ISMW Posted July 27, 2019 Author Share Posted July 27, 2019 2 minutes ago, Ham_Grenabe said: Yep. It's a gamble. DE made it clear some time ago that rivens are subject to whatever change DE feels like making. A person who buys a riven knows the riven may be substantially different in 3 months' time. They're willing to pay large amounts of premium currency for what the riven is now, and that's their choice (with attendant consequences). And anyone looking at the market now should assume that anything with a 500+ plat price is going to get down-dispo'd within a 6-month time frame. Would I like kuva for the rivens of mine that got hammered? Sure. I just don't think DE has any reason to provide it; I knew what I was getting into. Fine, just can't see any reason why it should become gamble. First target of rivens was as said before, make bad weapons great again. Not introduce casino in the game i think Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(XBOX)AMONGTHEWEAK Posted July 27, 2019 Share Posted July 27, 2019 Yea I sold a stradavar riven for 1500 plat when they unveiled the strad prime, had no kuva invested in it at all just endo because I had unveiled it and then boom riven got nerfed. Ive never sold a riven for that much since, because this person was just willing to throw that much down right then and there no questions asked. Prices are inflated because there truly is no value to a riven. It can be whatever the seller and buyer agree to. Popularity of it will drive its disposition and price into the ground, unless even with lowest dispo its still strong then price will be relatively higher due to popularity till more of the same weapon riven appear. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ham_Grenabe Posted July 27, 2019 Share Posted July 27, 2019 Just now, ISMW said: Fine, just can't see any reason why it should become gamble. First target of rivens was as said before, make bad weapons great again. Not introduce casino in the game i think Right. I don't think DE expected that either, but the problem they're wrestling with now is that they introduced rivens for all weapons, which as we know doesn't close the gap between bad and good weapons, it just moves the entire gap higher and makes it bigger. Bad weapons are slightly better, and good weapons are way better. They're trying to kill that gap (with little success; the best way is to scrap rivens but despite the interest in balance and challenge everyone claims, we won't stand for that). We may not agree on this in the end, but we're fully informed at this point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(XBOX)AMONGTHEWEAK Posted July 27, 2019 Share Posted July 27, 2019 They should have not made the rivens trade able and just allowed us to be able to purchase specific rivens for a specific weapon through some form of in game riven trader guy where we earn his creds to get a riven (npc) and then let us go from there. imo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ISMW Posted July 27, 2019 Author Share Posted July 27, 2019 Im talking about kuva refound for changes, not about riven prices at market, not about their popularity Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(XBOX)AMONGTHEWEAK Posted July 27, 2019 Share Posted July 27, 2019 Oh I know, we just got off topic. Yea I have put a ton of kuva into my amprex riven and got it to where i was happy with it, and it got buffed big time and then nerfed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(XBOX)AMONGTHEWEAK Posted July 27, 2019 Share Posted July 27, 2019 i put alot of kuva before they changed the base kuva cap Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sleepychewbacca Posted July 27, 2019 Share Posted July 27, 2019 2 minutes ago, ISMW said: Im talking about kuva refound for changes, not about riven prices at market, not about their popularity Yeah, the answer to this is no. The reason for it is that it's been told that rivens are subject to change. That in itself is essentially buyer beware. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ISMW Posted July 27, 2019 Author Share Posted July 27, 2019 2 minutes ago, Ham_Grenabe said: Right. I don't think DE expected that either, but the problem they're wrestling with now is that they introduced rivens for all weapons, which as we know doesn't close the gap between bad and good weapons, it just moves the entire gap higher and makes it bigger. Bad weapons are slightly better, and good weapons are way better. They're trying to kill that gap (with little success; the best way is to scrap rivens but despite the interest in balance and challenge everyone claims, we won't stand for that). We may not agree on this in the end, but we're fully informed at this point. there are many other ways, they could just rebalance weapons by themselfves too, but rivens are here, and kuva is hard to get, so i want when they fixing overpowered riven, i could get some kuva to change this stats maybe for more utility or roll something else, im not talking about full refound, even 20k of 300wasted by me would be a precious gift Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ISMW Posted July 27, 2019 Author Share Posted July 27, 2019 1 minute ago, sleepychewbacca said: Yeah, the answer to this is no. The reason for it is that it's been told that rivens are subject to change. That in itself is essentially buyer beware. that is not the reason it is first condition about this system, but i'm asking here. Why no? shouldn't it help to test this system and gain more statistics? