Titania: Broken, Unplayable, Unusable and Ignored

[Eirshy]

6 hours ago, Maka.Bones said:

What are the primary weapon mods?

Probably something like:
Serration Split VArm HCal
Storm Hellfire Point Vital

I've personally never been a fan of HCal; swapping to PCryo wouldn't completely murder the damage output.

The bigger question is how many CP or is someone providing Shattering Impact to strip armor. Primary reason why the Lanka became somewhat of a meme for Eidolon hunts is because it its 280% Radiation with the same build (vs 180%), and radiation bypasses 75% armor and gets a 75% amp from Alloy armor (which is why technically you don't want to completely strip the armor with SI, but it's a bit of a pain to count your hits). Also the guy's probably exaggerating a little on the shot count, but it still would be very fast. The Dex Pixia is one of the few weapons that can reach an appreciable fraction of the Lanka's base damage. Full power strength build should net you somewhere north of 280%, so you're looking at >450 base damage (Lanka is 525).

[Maka.Bones]

3 hours ago, TheBlueJelly said:

Probably something like:
Serration Split VArm HCal
Storm Hellfire Point Vital

I've personally never been a fan of HCal; swapping to PCryo wouldn't completely murder the damage output.

The bigger question is how many CP or is someone providing Shattering Impact to strip armor. Primary reason why the Lanka became somewhat of a meme for Eidolon hunts is because it its 280% Radiation with the same build (vs 180%), and radiation bypasses 75% armor and gets a 75% amp from Alloy armor (which is why technically you don't want to completely strip the armor with SI, but it's a bit of a pain to count your hits). Also the guy's probably exaggerating a little on the shot count, but it still would be very fast. The Dex Pixia is one of the few weapons that can reach an appreciable fraction of the Lanka's base damage. Full power strength build should net you somewhere north of 280%, so you're looking at >450 base damage (Lanka is 525).

Ask your buddy to give you pics, or to post them on here. I'd love to be able to use my titania for dolon hunts. I keep trying to change my build, but it's still more efficient to use lanka/vectis

[Eirshy]

Just now, Maka.Bones said:

Ask your buddy to give you pics, or to post them on here. I'd love to be able to use my titania for dolon hunts. I keep trying to change my build, but it's still more efficient to use lanka/vectis

I'm not Jado lol, I'm just proficient in the mod system.
A more important aspect of Titania on eidolon hunting would be Spellbind's status immunity effect being able to block the screams' magnet procs. If you can manage both of these things at once then you cover two "roles", damage specialist and magnet block.

I'd personally suggest something along the lines of:

CP - PDrift
Intense Trans Redir NatTal
PCont Narrow Fleet RazorBlitz

Your 1 will be at 26.64s duration, so your break cycle is basically hit 4 -> hit 1 on everyone -> shoot limb -> hit 4 and get a zenny bubble or pizza to regen while eido screams -> repeat. Since you'll have a Trinity providing DR (most likely), Redirection becomes the best EHP increase (since it'll regen naturally if you don't take damage for a bit). You're at 200% power strength with RBlitz, so you'll break limbs damn fast almost regardless of your weapon's build. Obviously if you have someone running Shattering Impact (or you yourself are running it and plan to take out the armor between phases), you can drop CP for either Rifle Amp (boosts your damage) or Energy Siphon (extra energy regen while out of Razorwing). You could do GP as well but that adds an extra step to your cycle (shoot sonicor, most likely, since iirc you can still get impact procs from it on eidolons, they just resist the stagger) for a relatively small gain over Rifle Amp (around 5% iirc, been a bit). Does require someone else to be on shield duty, which means you can either run Madurai for the +25% damage or be the Zenurik for the energy regen.

[Maka.Bones]

3 minutes ago, TheBlueJelly said:

I'm not Jado lol, I'm just proficient in the mod system.
A more important aspect of Titania on eidolon hunting would be Spellbind's status immunity effect being able to block the screams' magnet procs. If you can manage both of these things at once then you cover two "roles", damage specialist and magnet block.

