Why Do People Hate Nova?

[sanj66]

Because this one thread is all there is to the matter.  DE doesn't have any usage or market statistics and there were never any other nerf Nova threads with people defending Nova.  And there is no difference between all the other nerf threads that preceeded and will follow Nova.  This thread is all there is to it.

 

Oh, you acknowledge other threads?  Yes, and as I said before, statistics and people defending Nova, they exist.  There are also the buff threads you conveniantly ignore, and usage/market statistics.

 

You claim that everybody wants to play Nova then you claim that people who want to play Nova are out numbered by people who want to nerf Nova.  You're not making sense here.

 

As for substance or relevance, Customer Satisfaction and pricing and cost, that is the only thing substantive or relevant in a product, not balance and difficulty.

where did i say everyone wants to play nova? lol better stop talking about mind reading and focus on actual reading. and i see a lot of customers here that would be satisfied with a nova nerf, besides that it does require a nerf to get it in line with other frames, and alot of people will be satisfied with a nerf on nova. the same way you tell people go ask de to make a new mission type for them, why dont you go ask de to make a new game for you to play easy/boring mode? every single thing you post actually can be used against your discussion.

[(PSN)pmnovaroadspilot]

wow, what kind of playstation do you have, there's always a nova, there's like a 90% chance you'll be paired up with a nova in your squad

me and you play at different times on different planets on differnet missions the paths arent clearly defined but they are different 

its just the way things work...RNG baby! cause i havent seen a nova in a week lol

 

with that said my suggestion of how to tweak nova (on last page) has alot of merit because it helps keep what nova brings to the table while becoming more flexible in the team aspect. just lessen the number of targets, random highlight and cover area in between targets

 

I love nova period she is what kept me involved in this game my first brought warframe and i have nothing but love for her 

 

i proposed this change because... im tired of people calling nerf and im tired of the hyperbole of her ruining peoples time 

however i do know that there are A******s who have builds set to nothing but molecular prime (which is in and of itself ridiculous) 

 

i dont want be associated with a nut who invalidates other peoples participation but i want people who like what she is (me lol) to still have her power

 

understand that the ONLY argument people have for changing nova is because of the grey accused area of her invalidating participation 

changing something because its easy and op is bad in a PVE game because i may like it 

you may dislike it but you simply have to not use it. 

[Paradoxbomb]

The problem with Nova's M Prime is that it outperforms the majority of other abilities by doing everything they do but better (or at least close enough that it really doesn't matter with all the aspects put together). Why use Banshee's Sonar or Rhino Roar? Just use M Prime and get a free 100% damage boost to all enemies. Why use Paralysis or Snowglobe? Just use M Prime and substantially slow down every enemy in 25 meters. Even it's damage is pretty impressive compared to other pure damage ultimates, and even if you don't kill everything they're still debuffed.

 

Nova isn't the only offender obviously, Rhino Stomp comes close with it's relatively high damage and range on top of completely immobilizing all enemies, but at least his damage multiplier requires the use of an additional ability.

Edited March 21, 2014 by Paradoxbomb

[HackShield]

because they hate nova 1-hitting enemies before their pride and glorious warframe/ 5 star forma-ed weapon does. and starts crying about KS in a co-op PvE

thats noar less the reason.

 

for it gets epic annoying if youre on a md or some little farm runs and there is that one nova miles away spamming mp like no tomorrow "2 enemies? lets mp em we need that!" idk but on my own nova i love my antimatter drop shot 2 arrow run and finish em with a nice hit in the face and mp only if its really needed. cause md are mostly for lvling but with mp spam there is no lvling beside for the frame or if youre even in range cause the nova is way out of the range for exp share....

[ThePresident777]

where did i say everyone wants to play nova? lol better stop talking about mind reading and focus on actual reading. and i see a lot of customers here that would be satisfied with a nova nerf, besides that it does require a nerf to get it in line with other frames, and alot of people will be satisfied with a nerf on nova. the same way you tell people go ask de to make a new mission type for them, why dont you go ask de to make a new game for you to play easy/boring mode? every single thing you post actually can be used against your discussion.

 

I must have gotten you confused with another nerfer.  It's not difficult to do so.  But, it doesn't matter.  We all know that Nova is a popular Warframe.  And again, a lot of customers here is not the same thing as a lot of customers.

 

When you consider that there is more forum rage about the broken lights than Nova, you have to realize that your opinion is not as popular as you might want.  There is also all the forum rage over all the other nerfs DE has made, and had to unmake.  And, there is also all the requests to buff other Warframes.  So, nerfs are not nearly as popular as you would like.

 

Also, most people play mid level missions, not high level missions, so your anti-easy opinion is not well supported.