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sleepychewbacca Posted July 27, 2019 Share Posted July 27, 2019 1 minute ago, ISMW said: Why no? shouldn't it help to test this system and gain more statistics? For one, if you force DE into the pattern of compensation, where does it end? It'll be a bad business decision for them. Why should one thing be compensated and another not? Secondly, for a free to play game, this is how revenue is generated. Buying of rivens with desired rolls for plat. Thirdly, if you buy stocks in a company, and the shares devalue, is compensation expected? Same reasoning can be applied here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ISMW Posted July 27, 2019 Author Share Posted July 27, 2019 5 minutes ago, (XB1)AMONGTHEWEAK said: Oh I know, we just got off topic. Yea I have put a ton of kuva into my amprex riven and got it to where i was happy with it, and it got buffed big time and then nerfed I lost kuva on all sniper rifles but snipetron, tiberon, amprex, panther(at least not very neferd) and many others Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ISMW Posted July 27, 2019 Author Share Posted July 27, 2019 (edited) 5 minutes ago, sleepychewbacca said: For one, if you force DE into the pattern of compensation, where does it end? It'll be a bad business decision for them. Why should one thing be compensated and another not? Secondly, for a free to play game, this is how revenue is generated. Buying of rivens with desired rolls for plat. Thirdly, if you buy stocks in a company, and the shares devalue, is compensation expected? Same reasoning can be applied here. 1) there are not many things that they need and even could to compenaste 2)i think rivens not the main source of profit since you buying one and selling one, plat is around equal and it's just more like plat turnover not donating for more plat 3)i already said, IT IS A GAME not a stock market or am i wrong? Edited July 27, 2019 by ISMW Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aeon94 Posted July 27, 2019 Share Posted July 27, 2019 Kuva refund ? Nope. Why'd they refund ? We were and are well aware that rivens are subject to change. They don't owe us compensation. They didn't even change our rivens' specific combination of stats, they just reduced numbers. Those stats might get buffed in future who knows ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ISMW Posted July 27, 2019 Author Share Posted July 27, 2019 7 minutes ago, Aeon94 said: Kuva refund ? Nope. Why'd they refund ? We were and are well aware that rivens are subject to change. They don't owe us compensation. They didn't even change our rivens' specific combination of stats, they just reduced numbers. Those stats might get buffed in future who knows ? i think they should refound becouse riven system icnludes moeny and time investmen. If it wasn't so hard to get kuva, then it'l be fine i guess. My question is why they don't? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ISMW Posted July 27, 2019 Author Share Posted July 27, 2019 (edited) 2 minutes ago, (XB1)GaussPrime said: I say yes, because I then could buy high rolled trash rivens and suck out the kuva 😈 i think it should be linked to person who rolled and i think they must compensate fixed amout of kuva for example >30 rolls then u get compensate 20k or somtehing like that Edited July 27, 2019 by ISMW Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Olphalarepth Posted July 27, 2019 Share Posted July 27, 2019 2 minutes ago, ISMW said: i think it should be linked to person who rolled and i think they must compensate fixed amout of kuva for example >30 rolls then u get compensate 20k or somtehing like that So, according to your lasts posts DE should compensate you for X amount of kuva every 3 months? It's a game, not a tax refund. Devs of many game allow players to reskill when they operate major changes to skills, what are you losing from disposition changes exactly? If you spent 1k, 5k, 10000k to get the right combination it is pretty much a safe bet to say it will remain as such. Values might changes with time but not the combinations. You are just asking DE to fuel your addiction to riven with a band aid that will only benefit and encourage gambling behavior. Riven prices and kuva as a somewhat tedious to get resource is indeed a problem but nothing you have wrote so far is even close to anything that could help fix it 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sleepychewbacca Posted July 27, 2019 Share Posted July 27, 2019 11 minutes ago, ISMW said: i think they should refound becouse riven system icnludes moeny and time investmen. If it wasn't so hard to get kuva, then it'l be fine i guess. My question is why they don't? Keep on thinking then. I strongly think it'll never happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ISMW