I'd personally suggest something along the lines of:

CP - PDrift
Intense Trans Redir NatTal
PCont Narrow Fleet RazorBlitz

Your 1 will be at 26.64s duration, so your break cycle is basically hit 4 -> hit 1 on everyone -> shoot limb -> hit 4 and get a zenny bubble or pizza to regen while eido screams -> repeat. Since you'll have a Trinity providing DR (most likely), Redirection becomes the best EHP increase (since it'll regen naturally if you don't take damage for a bit). You're at 200% power strength with RBlitz, so you'll break limbs damn fast almost regardless of your weapon's build. Obviously if you have someone running Shattering Impact (or you yourself are running it and plan to take out the armor between phases), you can drop CP for either Rifle Amp (boosts your damage) or Energy Siphon (extra energy regen while out of Razorwing). You could do GP as well but that adds an extra step to your cycle (shoot sonicor, most likely, since iirc you can still get impact procs from it on eidolons, they just resist the stagger) for a relatively small gain over Rifle Amp (around 5% iirc, been a bit). Does require someone else to be on shield duty, which means you can either run Madurai for the +25% damage or be the Zenurik for the energy regen.

What's a jado? and yeah, I try to keep up spellbind with titania. Its pretty great. But I haven't been able to take out a limb in "two shots" even with a full power str build. I usually need to unload a few magazines, in RW mode. 

Btw, you don't need to hit 1 on everyone if they're standing close to the the source of the buff... but then again, it is PoE lol

Edited March 13, 2018 by Maka.Bones

[Eirshy]

13 minutes ago, Maka.Bones said:

What's a jado? and yeah, I try to keep up spellbind with titania. Its pretty great. But I haven't been able to take out a limb in "two shots" even with a full power str build. I usually need to unload a few magazines, in RW mode. 

Btw, you don't need to hit 1 on everyone if they're standing close to the the source of the buff... but then again, it is PoE lol

Build is running Narrow Minded with no +range, so odds are good you're only ever gonna hit one person at a time (aoe sub 3m).

Jado is the guy you originally quoted. "Almighty_Jado" is his name. I have no idea what his friend's build is, I'm just going based on what I would build to optimize for what Jado claimed his friend was doing.

 

EDIT: Also honestly pretty sure you physically can't. My riven'd lanka takes 3-6 depending on orange and multishot rolls, as well as what buffs are usable. That's with a pure version of the best possible damage type and about 328% power strength worth of base damage. Assuming armor is fully stripped the build I suggested should be able to pop it in 1-2 clips, almost assuredly 1 clip if an Adarza is in play. Remember the Lanka has guaranteed crits (and a combo bonus).

Edited March 13, 2018 by TheBlueJelly

[Maka.Bones]

This is what I run with atm, but I don't use titania in a team yet.

 

Here's my weapon build: 

 

 

Edited March 13, 2018 by Maka.Bones

[Maka.Bones]

17 minutes ago, TheBlueJelly said:

Build is running Narrow Minded with no +range, so odds are good you're only ever gonna hit one person at a time (aoe sub 3m).

Jado is the guy you originally quoted. "Almighty_Jado" is his name. I have no idea what his friend's build is, I'm just going based on what I would build to optimize for what Jado claimed his friend was doing.

 

EDIT: Also honestly pretty sure you physically can't. My riven'd lanka takes 3-6 depending on orange and multishot rolls, as well as what buffs are usable. That's with a pure version of the best possible damage type and about 328% power strength worth of base damage. Assuming armor is fully stripped the build I suggested should be able to pop it in 1-2 clips, almost assuredly 1 clip if an Adarza is in play. Remember the Lanka has guaranteed crits (and a combo bonus).

Lanka + mediocre riven + volt shields should be able to 1-2 shot a limb. Vectis does it in a few more shots (still about the same time), but it's better for consistent dps if you're having trouble with hitboxes. 

Also my bad, Idk why I thought you were jado xD

Edited March 13, 2018 by Maka.Bones

[Maka.Bones]

On the subject of eidolon hunting, i'm pretty good... on using titania for dolons though... That's where I need schooling lol

@Almighty_Jado mind posting your friend's titania & weapon builds?

Edited March 13, 2018 by Maka.Bones

[Eirshy]

Clearly not "pretty good" if you're using Corrosive instead of Radiation lol

 

I do suggest dropping Blind Rage for Trans Fort and Primed Flow for Primed Cont still. The damage loss is relatively negligible and it'll make it a lot easier to do the buff thing- while also making you significantly less energy starved.