 

All you have is your opinion.  You haven't got any facts to support it.

 

Why would I ask DE to make missions to suit different playstyles then ask DE to make a new game to suit my prefered play style?  That makes no sense!  Maybe you don't know the difference between a mission and a game.

 

And telling me to ask DE for missions to suit my preferred play style isn't using my own words against me.  It's support for my point of view!  And I thank you for that.

Edited March 21, 2014 by ThePresident777

[BiancaRoughfin]

So, im both Lover and Hater of Nova.

 

Loves for:

I love her look and the fact she can do both support and attack roles. Her Molecular Prime is far from being her strongest power but sadly not everyone knows that. I very rarely use her ult skill, doing so mostly on Tower Defense III near the final waves to help contain enemies and help my team do extra damage since the skill's blast wont do much against lvl 30+ mobs. Use her Worm Hole allot for helping my friends reach higher areas or getting pass glitched doors.

 

Hates For:

She sadly became a must have for newby players since they run any mission spamming her Molecular Prime to get kills thinking their doing to get some respect at the end for doing top kill, sadly for them, that doesnt work very well when im around since i do top kills even against their kinds using my AkStilletos to cut through large rows of enemies with ease. I just so love humiliating Molecular Spammers. <3

Now my favorite frame is Zephyr. <3

[inks84]

I hate nova. the only time I find her acceptable is in survivals. in any other circumstance shes just a troll that sucks all the fun of gameplay. playing her takes little to no effort. mod her up. just walk around mash your 4 key and pick up blue orbs... pathetic... I have the frame and never want to play it again..

[AvengerGrim]

I hate nova. the only time I find her acceptable is in survivals. in any other circumstance shes just a troll that sucks all the fun of gameplay. playing her takes little to no effort. mod her up. just walk around mash your 4 key and pick up blue orbs... pathetic... I have the frame and never want to play it again..

You hate S#&$ty players who don't know how to play Nova in a co-op environment, nuance...

 

Nova is a great warframe that is best utilized in high levels where Mprime don't kill everything instantly but rather just help with the dps of the team and where Adrop really shine.

 

And since your description of how to play Nova is as followed: "Just walk around mash your 4 key and pick up blue orbs...", i'd say you too need to learn how to properly play as Nova... Understanding that using Worm Hole to help your teammates, be gentle with your #4 ability and trow an occasional Adrop is much more fun than just spamming Mprime.

[ThePresident777]

okay, so she may steal kills once in a while but apart from that what is wrong with her? Volt is the same against low level enemies with his lowest cost ability? (cam wipe out a whole wave of grineer with one lightning on lares)

 

They don't like Volt for the same reason they don't like Nova.  But, more people play Nova and, as you imply, she can kill multiple enemies, or cause to be killed, at higher levels, where you wouldn't see a Volt doing so.  Before Nova, they were complaining about Saryn.  When Saryn got nerfed, they moved on to Banshee.  It never ends with these people until they get rid of AoE spam.  They will not admit it because people will remind them that Warframe has had AoE spam for a long time now so people have come to expect and enjoy it.  So they are whittling it down until there is no more AoE spam, or until DE makes them their own sandboxes and tells them, "Enough!  Go to your sandbox!  And don't come out!"  Then they'll go to another game and ruin it because spoiling other people's fun is what they are really all about.  The idea that other people are having it "easy", i.e., fun, is too much to bare for the Gaming Moral Majority.  These are the same people you see in politics and work and talk shows attempting, or even succeeding, to ruin everyone else's enjoyment of life with their moralistic BS.  But, just as in RL this moralistic BS can be profitable, in gaming it can be profitable too.  Because, if you can put fun game play trapped behind boring game play, then, people will pay gold farmers for their "end game" ready accounts instead of muscling through the boring game play themselves to get to the "end game".

Edited March 22, 2014 by ThePresident777

[RadMystical]

I'm an avid Nova player, but I seem to find that most times I join a nice group who will politely say:

Please don't use MP early on, but it's fine when things get a little bit tougher.

Honestly, before I even started to use nova, the only thing that mildly bothered me was the slow down, but I found out that paring wormhole to quickly get around the map quickly and kill the stragglers.

[inks84]

that still does not prove the fact that shes not a troll.. you can up up down high kick bounce off wall or whatever the hell you want. it doesn't matter. you can still just mash the 4 key. that's the problem. though I suppose people like taking a stroll or letting a bot auto aim for you. maybe have a macro to walk you though the entire level? I see people defending this Nova and that's all I see in it.. she destroys everything so nobody else can enjoy..

Edited March 24, 2014 by inks84

[Riasiru]

I admit that I use M Prime constantly when I'm Nova... For the same reason I use Radial Blind constantly when I'm Excalibur. It's a good CC. Double damage and enemies are half as fast? Yes please!... I don't even care about the explosions. They're nice, I guess... But I'll overextend and not even bother sticking Intensify on her.