Posted July 27, 2019 Author Share Posted July 27, 2019 (edited) 11 minutes ago, Olphalarepth said: So, according to your lasts posts DE should compensate you for X amount of kuva every 3 months? It's a game, not a tax refund. Devs of many game allow players to reskill when they operate major changes to skills, what are you losing from disposition changes exactly? If you spent 1k, 5k, 10000k to get the right combination it is pretty much a safe bet to say it will remain as such. Values might changes with time but not the combinations. You are just asking DE to fuel your addiction to riven with a band aid that will only benefit and encourage gambling behavior. Riven prices and kuva as a somewhat tedious to get resource is indeed a problem but nothing you have wrote so far is even close to anything that could help fix it compensate only ones who have it and rolled it many times i think, and some values changes so rapidly down, that riven just become useless, Edited July 27, 2019 by ISMW Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ISMW Posted July 27, 2019 Author Share Posted July 27, 2019 (edited) 11 minutes ago, sleepychewbacca said: Keep on thinking then. I strongly think it'll never happen. fine, i'll just stop use it then. As i said i don't think they owe me or smth Edited July 27, 2019 by ISMW Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aeon94 Posted July 27, 2019 Share Posted July 27, 2019 20 minutes ago, ISMW said: i think they should refound becouse riven system icnludes moeny and time investmen. If it wasn't so hard to get kuva, then it'l be fine i guess. My question is why they don't? You invest ( either money or time or both ) into something that is subject to change ( like everything in game ) knowingly. You also agreed to the terms when you created your account. They literally tell you in ToS that they don't owe you any compensation. Now I ask you again , why'd they ? It's more beneficial for DE to not refund kuva , so people farm more , play more and possibly buy boosters too. As for Kuva acquisition ; Kuva Missions , Kuva Floods , Kuva Survival and boosters exist. Not to mention Nightwave gives a nice amount of Kuva too. Kuva is not so hard to get nowadays ( tho a buff to Kuva Survival would be nice ). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ISMW Posted July 27, 2019 Author Share Posted July 27, 2019 1 minute ago, Aeon94 said: You invest ( either money or time or both ) into something that is subject to change ( like everything in game ) knowingly. You also agreed to the terms when you created your account. They literally tell you in ToS that they don't owe you any compensation. Now I ask you again , why'd they ? It's more beneficial for DE to not refund kuva , so people farm more , play more and possibly buy boosters too. As for Kuva acquisition ; Kuva Missions , Kuva Floods , Kuva Survival and boosters exist. Not to mention Nightwave gives a nice amount of Kuva too. Kuva is not so hard to get nowadays ( tho a buff to Kuva Survival would be nice ). no, it still hard as hell, 20 k is nothing, i said already that i DON"T THINK THEY OWE ME or smth 3 times here already, but that would be fair i think to refund even part of invested kuva for changes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(PSN)guzmantt1977 Posted July 27, 2019 Share Posted July 27, 2019 3 hours ago, ISMW said: I rolled some of my rivens about 100 times. But riven mods dipositions are constantly changing and i am unsatisfied becouse i wasted tons of my time doing rivens i like, and now it's just ruined. Could DE give players who had mods that changed some kuva ? If you had the best stats possible on a riven, it's still got the best stats possible. It is not ruined, and still improves the weapon in the same ways, and gives you the best values that can be had. The way I see it, you fall into one of two categories: 1) If you're claiming that you currently have a crappy riven due to the disposition changes, the simple truth is that you always had a crappy riven and aren't owed anything. 2) If you're claiming that you had a great riven, then the truth is that you still have it, and aren't owed anything. Take your pick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(PSN)jaggerwanderer Posted July 27, 2019 Share Posted July 27, 2019 I would like to be given kuva for my riven that has their disposition raise so I can reroll for better stats. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HugintheCrow Posted July 27, 2019 Share Posted July 27, 2019 (edited) 7 minutes ago, ISMW said: i said already that i DON"T THINK THEY OWE ME or smth 3 times here already, but that would be fair i think to refund even part of invested kuva for changes See the above sentence literally states "I don't think they owe me, but they totally owe me". There is no reason for anyone to treat you seriously when you come off as disingenuous. You can repeat things all you want, but if you instantly show you're lying when saying those things, well, you're just digging your own hole. Edited July 27, 2019 by HugintheCrow Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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