 

Oh, and that 3-6 is without relying on volt shields, because here in the Real World the Eidolon likes to turn around and we usually don't have a clear shot on the shoulder or bicep we need to shoot if we're hugging a volt shield. When the stars align I can one-shot them handily, sure- hell, I can do that with just an Adarza, a Rhino roar, and the Volt's Shock Trooper. But I'm usually on Zenny Trin and covering everything from respectable shield DPS to keeping the lures out of the bad. Generally a bit pre-ocupied to find the exact spot next to the eidolon's left nut the volt placed his shield shield so I can shoot the right shoulder through it by by curving my bullets around both the eidolon's body and the lures. Much faster to just take the extra few shots from a spot where I can for-sure land them- especially since the riven I have has +rof on it.

[Maka.Bones]

8 minutes ago, TheBlueJelly said:

Clearly not "pretty good" if you're using Corrosive instead of Radiation lol

 

I do suggest dropping Blind Rage for Trans Fort and Primed Flow for Primed Cont still. The damage loss is relatively negligible and it'll make it a lot easier to do the buff thing- while also making you significantly less energy starved.

 

Oh, and that 3-6 is without relying on volt shields, because here in the Real World the Eidolon likes to turn around and we usually don't have a clear shot on the shoulder or bicep we need to shoot if we're hugging a volt shield. When the stars align I can one-shot them handily, sure- hell, I can do that with just an Adarza, a Rhino roar, and the Volt's Shock Trooper. But I'm usually on Zenny Trin and covering everything from respectable shield DPS to keeping the lures out of the bad. Generally a bit pre-ocupied to find the exact spot next to the eidolon's left nut the volt placed his shield shield so I can shoot the right shoulder through it by by curving my bullets around both the eidolon's body and the lures. Much faster to just take the extra few shots from a spot where I can for-sure land them- especially since the riven I have has +rof on it.

Oh snap, yeah I usually use radiation x'D I had to switch out the rifle mods for another mish with titania. 

Edit: though dropping P flow, would only leave titania with  150 energy... that's not a good tank of gas, I don't think... I would be less energy starved from having 375 energy, and spellbind costing 21 energy (so -84 energy initially). Than from having 150 energy, and losing -84 energy.... and lets say that I even switched out P. Flow, for streamline. Then spellbind would cost 15 energy, so that's -60 initial cost, from my total of 150.... oof. 

Edited March 13, 2018 by Maka.Bones

[Maka.Bones]

Volt should place a plethra of shields, so you have options... at different distance intervals. Volt should also contribute in shooting the limb, and ofc he should have his own shield.

[Eirshy]

2 hours ago, Maka.Bones said:

Oh snap, yeah I usually use radiation x'D I had to switch out the rifle mods for another mish with titania. 

Edit: though dropping P flow, would only leave titania with  150 energy... that's not a good tank of gas, I don't think... I would be less energy starved from having 375 energy, and spellbind costing 21 energy (so -84 energy initially). Than from having 150 energy, and losing -84 energy.... and lets say that I even switched out P. Flow, for streamline. Then spellbind would cost 15 energy, so that's -60 initial cost, from my total of 150.... oof. 

If you drop Blind Rage for Trans Fort, you're at 60% efficiency; 60% eff with +60% duration or so (which Trans + Fleet + PCont + Narrow nets) is enough to minimize drain to 1.25/s. 1 and the buy-in on 4 are both at 10, so you're at 50 + 1.25/s. You'll generally spend around 65 to 80 energy per "cycle" with the strat I suggested, needing 13-16s of Zenurik to sustain. KD+Screams should get you 13-15s downtime even with a really fast shield break group. Go in with a full 150 in the tank and you should be fine till the Void Strike runs out, and you need under one pizza pulse to do a single phase.

Edited March 13, 2018 by TheBlueJelly
phrasing

[Maka.Bones]

2 hours ago, TheBlueJelly said:

If you drop Blind Rage for Trans Fort, you're at 60% efficiency; 60% eff with +60% duration or so (which Trans + Fleet + PCont + Narrow nets) is enough to minimize drain to 1.25/s. 1 and the buy-in on 4 are both at 10, so you're at 50 + 1.25/s. You'll generally spend around 65 to 80 energy per "cycle" with the strat I suggested, needing 13-16s of Zenurik to sustain. KD+Screams should get you 13-15s downtime even with a really fast shield break group. Go in with a full 150 in the tank and you should be fine till the Void Strike runs out, and you need under one pizza pulse to do a single phase.

If i'm gonna use pizzas, might as well use both trans fort, and blind rage... I might actually do that as well.

Honestly, I think it's a personal preference thing

Edited March 14, 2018 by Maka.Bones

[(PSN)ForNoPurpose]

1: perma gone sentinal doesnt affect my game, but they should apply "pet" mods to her Razorflys.

