-HAKUNA-YOUR-TATAS- Posted June 16, 2015 Share Posted June 16, 2015 (edited) (This topic was originally merged into the Excal Re-Work megathread, where it didn't belong. [DE]Danielle has reviewed the intent of this thread and is allowing me to repost the discussion here.) My original post is here:I'm really happy about the Excalibur Re-Work though I will miss super jump, etc. like many of you who've played him for the past couple years in his current form.It seems to me that he will be more powerful (beyond simply better) with the re-work.I know he's our poster-boy frame, but do you guys/gals still feel that he should be one of the starting Warframes?If not Excalibur who then?Please discuss. =)For those who replied earlier, apologies. Please discuss. I'd love to hear what you all think and I think it's a good discussion to have. Edited June 18, 2015 by sushidubya Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedEyedRaven Posted June 16, 2015 Share Posted June 16, 2015 (edited) Why should he not stay a starter-Warframe? Volt and Mag are starters and look how powerful they can be, and Loki was a starter-frame too for quite some time (the one I started with). Edited June 16, 2015 by RedEyedRaven Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FelisImpurrator Posted June 16, 2015 Share Posted June 16, 2015 Why not? When it comes to warframes, all of them should be viable all throughout the game (in theory) - starter shouldn't be shorthand for less powerful with something this constant. This is a good thing, really. Means people won't keep going "Oh, my starter frame sucks, I'll just sell him for that Rhino over there" - and if they ever want him back, whoops, Excal is found on the other side of the solar system. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-HAKUNA-YOUR-TATAS- Posted June 16, 2015 Author Share Posted June 16, 2015 Why should he not stay a starter-Warframe? Volt and Mag are starters and look how powerful they can be, and Loki was a starter-frame too for quite some time (the one I started with). It's really a question to everyone, rather than me saying that he shouldn't be a starter frame. I'm trying to simply get a discussion going to see what everyone's thoughts are. Excalibur is everywhere in Warframe's marketing materials, and promo videos. He's kind of the "hero" of the game, and I get that. I do have concerns that because he's going to be so awesome now, if new players would have any reason to pick the other two starting frames over Excalibur. (Granted most new players don't know about how Excalibur has changed... but still..) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CGs_Knackie Posted June 16, 2015 Share Posted June 16, 2015 Each beginner will take Excal now, RIP Mag & Volt! :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(PSN)SuperRaySonic Posted June 16, 2015 Share Posted June 16, 2015 I think he should not if he is poster boy he should be hardest to get IDK... I love him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monsterwithin Posted June 16, 2015 Share Posted June 16, 2015 (edited) Mostly, why isn't there a forth starter frame? That's just on the top of my head, now back to disussion. I say "IF" Excalibur's rework turns out to be good on utility or damage that can "SCALE". Then they may want to replace him out with these following, Mag, Volt, Loki, Rhino, Ember. Edited June 16, 2015 by Monsterwithin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-HAKUNA-YOUR-TATAS- Posted June 16, 2015 Author Share Posted June 16, 2015 Why not? When it comes to warframes, all of them should be viable all throughout the game (in theory) - starter shouldn't be shorthand for less powerful with something this constant. This is a good thing, really. Means people won't keep going "Oh, my starter frame sucks, I'll just sell him for that Rhino over there" - and if they ever want him back, whoops, Excal is found on the other side of the solar system. Oh hey, I don't mean for newbie equipment to be terrible... Not that at all. I'm actually a strong advocate in the fight for a better new player experience and have been for the past 2 years. I've commented strongly against anything that I felt would leave new player at a disadvantage in my time here with Warframe. So it's not like that at all. What I'm saying is that post re-work Excalibur is not only going to be better, but significantly stronger too. I'm just wondering if he's still "a good fit" as one of the starting frames, and wanted to hear what the community thought. Each beginner will take Excal now, RIP Mag & Volt! :) Precisely... Then again, they may not be following Warframe like most of us "already playing" players, so this might not be a problem at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EmptyDevil Posted June 16, 2015 Share Posted June 16, 2015 Excalibur will be fine as a starter after the rework. Why? because mods and your knowledge of the game will determine if you'll be OP using him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreyEnneract Posted June 16, 2015 Share Posted June 16, 2015 Double jump is being added to every frame anyway. Mag is constantly needed, and scales the highest in the game (against shields). Volt also scales due to his CC, Speed, and Shield stacking. Excal will scale a bit less, with only Radial Blind being good for team play. I see no problem with him staying a starter frame. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hustler-One Posted June 16, 2015 Share Posted June 16, 2015 To me, starting as Excalibur is normal. He do is the poster boy, and that's why it's the first thing I want to see when I start the game, unlike lots of games when the poster character is a pain to get. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GDSK-NXS Posted June 16, 2015 Share Posted June 16, 2015 (edited) Why not? When it comes to warframes, all of them should be viable all throughout the game (in theory) - starter shouldn't be shorthand for less powerful with something this constant. This is a good thing, really. Means people won't keep going "Oh, my starter frame sucks, I'll just sell him for that Rhino over there" - and if they ever want him back, whoops, Excal is found on the other side of the solar system. Recruitment Channel: "SOMEONE PLEASE TAKE ME TO PLUTO BOSS EXCAL FARM!!!!!!!!!!1111111" I... I'm against this kind of things... I think he will be a perfect fit for a starting warframe. His abilities will be, like Mag and Volt, defensive/offensive in a good way. A power to escape, a power to help against tougher enemies. Powers to deal with enemies in front of you as the first ability, a radial damage to help you in the heat of battle... The only thing I think is that maybe the fourth ability will be... strong, for the new players to use. Not simply "press a button". I don't really know the true aspect of the new ability myself (I'm hoping for it since Excal is one of my favorite frames) but I think the ultimate should be a drain skill which consumes energy while time goes on and also consumes a little more energy when you use that tiny radial blind. Edited June 16, 2015 by GDSK-NXS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
