Silenzeio Posted June 2 Share Posted June 2 I'm gonna be Captain Obvious when i say that Steam forums are already a toxic pit. But since the very second of Pride items coming to the in game market, the Steam forums of Warframe have just devolved into a toxic mess of anti-Pride screaming. Be interested in seeing if DE or Valve will step in to shut the forums down. 9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prexades Posted June 2 Share Posted June 2 People gotten tired of companies celebrating a pride month that usually lasts a full year. Most people don't care what consenting adults do in their bedroom together. But it gets really, really tiresome that some have to put their preferences into everyones face. 43 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genitive Posted June 2 Share Posted June 2 We witness the same song and dance every ear. Just ignore the idiots until they get bored. DE do seem to moderate the steam forums, I saw several threads locked and a few users banned, but you have only that much time in the day. 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C11H22O1 Posted June 2 Share Posted June 2 Well it would be good to not give them attention, no? Let them waste their time hating while regular people move on with their day 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zimzala Posted June 2 Share Posted June 2 23 minutes ago, Prexades said: People gotten tired of companies celebrating a pride month that usually lasts a full year. Most people don't care what consenting adults do in their bedroom together. But it gets really, really tiresome that some have to put their preferences into everyones face. People have also gotten tired of being discriminated against for being non-cis-gendered and having cis people to tell them to be quiet while they produce far more cis oriented media that is in everyone's face, all the time. It has nothing to do with what happens in the bedroom and everything to do with what happens in the boardroom. Pride month is about having the courage to be who we are in the face of a group of people that want to silence us, if not outright kill us. If it makes people think about the topic, that's the point. There are new people everyday who have to learn new things. If you are already aware of these things, great, but you might want to try and understand that knowledge is not universal and that hate and bigotry are alive and well in 2024. 41 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prexades Posted June 2 Share Posted June 2 vor 54 Minuten schrieb Zimzala: People have also gotten tired of being discriminated against for being non-cis-gendered and having cis people to tell them to be quiet while they produce far more cis oriented media that is in everyone's face, all the time. It has nothing to do with what happens in the bedroom and everything to do with what happens in the boardroom. Pride month is about having the courage to be who we are in the face of a group of people that want to silence us, if not outright kill us. If it makes people think about the topic, that's the point. There are new people everyday who have to learn new things. If you are already aware of these things, great, but you might want to try and understand that knowledge is not universal and that hate and bigotry are alive and well in 2024. I don't think it is having a net positive effect at this point. People who used to be positive or at least neutral about it, went to having a very negative opinion. 12 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rapt0rman Posted June 2 Share Posted June 2 1 minute ago, Prexades said: I don't think it is having a net positive effect at this point. People who used to be positive or at least neutral about it, went to having a very negative opinion. I don't think you have a large enough sample size to determine that. There's a 100% guarantee that certain people will react like that, It absolutely should not be stopped on account of them. 21 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
_Eclips3_ Posted June 2 Share Posted June 2 (edited) 2 hours ago, Silenzeio said: I'm gonna be Captain Obvious when i say that Steam forums are already a toxic pit. But since the very second of Pride items coming to the in game market, the Steam forums of Warframe have just devolved into a toxic mess of anti-Pride screaming. Be interested in seeing if DE or Valve will step in to shut the forums down. Why do you want to control what others see? If you feel discomfort, don't visit the forums. Same way I wouldn't watch a horror movie at night then complain to the studio that I had a nightmare or something. I don't have a problem with it as I'm an adult now so I have no problem seeing it, but others might. This community is all a bout inclusivity after all, why not be inclusive to those who find discomfort? 