Ash Prime VS Excalibur Umbra

[(PSN)CommunistWorld]

So, I’m about to gain Excalibur Umbra from a quest; if each Warframe had the exact same mods, which one would be more suitable for survivability while also be able to dish out high damage?

(Not sure if this is important but I use the War as my main weapon, as I primary only do melee).

[(PSN)abbacephas]

Both.

[(PSN)CommunistWorld]

3 minutes ago, (PS4)abbacephas said:

Both.

What do you mean both?

[GnarlsDarkley]

Excal Umbra is the only frame currently who can really benefit from Umbra Mods. Ash is more the sneaky invisible frame, Umbra can reach over 1k Hp with high Armor

[(PSN)abbacephas]

20 minutes ago, (PS4)CommunistWorld said:

 if each Warframe had the exact same mods, which one would be more suitable for survivability while also be able to dish out high damage?

 

4 minutes ago, (PS4)abbacephas said:

Both.

 

[(PSN)CommunistWorld]

12 minutes ago, GnarlsDarkley said:

Excal Umbra is the only frame currently who can really benefit from Umbra Mods. Ash is more the sneaky invisible frame, Umbra can reach over 1k Hp with high Armor

So if I switched to Umbra, I won’t end up dying more or dish out less damage?

[Dhrekr]

1 minute ago, (PS4)CommunistWorld said:

So if I switched to Umbra, I won’t end up dying more or dish out less damage?

Depends on you. Both frames are good in survivability and damage dealing.

[(PSN)CoolD2108]

vor 11 Minuten schrieb (PS4)CommunistWorld:

What do you mean both?

 

Damage wise both of them are close to beein gamebreaking and neather lacks in survivability so there really isn't a better or worse. Just two frames that fill the same role but feel different. Try them out and pick whoever you like better.

[GnarlsDarkley]

2 minutes ago, (PS4)CommunistWorld said:

So if I switched to Umbra, I won’t end up dying more or dish out less damage?

Just like @abbacephas said, both can do what you want, they are just different types. You cant just facetank with either but Excal sure can take more dmg than Ash

[(PSN)CommunistWorld]

12 minutes ago, GnarlsDarkley said:

Excal Umbra is the only frame currently who can really benefit from Umbra Mods. Ash is more the sneaky invisible frame, Umbra can reach over 1k Hp with high Armor

So if I switched to Umbra, I won’t end up dying more or dish out less damage?

[GnarlsDarkley]

[lukinu_u]

What's about Salix syandana VS veiled rifle Riven ? Which one has the highest bleedout time ?

[ExcaliburUmbra]

For one both Warframes are different, with their own stats and abilities. So putting the exact same mod set up on both may not be optimal. For example, Excalibur Umbra has no way of going invisible like Ash Prime can, and has to rely on Radial Howl as well as his higher armor stat to survive, so it may be more worthwhile to equip hp and armor mods on him compared to Ash who doesn’t need them as much. Then there’s Warframe ability augments, such as Seeking Shuriken that lets Ash’s Shuriken strip enemy armor, or Chromatic Blade that boosts Umbra’s Exalted Blade status chance while changing its damage type from physical to elemental based on energy color.

As for your question, both frames are capable of surviving while dealing out damage, Umbra is more tanky, and can use his Exalted Blade to take out sortie-level enemies quickly assuming you have a decent build. Ash can avoid getting shot at in the first place with his Smoke Screen, and can use his Blade Storm to take out enemy mobs easily while leaving the player free to engage other enemies.

[GnarlsDarkley]

10 minutes ago, lukinu_u said:

What's about Salix syandana VS veiled rifle Riven ? Which one has the highest bleedout time ?

[(PSN)CoolD2108]

vor 33 Minuten schrieb (PS4)CommunistWorld:

So if I switched to Umbra, I won’t end up dying more or dish out less damage?

Nah but if you feel like you do, there's a few tricks that push his survivability ad infinitum.

There's generally two paths for his exalted blade: you go Chromatic blade and focus on Cc from his Blind and blade generated Ex status or you go Surging Dash, build up combo and have more status types that build up slower but that may end up doing more damage.

The second option makes using Huras Kubrows possible, what realisticly replaces the Wave status with a)invulnerability while you dash and b)invisibility when you keep doing it, what can be followed by a blind for full security. Looks something like this.

http://imgur.com/gallery/tqI7izl

[(XBOX)BananaPro858064]

assuming you put other mods, i'd say Excalibur Umbra, he is the only frame that can support that type of polarity that those mods have, assuming you max them out, ash would probability be only be able to hold a few of those mods 

Edited September 2, 2018 by (XB1)GAMERPRO8405

[(XBOX)Oussii]

8 hours ago, (PS4)CommunistWorld said:

So, I’m about to gain Excalibur Umbra from a quest; if each Warframe had the exact same mods, which one would be more suitable for survivability while also be able to dish out high damage?

(Not sure if this is important but I use the War as my main weapon, as I primary only do melee).

ASh. since you can shoot or evade why your clone is doing blade storm

[Pyromaniaque]

Hmmm... the Lord of Weaboos vs the Prince of Edginess... Well, as long you're equipping a katana, it doesn't matter !

[Veridian]

Why not both? 🤔 They are two different play styles, unless you've come from CS and you view them as different skins.

Ash has stealth into meme strike written all over, you'll be like an immortal blender as long as you don't leave stealth and will probably 1shot almost anything.

Excalibur can reach immortality as long as you don't afk, he won't 1shot enemies, but properly built, his exalted blade is like an aoe machine gun mowing enemies at range.

The holy trinity of immortal Excal is Quick Thinking, Hunter Adrenaline and Life Strike. Quick thinking uses your energy as a "mana shield" before death, Hunter Adrenaline converts damage to hp into energy and Life Strike is probably the most OP life steal I've ever seen in a game, from 0 to 100% in one hit, you don't even need to max it and even at max rank it will be dirt cheap - 15 energy or so, so you can just hold it down if you're being focused.

Overall I'd go with Excal, because there's rarely a mistake severe enough that could get you killed, but I often go with Ash as well.