osheroth Posted June 16, 2015 Share Posted June 16, 2015 Chances are new players won't have any idea how he actually works, or that he was reworked at all. They will go in, if they decide to choose him that is, with the same basic knowledge as we did (the people who chose him as the starter frame); they'll just have an "easier" time seeing how powerful he will be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheGrimCorsair Posted June 16, 2015 Share Posted June 16, 2015 Post-rework, we'll have a starter frame emphasizing long range kiting and support in Mag, a highly adaptable combatant in Volt, and a close range assault specialist in Excalibur. All three of which are really good. This seems like the Holy Grail of starter options for pretty much any game, if you ask me. Most other frames are more heavily specialized with much greater peaks and troughs in their capabilities. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sziklamester Posted June 16, 2015 Share Posted June 16, 2015 My opinion is almost every frame could be the starter the others always will missing and you need to get them. When I started I started with the Loki and he is my favorite frame for long time the nearest fav is the Oberon and Volt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drakenbob Posted June 16, 2015 Share Posted June 16, 2015 Excalibur will be fine as a starter after the rework. Why? because mods and your knowledge of the game will determine if you'll be OP using him. I think this is going to be key. I personally started with Loki, and promptly ended up selling him because I didn't know how to use him in the slightest, not had the mods to properly support him. Each beginner will take Excal now, RIP Mag & Volt! :) I don't think this will be an issue. Every player will have their preference, even veterans aren't all going to like the excal rework, so there will always be people choosing Mag and Volt. Besides, it's arguable they are both more powerful than excal in his current state, and I still see new players pick him all the time now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedEyedRaven Posted June 16, 2015 Share Posted June 16, 2015 I think he should not if he is poster boy he should be hardest to get IDK... I love him. For a new player who started with Mag or Volt, Excalibur kinda *is* the hardest to get. At least it takes a while to get to his parts on your own. Starchart-rework might change that though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-HAKUNA-YOUR-TATAS- Posted June 16, 2015 Author Share Posted June 16, 2015 Is it crazy that I think that Rhino would be a good candidate as a starting frame? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drakenbob Posted June 16, 2015 Share Posted June 16, 2015 (edited) Is it crazy that I think that Rhino would be a good candidate as a starting frame? I think this is the only frame I wouldn't like as a starter. Almost everybody I know used him extensively as a new player and I like that you have to start playing the game a bit with other frames before you are able to pick him up. Personal opinion, not trying to be confrontational. Edited June 16, 2015 by Drakenbob Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoboDoge Posted June 16, 2015 Share Posted June 16, 2015 Is it crazy that I think that Rhino would be a good candidate as a starting frame? Nah, he is too available even now. He needs to swap places with Excalibur as in which bosses drop them. Imo, half of the frames need new drop locations. Mag, Excalibur and Volt need to be on first 3 planets, so new players can easily switch frame if they dont like their choice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedEyedRaven Posted June 16, 2015 Share Posted June 16, 2015 I think this is the only frame I wouldn't like as a starter. Dunno, but considering you get his parts on Venus, Rhino kinda *feels* like an unofficial fourth starter-frame. And even then you can farm parts for Valkyr, Ash, Mag and Saryn (some very powerful frames) a lot quicker than parts from Excalibur (unless someone taxies the new player to Pluto). tbh though, I remember buying Excalibur for plat because he's so damn cheap (considering the extra-Slot and potato). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drakenbob Posted June 16, 2015 Share Posted June 16, 2015 I think my issue with Rhino is he teaches bad habits to new players. As a new player using rhino you don't really learn about roar, but rather iron skin and stomp. These skills don't teach you teamwork or survivals skills but only teach you to be impractically op in lower levels. At least with other frames as starters you understand how important simple things like movement can be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedEyedRaven Posted June 16, 2015 Share Posted June 16, 2015 (edited) I think my issue with Rhino is he teaches bad habits to new players. Vauban, Valkyr, Limbo and Loki did the same thing at some point. Do I have to remind you of bounce-trolls, switch-teleport-trolls, rip-line-trolls and banish-trolls? It's the players who come with bad habits, not the frames that are able to exploit those. Edited June 16, 2015 by RedEyedRaven Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LordOfScrugging Posted June 16, 2015 Share Posted June 16, 2015 (edited) well i think that excal should be stronger than volt and mag on account of no excal prime for non founders. if i were to pick a starter frame to replace excal, i'd probably go oberon, and maybe replace the drops from eximus with a newer frame to come while moving his parts drops to the dojo. kinda like a rotation maybe? i mean cmon, the frequency of oberon's part drops is so high that we should already be able to research him in the dojo Edited June 16, 2015 by LordOfScrugging Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eidolon_Slayer Posted June 16, 2015 Share Posted June 16, 2015 A powerful Warframe is still useless to newbies. They don't have the best mods available. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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