IX-44 Posted June 26, 2015 Share Posted June 26, 2015 I've obtained the Simulor, and from what I can gather, it's an attempt on a good idea to make it similar to Quanta's secondary combined with Vauban's Vortex. Yes, it just came out. Yes I'm judging it from only having it at Rank 15. What I've discovered is that the gun fires small orbs that, alone, have no special qualities. They bounce off players, enemies, and the environment with a range of 10 meters. When two orbs are close enough they will pull towards one another slowly until they combine. When two combine it creates a small blast that deals the weapon damage in a radius of 3 meters around the orb. When you shoot five into a group of one it creates a vortex similar to that of Vauban's Vortex ability with a radius of about 3 meters once again. Right clicking at any point creates a detonation that has a range of about 5 meters, dealing full damage. Pros: Great idea! Looks cool. Decent damage unmodded. Cons: Vortex effect takes 5 shots to activate. Vortex range cannot be changed in any way currently and is rather small as it is. Low damage in the long run. These are just off the top of my head while I'm running this Tactical Alert, so if you have anything to add to this list from your own testing, be my guest. -EirwynTelyn Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThePredicament Posted June 26, 2015 Share Posted June 26, 2015 You use a splitchamber on it yet? Does firestorm work on it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tesseract7777 Posted June 26, 2015 Share Posted June 26, 2015 (edited) Can Sinister Reach be equipped on this weapon? The question above me is good as well. While I can't think of any way to increase duration, and that makes me sad, if Sinister Reach, or Firestorm could improve the range, and Split Chamber could possibly make it shoot more orbs so you could make a vortex quicker, then maybe it could have some utility after all. I really want to try this weapon, but I'm still trying to get the standing up again for Simaris to buy it. Any info you have on what mods work on it would be really helpful! I appreciate the analysis so far by the way. Edited June 26, 2015 by Tesseract7777 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IX-44 Posted June 26, 2015 Author Share Posted June 26, 2015 (edited) No, Firestorm and Sinister Reach cannot be equipped. I'll do some testing with Split Chamber. EDIT: With Split Chamber, the vortex begins after three shots. Edited June 26, 2015 by EirwynTelyn Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tesseract7777 Posted June 26, 2015 Share Posted June 26, 2015 That's really too bad. So basically no way to increase the range or duration period. Could still have some saving grace based on how Split Chamber effects it. Thanks for testing! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Laisha Posted June 26, 2015 Share Posted June 26, 2015 (edited) Adding in more shots to an existing vortex will extend the vortex's duration. It also currently does not ragdoll enemies nor suck them in. It only sucks in dead entities and drops. Detonating the orbs/vortexes gives all enemies within the range of the blast an electric proc. Edited June 26, 2015 by Laisha Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IX-44 Posted June 26, 2015 Author Share Posted June 26, 2015 Adding in more shots to an existing vortex will extend the vortex's duration. Yes but not for very long. It only renews the duration of approximately 8 seconds. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fluttershy93 Posted June 26, 2015 Share Posted June 26, 2015 Well....this was a depressing post if i've ever seen one, here i actually thought this weapon would be nice.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OverlordMcGeek Posted June 26, 2015 Share Posted June 26, 2015 Please be hinting DE that the corpus will be receiving new units and a reason to fight them soon. Magnetic damage is a bit insulting at this point in time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DLVargas Posted June 26, 2015 Share Posted June 26, 2015 Well, the current trend for weapons is to release it weaker and buff it later, so, maybe it's like a test? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shyguyk Posted June 26, 2015 Share Posted June 26, 2015 From what i see in videos it need some strong ragdoll. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tehgilfer Posted June 26, 2015 Share Posted June 26, 2015 honestly think if firestorm worked on it that would be pretty good. no reason i can see that it wouldn't work on it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevlareater Posted June 26, 2015 Share Posted June 26, 2015 From what I've seen concerning Mirage, HoM and Simulor, the vortex is active in one shot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sea_Wall Posted June 26, 2015 Share Posted June 26, 2015 From what I've seen concerning Mirage, HoM and Simulor, the vortex is active in one shot. Doesn't count, Mirage makes every gun good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IX-44 Posted June 26, 2015 Author Share Posted June 26, 2015 Doesn't count, Mirage makes every gun good. What he said. What you're seeing are Mirage's four holograms firing an entire group of five shots, which is enough to create one vortex. Hence, Vortex in one shot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OricSharp Posted June 26, 2015 Share Posted June 26, 2015 Split Chamber feels wasted on this gun - sure, it starts the vortex effect sooner, but the initial shot (which should pretty much insta-combine, thereby dealing damage) does no damage and detonation of it continues to do no damage. Might be a bug, might be a 'this is the only way it'll work without breaking,' might be any number of things. Maybe Heavy Caliber would let them split well enough to recombine after firing? