you need to go into the rift and set off your shots and then leave the rift. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(PSN)theelix Posted August 23, 2017 Share Posted August 23, 2017 21 minutes ago, Faulcun said: Its not always that simple, and thats a very specific circumstance. See, the real problem is players didnt ask to randomly be placed into that situation. The effect that it has on other players borderlines as an enemy ability because of how drastically you have to change your current playstyle because of something completely out of your control. Its like a nullifier bubble except it affects two of your weapons, instead of your powers. That is a bad situation even if it is coming from your own team, regardless of how a player can compensate for it. This is a wholly underrated post. And not only that, but... When there are two Limbos and they start doing things like infringing and stopping spawns because they suck and use Stasis all the time and you can't convince them to stop sucking or use shadow clone jutsu to overcome their suck with your nindo and they ruin your fissure runs because not enough enemies can spawn it's a problem with the FRAME, not the people who use it. The FRAME shouldn't have the ability to enforce spawns in such a way. Or when they banish things and you don't happen to have a powerful enough direct damage ability. You're stuck being completely unable to do anything. I'm on both sides of the argument, at this point. I accept Limbo as being a valuable team asset, but also it's rare you get someone who isn't an idiot, spamming Stasis or Banish at times when it's inappropriate. It's too easy for anyone to pick up a Limbo and completely ruin a game experience. And right now, his entire kit depends on him using his abilities or else he doesn't have good survivability. Unless they can find a way for all frames and all team members to be included while playing with a Limbo team member, or a Limbo team member to play without being a lump of meat they should remove him from the list. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(PSN)Joshhwwaaaaaa Posted August 23, 2017 Author Share Posted August 23, 2017 1 minute ago, (PS4)theelix said: This is a wholly underrated post. And not only that, but... When there are two Limbos and they start doing things like infringing and stopping spawns because they suck and use Stasis all the time and you can't convince them to stop sucking or use shadow clone jutsu to overcome their suck with your nindo and they ruin your fissure runs because not enough enemies can spawn it's a problem with the FRAME, not the people who use it. The FRAME shouldn't have the ability to enforce spawns in such a way. Or when they banish things and you don't happen to have a powerful enough direct damage ability. You're stuck being completely unable to do anything. I'm on both sides of the argument, at this point. I accept Limbo as being a valuable team asset, but also it's rare you get someone who isn't an idiot, spamming Stasis or Banish at times when it's inappropriate. It's too easy for anyone to pick up a Limbo and completely ruin a game experience. And right now, his entire kit depends on him using his abilities or else he doesn't have good survivability. Unless they can find a way for all frames and all team members to be included while playing with a Limbo team member, or a Limbo team member to play without being a lump of meat they should remove him from the list. I like these comments. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skythin Posted August 23, 2017 Share Posted August 23, 2017 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koldraxon-732 Posted August 23, 2017 Share Posted August 23, 2017 1 minute ago, (PS4)theelix said: Two Limbos This reminds me. Multiple Limbos' Rifts and Rift-influencing abilities (Stasis) should not overlap eachother or interfere with each Limbo Rift instance. I had that happen once and it is messy. Too messy. For best use, only one Limbo per mission, or actual quick-messages explaining what you're going to do and why - cooperation via chat with >1 Limbo on the field is key. Given that, people need to 1: Keep an eye on chat more. and 2: Talk to the Limbo-users (i.e: ask if they could recast Stasis for doing so allows projectiles to traverse the gap between themselves and the enemy, or to cancel Stasis when the Rift isn't in use). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(PSN)theelix Posted August 23, 2017 Share Posted August 23, 2017 24 minutes ago, Jangkrik said: "Resource" from almost 3 years ago when he was literally useless also seems like a very productive and well thought out argument. Also, like others have pointed out, the problem is with the players. I can spam bounce pads everywhere with Vauban, making the mission a living nightmare. Should we remove Vauban too? Except it's not the same in any sense. If you're bounced it's not actually stopping you from shooting enemies. If the enemies are being bounced around they lay somewhere out on the floor, CC'd properly and perfectly engage-able from any range. Also, the ludicrous energy cost, the minimal range and effect of bouncepads and the fact that you can very easily avoid them make this a terrible example for your point. Having a Stasis Cataclysm cover everywhere sixty meters around you limits your options of play to two things. Damage ability or melee. Having vauban bounce pads on every surface just makes it a mildly annoying game of the floor is lava. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(PSN)Joshhwwaaaaaa Posted August 23, 2017 Author Share Posted August 23, 2017 3 minutes ago, Skythin said: Not bad. Not bad at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
O.O_ Posted August 23, 2017 Share Posted August 23, 2017 I want a big part of the "community" removed(especially geniuses like you)... but we can't have everything we wish for... grow up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(PSN)Joshhwwaaaaaa Posted August 23, 2017 Author Share Posted August 23, 2017 Just now, O.O_ said: I want a big part of the "community" removed(especially geniuses like you)... but we can't have everything we wish for... grow up. ... no... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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