LGBT players being silenced?

[(XBOX)GearsMatrix301]

Just now, (NSW)guacxmole said:

This thread is getting heated and I don’t think it’s a bad idea to bring in someone to moderate.

DE doesn’t directly moderate the forums. There are specified Mods for that.

[LSG501]

1 minute ago, (NSW)guacxmole said:

 

My sexuality becomes relevant when people post nonstop homophobic garbage in the region chat. Gamer culture is largely built upon saying edgy stuff to get a rise out of people.  

Making this lgbt focused clan came about as a direct response to witnessing sporadic but constant remarks by edgy people in region chat. 

So do what most of us do... don't read region chat, honestly most players don't bother with region chat.

Or if you really want to you can report the players who are making the comments you disagree with. 

[(NSW)guacxmole]

 

1 minute ago, (XB1)GearsMatrix301 said:

I’m not talking in general. I’m talking about the ones I’ve met specifically.

My best piece of advice for if you want to be accepted. Have a sense of humor for who you are. It worked for me.

If you knew me in person you’d know I post nonstop memes, jokes and S#&$posts about being mcfreaking g a y 

[(XBOX)AlingsasArrende]

Look, why don't you people just chill a little and let OP have his discussion in peace? He just wants to hang out with people who does not shout "fggot" whenever they get upset. Anyone who uses a headset to play with others must have heard this and multiple other offensive terms. So OP wants to find people who will not be shout LGBT slurs to him. It's perfectly reasonable. Please ask yourselves why you find this so provoking.

[(NSW)guacxmole]

2 minutes ago, LSG501 said:

First part, I'd actually disagree with that.  The fact they're only actively looking for LGBT players excludes non LGBT and LGBT accepting players. 

I never stated I was actively seeking lgbt players. I said that i had been banned while attempting to recruit for an lgbt oriented clan. 

[(NSW)guacxmole]

1 minute ago, (XB1)GearsMatrix301 said:

DE doesn’t directly moderate the forums. There are specified Mods for that.

Righto, thank you for the info. I’m still getting familiar with how the forums work. 

[Guest]

15 minutes ago, LSG501 said:

How is shameful to say there is no reason to discuss ANY sexual preference or orientation in the game? 

To a certain section of "liberal left wingers", anything that is somewhat not supportive of their agenda is "morally wrong" and "shameful". I think you know what I am referring to.

I am glad where I stay in this world is not full of them ... yet.

12 minutes ago, (NSW)guacxmole said:

As in - I’m disappointed that people are misinterpreting my intentions so severely, as you have just demonstrated

Pretty sure people calling you out for pushing an agenda isn't misrepresenting what you do.

Just because they say they are against your clan idea isn't because of you. It is about what your clan represents and the ideology that it is trying to shoehorn into Warframe.

As I mentioned, Warframe is not a government service, but a private service with its own rules. If a straight man goes to a gay bar, they have right to refuse him service, much like how a Muslim or Jewish restaurant can refuse service to a gay couple. 

9 minutes ago, (NSW)guacxmole said:

If by your logic we have a dichotomy of reasonable vs agenda pushers, can you explain to me how your vehement opposition to my attitude is NOT pushing an agenda? 

Of course I am pushing an agenda, openly. Which is that reasonable players and Devs don't have to give in to a vocal minority. 

This is a typical explanation for a certain segment of the populace - they have a "if you are not with us, you are against us". I have nothing against you, just something against your action.

I have no beef against gay individuals, at least not in public, but I do have something against openly discussing what should be private in the public. I guess this is called basic decorum and manners, not homophobia. Or should I now make a clan that only allows nymphomaniacs or those who masturbate three times a week, not more, not less?

Just replace LGBTQ friendly in your argument with "white", "masturbater", "nymphomaniac", "schizophrenic" or "male/female" only, the whole thing suddenly sounds a lot less pleasing to the reader. Forgive the language, but I have to make a point.

But all these states of being are people too. You can not argue inclusiveness with exclusiveness. You cannot ask for acceptance if you do not accept others.

[MagPrime]

1 minute ago, (XB1)GearsMatrix301 said:

DE doesn’t directly moderate the forums. There are specified Mods for that.

...

Some DE employees step in and moderate the forums. 

[(NSW)guacxmole]

1 minute ago, (XB1)AlingsasArrende said:

Look, why don't you people just chill a little and let OP have his discussion in peace? He just wants to hang out with people who does not shout "fggot" whenever they get upset. Anyone who uses a headset to play with others must have heard this and multiple other offensive terms. So OP wants to find people who will not be shout LGBT slurs to him. It's perfectly reasonable. Please ask yourselves why you find this so provoking.