 

... Thing is, with her range so high, every time an enemy explodes they deal 320 damage to every enemy around them... Within a range of 35 meters!!! If four people shoot four enemies with M Prime, every enemy inside of that 35 meter range is going to be taking 320 from each of them for a total of 1280 damage! But wait, they take double damage cause M Prime... So they're actually taking 640 from each explosion and it really just snowballs from there.

 

... Dat exponential growth. 

[RealPandemonium]

Nova is an option for those who want to trivialize the game, nothing more.  I advocate removing the slow from MPrime and reducing the explosion damage by half. That brings the skill in line with other nuke 4s while retaining its powerful team buff.  This will make Nova players that want to use abilities for damage focus on Antimatter Drop (which is also obscenely powerful but at least has gameplay interaction.)

[Riasiru]

Nova is an option for those who want to trivialize the game, nothing more.  I advocate removing the slow from MPrime and reducing the explosion damage by half. That brings the skill in line with other nuke 4s while retaining its powerful team buff.  This will make Nova players that want to use abilities for damage focus on Antimatter Drop (which is also obscenely powerful but at least has gameplay interaction.)

 

How about you reduce the damage to nearly nothing and keep the slow? Seriously, I'll happily trade you the x2 damage multiplier to keep a 50% slow for a full minute... I'll trade the damage, too! Take it all! take everything but the slow!... Or, if you do take the slow, make a new frame based on time and give HIM the slow!

 

Just let me keep the 60 second slow debuff... I love that. 

 

Edit; I'm not even going to pretend Nova's 4 isn't OP... I openly admit it needs to be nerfed... I just don't want to lose the only CC she has. She is a fragile little thing without that slow.

 

Edit 2; Yes, I sometimes think about things after I post on them. Shush. How about this. Make her number 3 skill her number 1, and split her number 4 between both 3 and 4. Her new 3 is a CC skill that reduces enemy movement speed by 50% for 30 seconds w/ duration scaling, and her 4 doubles the damage they take while retaining the explosion when they die? Though the range and damage is scaled back so it isn't quite so obscene... Her old 1?... What about it? I have her number 1 on all my frames. I call it the Carrier Sentinel's shotgun. Best of all, I don't need power to use it. 

 

And before anyone says her number 1 would be OP, I assure you that it doesn't have to cost 25. There are plenty of abilities in this game that break the mold with power cost. Nova could be the first frame with a 1 power that costs more than 25... Still be worth it, though. 

Edited March 24, 2014 by Riasiru

[RealPandemonium]

How about you reduce the damage to nearly nothing and keep the slow? Seriously, I'll happily trade you the x2 damage multiplier to keep a 50% slow for a full minute... I'll trade the damage, too! Take it all! take everything but the slow!... Or, if you do take the slow, make a new frame based on time and give HIM the slow!

 

Just let me keep the 60 second slow debuff... I love that. 

 

Edit; I'm not even going to pretend Nova's 4 isn't OP... I openly admit it needs to be nerfed... I just don't want to lose the only CC she has. She is a fragile little thing without that slow.

 

Edit 2; Yes, I sometimes think about things after I post on them. Shush. How about this. Make her number 3 skill her number 1, and split her number 4 between both 3 and 4. Her new 3 is a CC skill that reduces enemy movement speed by 50% for 30 seconds w/ duration scaling, and her 4 doubles the damage they take while retaining the explosion when they die? Though the range and damage is scaled back so it isn't quite so obscene... Her old 1?... What about it? I have her number 1 on all my frames. I call it the Carrier Sentinel's shotgun. Best of all, I don't need power to use it. 

 

And before anyone says her number 1 would be OP, I assure you that it doesn't have to cost 25. There are plenty of abilities in this game that break the mold with power cost. Nova could be the first frame with a 1 power that costs more than 25... Still be worth it, though. 

I am not opposed to the idea of Nova being a frame that has very powerful abilities but needs to cast abilities often and burn through energy.  I actually like that idea a lot and I don't think people would mind so much if her 1 was nixed.

Edited March 24, 2014 by RealPandemonium

[PneumaticHat]

How about we make Nova an excellent Frame for killing off basic mobs, and lessen the damage of MPrime versus Leader units? This would keep the amazing fun of exploding an entire roomful of enemies for the good of the squad, while leaving everyone else something to shoot. Solve two problems at once and give it a % chance to make dead guys drop small energy orbs.

 

Get really fancy and have the power absorb the element of whatever sets off the explosion, i.e. toxic, fire, rad, etc. Properly mix the explosions and elements to stun Leaders. That one's free, DE.