2: her 1 and 3 need to be combined into one. give her the ability to send out her Razorflys at will as her new one (with identical behavior to how they currently deploy in her 4)

3: she is a DPS monster. even with mostly useless abilities her 4 allows her to burn down tough enemies insanely well. my own builds for her can stay in flight mode for quite a while and pump out 11k damage per round at Soma Firerates. did i mention that is with decent punchthrough?

[TangyBlueBerry]

On 3/9/2018 at 12:43 PM, Thaylien said:

This means that Entangle, the strongest part of this, the slow on enemies, is only a base-range of 10m around Titania, or sometimes 14.5m if you've put on a Stretch. Which is useless, let's be honest, how many times with Titania are you within 10m of an enemy when you have one of the best hitscan primary weapons in the game at your disposal?

All of her buffs are unaffected by any of her stats. Their duration is unaffected by duration mods, their properties by strength, their range by range mods, nothing. Nothing affects them so why bother modding for range when it only affects her 1 and 3?

[megamino]

Agree with @ObviousLee

Other than tribute hitting 3 enemies, all of her skills are fun. I just played her here this morning for ranking her up and her 4th skill are amazingly fun. Also still giving you only 4 stack if it can hit 3 targets at the same time is kinda meh instead can buffed up unto 10 stacks but each tribute buff are nerfed to match the stack combination. Also interesting note that i haven't take her into PoE but sure that when she is going 4th she is going archwing mode without archwing summon item. Which is obviously targeted by some turret that design to kill aired element. For now, if you are complaining about casting animation, there is a mod for that, I just use that on my titania and she is saying "here you go master" and i am so happy.

again, I am not playing her so long enough to comment but for my first impression, she is pretty much great to bring in any mission, and also turrets are not everywhere, you just have to cancel 4th when in grineer camp and pop 4th again when you away. unfortunately what i want is when you go 4th, we can have another skill set for her 4th, same like equinox with 1st skill that can toggle from his day aspect skill to night aspect skill, so we can have grounded titania skill and archwing style titania skill. That's what i want from her rather than same skill which for me harder to cast when you are airborne.

 

Update: freak, i forgot that there is multiple page for this thread, just seen the first page only LOL

Edited March 14, 2018 by yupangestu93

[Wolfchild07]

Spellbind needs to affect her regardless of how far away from the casting area she is.

Lantern has the issue of not just flying off into space, but also, her own razorflies attack it as it's still an enemy.

[Almighty_Jado]

18 hours ago, Maka.Bones said:

On the subject of eidolon hunting, i'm pretty good... on using titania for dolons though... That's where I need schooling lol

@Almighty_Jado mind posting your friend's titania & weapon builds?

I'll see if I can get him to send screenshots. I know his Titania build is pretty much 299% power strength, since we always have to throw a bunch of Pizzas at him so he shoot up the limbs. As for weapon builds, I'm not sure, I'll have to try and see. I seem to recall him using a Riven in his weapon, however. Will let you know

[Eirshy]

33 minutes ago, Almighty_Jado said:

I'll see if I can get him to send screenshots. I know his Titania build is pretty much 299% power strength, since we always have to throw a bunch of Pizzas at him so he shoot up the limbs. As for weapon builds, I'm not sure, I'll have to try and see. I seem to recall him using a Riven in his weapon, however. Will let you know

If he's using a riven he's gimping himself. Riven stats don't transfer to exalted weapons... or so we've been told.

There's a few things that aren't supposed to work that do work with exalted weapons. I might have to test something later.

[Almighty_Jado]

1 minute ago, TheBlueJelly said:

If he's using a riven he's gimping himself. Riven stats don't transfer to exalted weapons... or so we've been told.

There's a few things that aren't supposed to work that do work with exalted weapons. I might have to test something later.

Hmmm, interesting.... if that's true, he could probably take out limbs even faster. Might need to test this

[Vindicus8235]

She's pretty hot garbage.  Her damage is nice, but other than that she's basically a meme.  No survivability, no speed which is hilarious for the flying frame getting outran by bullet jumpers in PoE, can't loot anything/misses out on tons of loot, gets 1 shot constantly by turrets that are supposed to shoot down archwings now in PoE--what other frame deals with that bullcrap?, clunky controls just like archwing, feels like her model is at least 3 times as large as it shows when flying--bumps into everything on the map, augments that make no sense..use tons of energy to use abilities on a channel ability frame so that you can move 15% faster for 8 seconds?  who thought this stuff up?  ever played titania?, her melee is completely pointless--it's just plain bad, so many problems it's difficult to list them all.