1 hour ago, Prexades said: People gotten tired of companies celebrating a pride month that usually lasts a full year. Most people don't care what consenting adults do in their bedroom together. But it gets really, really tiresome that some have to put their preferences into everyones face. Agreed, it's a celebration that is sexual in nature. It's about peoples sexual preferences and not everyone wants to see themes about sexual preferences plastered all over the game they play and in their gaming news feeds. And what about the younger audience that play the game? I used to play this game on my Xbox in my early teens (for legal reasons since it's rated M, under my parents supervision in the living room), I don't think it's appropriate to advertise peoples sexual preference and what they do in their bedroom to legally speaking, children. Edited June 2 by _Eclips3_ 13 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zimzala Posted June 2 Share Posted June 2 (edited) 14 minutes ago, Prexades said: I don't think it is having a net positive effect at this point. People who used to be positive or at least neutral about it, went to having a very negative opinion. Studies? Statistics? Actual good polling? Or just 'what you read on gamer forums'? There has always been a loud percentage of the population that does not like/enjoy/condone being told the same stuff each year that think they are 'above having to see', from Black History/Rights, to Women's History/Rights, to Non-cis History/Rights, to Valentines day, to Christmas. As the general population grows, so do those numbers because they are based on percentages of the general population. Right now, the percentage of the population that 'feels' anything in the media is the equivalent of them 'being told what to do' has been very vocal, because they see a world in which their influence and power has continued to erode. So, while there may be a lot of whining and kvetching by people that have no tools to understand there are new people each year that need to learn the things a lot of people already know, I cannot see any real evidence that promoting non-cis respect and rights is having a non-net positive impact, with the exception of those who think just because they read a thing that someone is lecturing at them. Edited June 2 by Zimzala words are hard 11 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LittleLeoniePrime Posted June 2 Share Posted June 2 8 minutes ago, _Eclips3_ said: Agreed, it's a celebration that is sexual in nature. It's about peoples sexual preferences and not everyone wants to see themes about sexual preferences plastered all over the game they play and in their gaming news feeds. Oh no the colors /o\ they so sexy :o 13 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ReddyDisco Posted June 2 Share Posted June 2 Bigots are going to bigot, noone can help their miserable existence but themselves. If a few colourful glyphs and a free colour pallet can get people so toxic then they should really revaluate themselves. 16 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
_Eclips3_ Posted June 2 Share Posted June 2 Just now, ReddyDisco said: Bigots are going to bigot, noone can help their miserable existence but themselves. If a few colourful glyphs and a free colour pallet can get people so toxic then they should really revaluate themselves. How is it bigoted? I'm very happy people are no longer being persecuted for having the freedom to be who they are, but as I mentioned before, this celebration involves sexual themes and I don't think it's appropriate advertising it, especially when minors can be exposed to it. 6 minutes ago, LittleLeoniePrime said: Oh no the colors /o\ they so sexy :o Lets be honest, it's not just about colours though, it's what they represent. I'm not saying they're representing something negative. As I have already said, I'm very happy society progressed and is no longer persecuting innocent people, it's just the sexual nature of this celebration isn't very appropriate, especially when minors can be exposed to it. 10 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zimzala Posted June 2 Share Posted June 2 1 minute ago, _Eclips3_ said: How is it bigoted? I'm very happy people are no longer being persecuted for having the freedom to be who they are, but as I mentioned before, this celebration involves sexual themes and I don't think it's appropriate advertising it, especially when minors can be exposed to it. We are already to "What about the children" I see. What about the non-cis children that need to understand they are not alone? What about the fact the human body is beautiful and sexuality is beautiful and should not be stigmatized? What about teaching children the truth about the world over the delusions held by their parents? What about the simple fact this is an M-rated game, so I should not have to worry about your children? Sex is not Evil or Bad. Learning about different sexual orientations is not Evil or Bad. Stigmatizing things because parents are too scared to talk about them is Evil and Bad. 11 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prexades Posted June 2 Share Posted June 2 vor 4 Minuten schrieb Zimzala: Studies? Statistics? Actual good polling? Or just 'what you read on gamer forums'? There has always been a loud percentage of the population that does not being told the same stuff