 

Nova has powers that actively help everyone. Nerf those powers? No way. Fit them to a more interesting role, and encourage the entire squad to participate? Absolutely.

[(PSN)Keiji_Haku]

Id like to point out that even though novas mprime is powerful shes is pretty damn fragile at least for certain builds

[Prodromata]

I'm a Nova Specialist. I just dropped in to say this: Aside from Null Star, Molecular Prime has the least amount of potential among Nova's abilities. Wormhole has the most potential out of any ability in the game. Anti-Matter Drop...if win were not a word, but instead could be given form...

 

Honesty, I am all for Molecular Prime's 'chain reaction' being removed. Instead, when a primed target takes fatal damage, it should just be vaporized. Molecular Prime, at high levels exists only as a buff/debuff as it is. Why not remove that aspect of the ability to appease the masses? Doesn't the slow debuff effectively reduce incoming damage by 50%? Prime does seem to be packing if that is a factor. 

 

How can I love Nova and say this!? Simple. I have two ability slots. Molecular Prime isn't good enough to earn a place in one.

[ThePresident777]

It is assumed that the masses do not enjoy Nova.  Considering how popular she is in actual use as opposed to forums, I'd say the masses are not interested in seeing Nova nerfed.  There is also the fact that Nova was on the Market's Popular list for a long time, much longer than any other Warframe.  A lot of people spent good money for Nova.

 

Incidentally, Soma was a hot topic for nerfs too.  That has died down now that Soma has more company in the top DPS tier.  Buffs work.

 

As usual, people advocate for ruining other people's fun instead of advocating for proven business strategies such as Customer Satisfaction and Product Selection.   Next time you go buy a cup of coffee, or anything for that matter, start a nerf war in that store.  Come back here and tell us about your adventure.  I do so enjoy being entertained.

[(PSN)DAKYNNE]

All this talk just made me want to get a NOVA......

[Jazok]

I dont understand about some of the hate. In certain missions she has the ability to make the grind way quicker. She makes those boring defense maps go quite a bit quicker. While some people say thats whay we have vauban and the ogris for, to me,they are just as borng as mprime. I still appreciate thrm though because they make things go faster. :) im usually always leveling something so i dont mind if she get me xp quicker. Besides, watching everything blow up still hasnt gotten old.

[Wargasm_v2.X]

It's hilarious that some people cannot grasp that what they call "grind" others consider "gameplay."  Nova. Ruins. Gameplay.

 

In the last Devstream when Scott runs around the level showing off Melee 2.0 I seriously wanted a Nova to spawn in and spam M. Prime so by the time he gets to a damn enemy to slash at it, its's already turned into sprinkles.  Repeat this over and over again until Scott is forced to admit that :

 

1.  M Prime is stupid broken

2.  Melee 2.0 is pointless as long as some guns and frame powers trivialize gameplay

[RealPandemonium]

I dont understand about some of the hate. In certain missions she has the ability to make the grind way quicker. She makes those boring defense maps go quite a bit quicker. While some people say thats whay we have vauban and the ogris for, to me,they are just as borng as mprime. I still appreciate thrm though because they make things go faster. :) im usually always leveling something so i dont mind if she get me xp quicker. Besides, watching everything blow up still hasnt gotten old.

This.  Nova, like Trinity, is for when you want to snooze through content.  The only bad part of this is people relying on snooze-frames to get through content and giving distorted feedback to DE. 

[Wolfstorm18]

The more I read about Nova, the more I think in buiding one and spam MP all the way in every mission I got into, on purpose and just for trolling teh nerfer 1337 gang. 

 

Since I plan to dump Valkyr in the near future (with pride, worse warframe EVER), and since it will take too much time to farm thousand of oxium from one single (and uncommon) opponent (the corpus flying oxium drone) turning Zephyr into a unfeasible warframe to build, maybe a Nova can be a good addition, just for the rage of it. The issue here is just... dat helmet of her, she looks like a crazy weird bird. 

[IfritKajiTora]

I don't like NOVA:
I don't feel any fun of playing her, her last skill is the best and other compared to this are useless while fighting enemies.
There was a price from devs for those that was in TOP kills. Who get it? A Nova players that used them the most, because of easy killings :/, this have no sense at all, she destroyed the player killing ranking
When I have Nova in my squad I was angry some times to not have fun of playing, Oh there are Greeneirs BOOM! no one left ok go forward, There are group of greeniers BOOM! no one left. another greeniers :D BOOM!    GOD  DAMN IT NOVA!!!! GET THE FU** OUT!! I HATE YOU OP FRAME!!! I CAN'T KILL ANYONE ://///

Edited April 6, 2014 by IfritKajiTora