For the present moment and just to show they have some heart DE should at least give her some vacuum.  Playing her and trying to loot anything is torture.

[Syasob]

39 minutes ago, Vindicus8235 said:

She's pretty hot garbage.  Her damage is nice, but other than that she's basically a meme.  No survivability, no speed which is hilarious for the flying frame getting outran by bullet jumpers in PoE, can't loot anything/misses out on tons of loot, gets 1 shot constantly by turrets that are supposed to shoot down archwings now in PoE--what other frame deals with that bullcrap?, clunky controls just like archwing, feels like her model is at least 3 times as large as it shows when flying--bumps into everything on the map, augments that make no sense..use tons of energy to use abilities on a channel ability frame so that you can move 15% faster for 8 seconds?  who thought this stuff up?  ever played titania?, her melee is completely pointless--it's just plain bad, so many problems it's difficult to list them all.

For the present moment and just to show they have some heart DE should at least give her some vacuum.  Playing her and trying to loot anything is torture.

In case you missed it, here's a video earlier in this very thread.

In case of PoE all you need to feel safe is to break the turrets around the camp. It takes like 10 seconds if you managed to remember their locations. Also you can easily find energy orbs and while picking them from the ground you also recast augment buff. Sometimes you catch a rocket and in almost always result in being downed, but woah, thanks to the "bug" you have like Tigris Prime to defend while wait for teammate to revive you instead of clucky secondary (may be not clucky, but still not even close to Tigris).

 

[Vindicus8235]

5 minutes ago, Syasob said:

In case you missed it, here's a video earlier in this very thread.

In case of PoE all you need to feel safe is to break the turrets around the camp. It takes like 10 seconds if you managed to remember their locations. Also you can easily find energy orbs and while picking them from the ground you also recast augment buff. Sometimes you catch a rocket and in almost always result in being downed, but woah, thanks to the "bug" you have like Tigris Prime to defend while wait for teammate to revive you instead of clucky secondary (may be not clucky, but still not even close to Tigris).

 

I saw that video earlier on youtube.  Not sure what the relevance of it is tbh.  I mentioned that her DPS is good (with dex pixia), it's the plethora of other problems holding her back.  I also find it quite funny that the guy dies to paused AI in the video where he's trying to highlight how powerful Titania is; he would have died 20 times over trying to melee with her like that in a real scenario vs 150s.

[Maka.Bones]

27 minutes ago, Vindicus8235 said:

I saw that video earlier on youtube.  Not sure what the relevance of it is tbh.  I mentioned that her DPS is good (with dex pixia), it's the plethora of other problems holding her back.  I also find it quite funny that the guy dies to paused AI in the video where he's trying to highlight how powerful Titania is; he would have died 20 times over trying to melee with her like that in a real scenario vs 150s.

*boop* 

1 hour ago, Vindicus8235 said:

She's pretty hot garbage.  Her damage is nice, but other than that she's basically a meme...no speed which is hilarious...augments that make no sense..use tons of energy to use abilities on a channel ability frame so that you can move 15% faster for 8 seconds?  who thought this stuff up?  ever played titania?, her melee is completely pointless--it's just plain bad, so many problems it's difficult to list them all.

So yeah... her augment actually makes her really fast, and the bonus scales with power Str--so it's more than a 15% bonus... My balanced build makes her faster than a zephyr, inside PoE. Her channeled ability is really not that bad, when it comes to energy cost tbh. And that video was made *purely* to show how fast her melee--the most hated melee ingame--can kill enemies. Just showcasing how "bad" she really is. 

Dw tho, I'll make another video of her soloing sorties or something... Just to teach you how to play her ;)

Edited March 15, 2018 by Maka.Bones

[Maka.Bones]

40 minutes ago, Syasob said:

In case you missed it, here's a video earlier in this very thread.

In case of PoE all you need to feel safe is to break the turrets around the camp. It takes like 10 seconds if you managed to remember their locations. Also you can easily find energy orbs and while picking them from the ground you also recast augment buff. Sometimes you catch a rocket and in almost always result in being downed, but woah, thanks to the "bug" you have like Tigris Prime to defend while wait for teammate to revive you instead of clucky secondary (may be not clucky, but still not even close to Tigris).

 

Yeah, ty.