each year they thing they are 'above having to see', from Black History/Rights, to Women's History/Rights, to Non-cis History/Rights, to Valentines day, to Christmas. As the general population grows, so do those numbers because they are based on percentages of the general population. Right now, the percentage of the population that 'feels' anything in the media is the equivalent of them 'being told what to do' has been very vocal, because they see a world in which their influence and power has continued to erode. So, while there may be a lot of whining and kvetching by people that have no tools to understand there are new people each year that need to learn the things a lot of people already know, I cannot see any real evidence that promoting non-cis respect and rights is having a non-net positive impact, with the exception of those who think just because they read a thing that someone is lecturing at them. A beer company put a man who self-identifies as women into beer adverts - sales cratered Star Trek's Seven of Nine, suddenly turned gay in the Picard series because of representation. Which was soundly rejected by the fans. Gays have just as much right to live and love whoever they want. But if you ask for special treatment while also wanting to be seen as normal is getting on peoples nerves. You can't have both, pick one and stick with it. 14 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C11H22O1 Posted June 2 Share Posted June 2 2 minutes ago, _Eclips3_ said: How is it bigoted? I'm very happy people are no longer being persecuted for having the freedom to be who they are, but as I mentioned before, this celebration involves sexual themes and I don't think it's appropriate advertising it, especially when minors can be exposed to it. Lets be honest, it's not just about colours though, it's what they represent. I'm not saying they're representing something negative. As I have already said, I'm very happy society progressed and is no longer persecuting innocent people, it's just the sexual nature of this celebration isn't very appropriate, especially when minors can be exposed to it. Minors shouldn't even be playing this game in the first place and I don't think there's anything sexual about it or at least it's not the focus, people loving each other isn't sexual at all. I don't think you would ban kisses or love interests in media that kids consume would you? 9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sporthand Posted June 2 Share Posted June 2 2 hours ago, Silenzeio said: I'm gonna be Captain Obvious when i say that Steam forums are already a toxic pit. But since the very second of Pride items coming to the in game market, the Steam forums of Warframe have just devolved into a toxic mess of anti-Pride screaming. Be interested in seeing if DE or Valve will step in to shut the forums down. Oh, I gotta check those comments from Steam forums! That sounds like an interesting topic to me! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
_Eclips3_ Posted June 2 Share Posted June 2 (edited) 7 minutes ago, Zimzala said: We are already to "What about the children" I see. What about the non-cis children that need to understand they are not alone? What about the fact the human body is beautiful and sexuality is beautiful and should not be stigmatized? What about teaching children the truth about the world over the delusions held by their parents? What about the simple fact this is an M-rated game, so I should not have to worry about your children? Sex is not Evil or Bad. Learning about different sexual orientations is not Evil or Bad. Stigmatizing things because parents are too scared to talk about them is Evil and Bad. In this case, I think it's the parents place to decide whether or not their child is exposed to it though considering they're minors. There's nothing wrong if a child identifies as non-cis, but morally speaking, why should strangers have the right to expose a minor to sexual themes? Same reason the age of consent is 18. Edited June 2 by _Eclips3_ 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
_Eclips3_ Posted June 2 Share Posted June 2 2 minutes ago, C11H22O1 said: Minors shouldn't even be playing this game in the first place and I don't think there's anything sexual about it or at least it's not the focus, people loving each other isn't sexual at all. I don't think you would ban kisses or love interests in media that kids consume would you? I mean you're not wrong, but unless the company takes steps to verify age such as sending in their photo ID like YouTube does (which isn't entirely fool proof) then they should be a little more cautious since there's still that risk of a child lying about their age. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LittleLeoniePrime Posted June 2 Share Posted June 2 9 minutes ago, _Eclips3_ said: How is it bigoted? I'm very happy people are no longer being persecuted for having the freedom to be who they are, but as I mentioned before, this celebration involves sexual themes and I don't think it's appropriate advertising it, especially when minors can be exposed to it. Lets be honest, it's not just about colours though, it's what they represent. I'm not saying they're representing something negative. As I have already said, I'm very happy society progressed and is no longer persecuting innocent people, it's just the sexual nature of this celebration isn't very appropriate, especially when minors can be exposed to it. you do realise we're talking about a M rated game here...? 