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Ellimist Posted June 26, 2015 Share Posted June 26, 2015 What he said. What you're seeing are Mirage's four holograms firing an entire group of five shots, which is enough to create one vortex. Hence, Vortex in one shot. Also has anyone been experiencing host migration constantly as soon as HoM and eclipse is used with simulor? Happens 6 times in one match (5 waves) on sechura. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HonestOrangeAppleHorse Posted June 26, 2015 Share Posted June 26, 2015 Honestly, give it ragdoll abilities and I might consider it worthwhile to use the vortex function. Really not worth sacrificing a large matrix of explosives for a weak damage over time in a tiny radius with a short duration. Otherwise, just spam and detonate immediately. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Racter Posted June 26, 2015 Share Posted June 26, 2015 Leveled it to 30, haven't forma'd it yet. I was expecting a primary version of the Synoid Gammacor from the looks and was disappointed it was not that. Then after looking at it, I thought 'weak, magnetic damage Torid?' Then I used it and kind of continued thinking that. It's like the Penta and Torid had a weak magnetic baby. Having said that, the gun is actually pretty neat/fun to use, if a bit clunky. The base damage is also pretty meh on the arsenal screen, but it seemed to do like 10x what the shown damage was so who knows. Pros - looks awesome, fun to play around with, no self damage Cons - Low magnetic base damage, kind of clunky and unreliable if you need to kill something immediately or from any sort of range beyond like 20m Overall? I like it. I'll probably throw a bunch of forma at it to see what happens. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keltik0ne Posted June 26, 2015 Share Posted June 26, 2015 (edited) Funnoest thing I read about this wep was in the founder chat channel: "DE has broken physics, this thing sucks and blows at the same time" I'd give credit to someone, but they made me spill coffee on my keyboard. Edited June 26, 2015 by Keltik0ne Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eric1738 Posted June 26, 2015 Share Posted June 26, 2015 from my testing runs, "merge" explosion does 170 base damage without multishot, and 190 with maxed multishot. i think there must be some bugs here. also i'd like to see the "balls" actually sucked by enemies, not reflected by them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kalenath Posted June 26, 2015 Share Posted June 26, 2015 (edited) Ok, what is causing it to scan enemies? I have NO idea what its doing it, the Vortex or the proc. All I know is that some enemies give Simaris rep and others don't. I HAD wondered why it only had 100 charges. Odd that is the EXACT same number as Synthesis Scanner charges... But then it picks up rifle ammo. I think. Was a little busy during the TA. I'll do some testing. Edited June 26, 2015 by Kalenath Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
[DE]Momaw Posted June 26, 2015 Share Posted June 26, 2015 (gravi = gravity thingy) 1.) The fact that you can detonate the gravi while it's in flight is nice, but they fly quickly relative to their actual AOE radius when doing this. Making it so that the gravi sticks to things on impact instead of bouncing off would make this a much nicer to use mechanic. 2.) Feedback from the weapon is very disappointing. It just kind of chirps and enemies fall over dead. A visual shockwave that indicates an explosion took place, combined with adding ragdoll to bodies killed by it, would make it feel more meaty. Also no visual feedback for how long an active singularity has on its duration. Perhaps effects could die down as it gets closer to collapse. 3.) The gravity well mode feels basically pointless. The radius is tiny, the damage is mediocre, and enemies aren't fazed by it at all. Suggest that it be possible to keep pumping gravi into an active singularity to increase its size/damage radius while reducing its duration. At 10 shots (i.e. empty the magazine), the singularity reaches its maximum size and immediately explodes with devastating force and large damage radius, while sucking in all the bodies and loot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paradoxbomb Posted June 27, 2015 Share Posted June 27, 2015 Pros: -Damage is pretty decent -Detonation has a 100% chance to proc a status effect (Magnetic, Electricity, or an element you added) -Pretty ammo efficient despite it's smaller than average ammo reserve -The premise and design alone are worth points Cons: -Extremely short range -Damage seems to be a bit sporadic (at least in my experience) -Neither Terminal Velocity nor Firestorm can be used to improve it -The vortex is nearly useless: minor damage and no CC. Nothing more than a glorified loot vacuum at present I really want to like this gun, the idea of shooting miniature black holes reminds me of the Rift Ripper from Ratchet and Clank 3, and for what it's worth it is a decent gun at best. Unfortunately the short range and the fact that the main selling point of the gun, the black holes, are pretty much worthless kinda makes it feel a lot less interesting of a weapon than it should be. Max range of the projectiles should be kicked up to 15-20m, Terminal Velocity and Firestorm should be equippable, and if making the vortexes ragdoll enemies is a bit OP than at the very least the DoT could be bumped up and it could reduce their movement speed as they pass by. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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