This is exactly the point I’ve been trying to make all along. Thank you for summing it up so well. 

[nickelshark]

DE's profanity filter pretty much covers the entirety of the English language. Of course I am being a bit sarcastic, but point is you should just try to avoid using certain "trigger" words. The fact that we don't have a set list from DE doesn't help much either. As for DE support, well good luck. Support can either be quick to respond, in a day or two, or take a couple of months. I can assure you it has nothing to do you personally and they screw everyone over equally.  

[(XBOX)GearsMatrix301]

Just now, MagPrime said:

...

Some DE employees step in and moderate the forums. 

I could’ve guessed that but most of the time I just see the forum Mods.

[NekroArts]

You have to look at this objectively, your suspension was for objective reasons not subjective. LGBT is still a hot controversial topic its better to be safe being just an unknown than being something known and can cause big fires; and it's not because DE themselves dislike LGBT, it's because DE knows that the Warframe Community (the players) is not 100% pure. That's why the current chat system has "gay" and other related words blacklisted. They are blacklisted under the assumption for use for the wrong reasons which in turn could causes fires. I mean look at this thread, no one here is LGBT hater/suppressor, we're hear talking about why there's was no reason to petition LGBT-oriented clan and why your suspension happened yet the fire is just as big.

If you still plan on the LGBT inclusion clan, then just pm the person who wants to join that the "Clan chat will/may have LGBT related topics under healthy-casual reasons, I did not mention this is recruit because of how the chat system currently works. Is this okay with you?" 

Edited January 11, 2019 by NekroArts

[(NSW)guacxmole]

Just now, Datam4ss said:

To a certain section of "liberal left wingers", anything that is somewhat not supportive of their agenda is "morally wrong" and "shameful". I think you know what I am referring to.

I am glad where I stay in this world is not full of them ... yet.

Pretty sure people calling you out for pushing an agenda isn't misrepresenting what you do.

Just because they say they are against your clan idea isn't because of you. It is about what your clan represents and the ideology that it is trying to shoehorn into Warframe.

As I mentioned, Warframe is not a government service, but a private service with its own rules. If a straight man goes to a gay bar, they have right to refuse him service, much like how a Muslim or Jewish restaurant can refuse service to a gay couple. 

Of course I am pushing an agenda, openly. Which is that reasonable players and Devs don't have to give in to a vocal minority. 

This is a typical explanation for a certain segment of the populace - they have a "if you are not with us, you are against us". I have nothing against you, just something against your action.

I have no beef against gay individuals, at least not in public, but I do have something against openly discussing what should be private in the public. I guess this is called basic decorum and manners, not homophobia. Or should I now make a clan that only allows nymphomaniacs or those who masturbate three times a week, not more, not less?

Just replace LGBTQ friendly in your argument with "white", "masturbater", "nymphomaniac", "schizophrenic" or "male/female" only, the whole thing suddenly sounds a lot less pleasing to the reader. Forgive the language, but I have to make a point.

But all these states of being are people too. You can not argue inclusiveness with exclusiveness. You cannot ask for acceptance if you do not accept others.

The point that I believe you’re missing is that being queer is about more than mashing privates. My gender and orientation affect the ways in which I interact with the world due to discrimination recieved on a near daily basis. Seeking community with understanding and like minded individuals is a natural response to this. 

By the way I believe you’re the first person in this entire thread to mention the words “liberal” “politics” or “agenda”, you appear to be the one bringing in politics. 

[MagPrime]

Just now, (XB1)GearsMatrix301 said:

I could’ve guessed that but most of the time I just see the forum Mods.

They're the most obvious but they aren't the only moderators here, which is what your post said

[(NSW)guacxmole]

1 minute ago, nickelshark said:

The fact that we don't have a set list from DE doesn't help much either. 

A list of blacklisted words would be incredibly helpful. 

[LSG501]

5 minutes ago, (NSW)guacxmole said:

I never stated I was actively seeking lgbt players. I said that i had been banned while attempting to recruit for an lgbt oriented clan. 

 

1 hour ago, (NSW)guacxmole said:

 it is when seeking to make friends with fellow LGBT players in a game full of straight men and women.

Doesn't come across as very inclusive to me...but then we are just reading things from a forum.  That bit reads as if you're anti straight men and women. 

Edited January 11, 2019 by LSG501

[(NSW)guacxmole]

2 minutes ago, NekroArts said:

If you still plan on the LGBT inclusion clan, then just pm the person who wants to join that the "Clan chat will/may have LGBT related topics under healthy-casual reasons, I did not mention this is recruit because of how the chat system currently works. Is this okay with you?" 