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FiveN9ne Posted June 2 Share Posted June 2 1 minute ago, _Eclips3_ said: I mean you're not wrong, but unless the company takes steps to verify age such as sending in their photo ID like YouTube does (which isn't entirely fool proof) then they should be a little more cautious since there's still that risk of a child lying about their age. Bro, there's literal p0rn on twitch, which used to be a gaming streaming site. Literally has a 13 year old age limit but they blur explicit content on the main page while at the same time not wanting to admit that the content is inappropriate... Money moves everything. As long as there is money involved, everyone will do whatever they want. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zimzala Posted June 2 Share Posted June 2 Just now, _Eclips3_ said: In this case, I think it's the parents place to decide whether or not their child is exposed to it though considering they're minors. There's nothing wrong if a child identifies as non-cis, but morally speaking, why should strangers have the right to expose a minor to this? Expose to what, exactly? If they are allowed to play WF, they are already exposed to sexualized content. It's simply information. Do you actually think parents OWN their children to the point they have a right to totally curate all data the children get? That's called brainwashing. I do not condone the idea that children are property to be brainwashed by their parents. The parents have an obligation to society to raised cortical thinkers that move society forward and the only way to do that is through education of reality, not stigmatizing things that make them uncomfortable. 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LittleLeoniePrime Posted June 2 Share Posted June 2 (edited) 5 minutes ago, _Eclips3_ said: I mean you're not wrong, but unless the company takes steps to verify age such as sending in their photo ID like YouTube does (which isn't entirely fool proof) then they should be a little more cautious since there's still that risk of a child lying about their age. and? what are they gonna do in your opinion if they see some cute displays and a free color picker? lol there has to be understanding of the meaning as well in order for your concern to even make sense Also what's so wrong about children learning about their gender identity or sexual orientation before their 20's? Edited June 2 by LittleLeoniePrime 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
_Eclips3_ Posted June 2 Share Posted June 2 2 minutes ago, LittleLeoniePrime said: you do realise we're talking about a M rated game here...? True, but as I've said, there haven't been any steps taken to ensure a minor doesn't lie about their age. Not only that, but if this is an M rated game, why are people getting punished for using M rated language in the game? It's not very consistent. If it's to prevent other members from being uncomfortable, then that's a bit hypocritical here. 2 minutes ago, FiveN9ne said: Bro, there's literal p0rn on twitch, which used to be a gaming streaming site. Literally has a 13 year old age limit but they blur explicit content on the main page while at the same time not wanting to admit that the content is inappropriate... Money moves everything. As long as there is money involved, everyone will do whatever they want. That's not an excuse though, porn is very harmful to young peoples development and can breed many insecurities and harmful perceptions against women. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FiveN9ne Posted June 2 Share Posted June 2 (edited) 2 minutes ago, _Eclips3_ said: True, but as I've said, there haven't been any steps taken to ensure a minor doesn't lie about their age. Not only that, but if this is an M rated game, why are people getting punished for using M rated language in the game? It's not very consistent. If it's to prevent other members from being uncomfortable, then that's a bit hypocritical here. That's not an excuse though, porn is very harmful to young peoples development and can breed many insecurities and harmful perceptions against women. I'm not giving an excuse, i'm agreeing with you and providing a similar example of logical inconsistency. Also, M rated game where you can't say a$$. That's laughable as all hell. Edited June 2 by FiveN9ne 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
_Eclips3_ Posted June 2 Share Posted June 2 Just now, FiveN9ne said: I'm not giving an excuse, i'm agreeing with you and providing a similar example of logical inconsistency. Fair enough Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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