This is something I hadn’t put much thought into, and it may actually be a good solution for the time being.

Until I’ve served my week-long ban, that is.

[MagPrime]

1 minute ago, LSG501 said:

 

Doesn't come across as very inclusive to me...but then we are just reading things from a forum.  That bit reads that you're anti straight men and women. 

Only if that's how you want to interpret it. 

And you seem to really want to.

[eurotransient]

5 minutes ago, LSG501 said:

I do love it when people try to take things to the extreme and come across looking desperate for a response... 

You would love your own behavior 😂

5 minutes ago, LSG501 said:

First part, I'd actually disagree with that.  The fact they're only actively looking for LGBT players excludes non LGBT and LGBT accepting players from their searching. 

OP already addressed this by pointing out they didn’t think anyone else would really want to join. You’re twisting an assumption out of what OP is looking for and making it out to be a discriminatory practice. It isn’t. It’s just OP taking the shortest and most reasonable route to finding likeminded individuals to play with. 

[(NSW)guacxmole]

1 minute ago, LSG501 said:

 

Doesn't come across as very inclusive to me...but then we are just reading things from a forum.  That bit reads as if you're anti straight men and women. 

That’s interesting. Because your comments read as if you’re anti-queer

[-Sentient-]

I pinned @[DE]Rebecca Because she is the community manager, pretty sure she has a word on this too.

[(XBOX)AlingsasArrende]

7 minutes ago, Datam4ss said:

To a certain section of "liberal left wingers", anything that is somewhat not supportive of their agenda is "morally wrong" and "shameful". I think you know what I am referring to.

I am glad where I stay in this world is not full of them ... yet.

Please just take your politics elsewhere, we don't want it shoved in our faces. Enough with the political speeches. Live and let live.

[eurotransient]

7 minutes ago, Datam4ss said:

Just replace LGBTQ friendly in your argument with "white", "masturbater", "nymphomaniac", "schizophrenic" or "male/female" only, the whole thing suddenly sounds a lot less pleasing to the reader. Forgive the language, but I have to make a point.

Took awhile but finally found the worst opinion on the internet today. Thank you. I’m impressed!

 

9 minutes ago, Datam4ss said:

To a certain section of "liberal left wingers", anything that is somewhat not supportive of their agenda is "morally wrong" and "shameful". I think you know what I am referring to.

 I am glad where I stay in this world is not full of them ... yet.

May I never visit where you are from 🙏 My liberal left wing butt would clearly not be welcome. 

[Guest]

4 minutes ago, (XB1)AlingsasArrende said:

Look, why don't you people just chill a little and let OP have his discussion in peace? He just wants to hang out with people who does not shout "fggot" whenever they get upset. Anyone who uses a headset to play with others must have heard this and multiple other offensive terms. So OP wants to find people who will not be shout LGBT slurs to him. It's perfectly reasonable. Please ask yourselves why you find this so provoking.

There are tonnes of clans who manage that without being that exclusive or even "LGBT friendly". Common decency is a thing that exists, you know?

What the OP seems to be positing is that majority of players are toxic homophobes. At least this is the impression he or she is giving off. But we know this is not the case.

1 minute ago, (NSW)guacxmole said:

The point that I believe you’re missing is that being queer is about more than mashing privates. My gender and orientation affect the ways in which I interact with the world due to discrimination recieved on a near daily basis. Seeking community with understanding and like minded individuals is a natural response to this. 

By the way I believe you’re the first person in this entire thread to mention the words “liberal” “politics” or “agenda”, you appear to be the one bringing in politics. 

When did I say it is about mashing privates? If you didn't tell everyone openly of your orientation, how would people find out unless they dig into your life? If you do not like what a vocal minority does to you (the true homophobes are such), then why do you think it is alright for your vocal minority to dictate things?

In a way, then what is wrong for homophobic people to group up to target gays? They are discriminated against by the supporters of the LGBT community after all, not just the LGBT community.

The moment you talked about LGBT acceptance, it is already trying to bring in a politicised controversy. I simply make it obvious and don't hide the facts. If I talk about politics I see, I talk about politics itself and call it politics. Hiding it doesn't change its nature. S#&$ smells, no matter if you call it poop, faeces or excreta,

[(NSW)guacxmole]

56 minutes ago, AvPCelticPredator said:

Did u saw that this game is named: "LGBT Warframe" or just "Warframe"?

Are you trying to say I should assume any space is unsafe for me unless specified otherwise? In that case, I wonder why people are taking such issue with me attempting to construct an LGBT-safe clan...