Does A Warframe Exist That's Worse Then Ember?

[DrakeRaids]

I was about to reply to the warframe needing reworks topic, and I had a thought that I decided probably warranted a different topic. I was trying to think of a Warframe that is, as they are currently used, in a worse spot then Ember is. I found myself gasping at straws. Certainly none of the newer frames, of them Limbo is probably the weakest, and he still has better options then Ember does. Hydroids is better then Ember, I'd say, and even with Parkor 2.0 Zeyphrs 2 and 4 alone are enough to make her more valuable then Ember.

Saryn maybe? Is she worse then Ember?

[Gostteam]

mag

[(PSN)crow5716]

mag

 

Mag is 450% better than Ember

[-S--Nightmaric]

mag

Mag is OP AF with her 2nd..Just destroyes any courps :D

Ember bad? nope she's godlike with spamming her 4th and 2nd

[--F--NerevarCM]

mag

 

Nah, with Shield Polarize, she is a beast against Corpus and can be used in the Void. But Ember....

[DrakeRaids]

Mag is OP AF with her 2nd..Just destroyes any courps :DEmber bad? nope she's godlike with spamming her 4th and 2nd

Whose worse then her? Not going to argue what she's good at or how she does it. Just, whose less desirable then Ember?

[Husla]

Saryn maybe? Is she worse then Ember?

BAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

 

Only frame, I'd say is Limbo or Zephyr

[Landernight]

Ember isn't bad at all, her skills do need some tweaks though, mostly just fireblast.

[TheBrsrkr]

Nekros, maybe.

[DrakeRaids]

Ember isn't bad at all, her skills do need some tweaks though, mostly just fireblast.

Not arguing if she's bad or not. Not what this is here for. Who do you feel is less desirable to have then Ember.

[-SHARDS-]

Nekros, maybe.

Desecrate is worth more than 10 Embers at the same time. Good thing there can't be 10 of them at once, that would be a disaster...

[painterman]

Worse i dont think so, each frame has his/her adbantages/weakness. But worse to mod? i dont think so, for me its just a mess with a ult based in all of the atributes while having other things that benefith for high efficien/low duration builds. Maybe equinox its a the top 2, and also banshee but with those you can get a prety straighforward build with max range, normal/min duration and a bit of streng for the compensation of overxtended.

[_Medo_]

Hydroid. Outside of farming for loot he is COMPLETELY USELESS Imo. You think he is good at CC ? Other frames do it much better. he heals allies with his pool augment ? we have trinity for that. so hydroid is now a lonely frame gathering dust in everyone's inventory

[WorstPlayer]

lol

[Swailwort]

BAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Only frame, I'd say is Limbo or Zephyr

Zephyr has godlike survivability and mobility, and her ulti does a lot of sustained damage (up to 40k in a span of 20 seconds)

That makes her absolutely better than half the frames in the game.

[ValkyrTheSoviet]

Ember = Best anti-infested frame.

 

Mag = Best anti-corpus frame.

[(PSN)TheAce37]

Mag just needs bullet attractor changed

Ember needs ring of fire to be made mobile and her damage boost from accelarant increased,and to be given the frost treatment of her power one going in a cone and her power 4 having a 100% fire proc

Sayrn needs a whole new power set

Limbo needs a redesign and a general balance change

Volt needs his power 4 buffed

Vaubans Bounce needs to be changed as bullet jump makes it redundant

Chroma needs his power 1 and 4 to give a guaranteed proc

Rhino needs more armor like valkyr but to also have his speed decreased

Hydroid needs an entire new power set

Zephyr needs her powers reworked

Power 1 would be a knockdown like banshees power one but it would rag doll like jat kittag.

Power 2 would be turbulence

Power 3 would be tornado

Power 4 would enter flight mode and give her arch wing controls.. She would shoot out gusts of wind from her wings (like exals eb Waves) this would have a drain

Nekros.

desecrate needs to be removed.

New power 4:

Transforms into a giant creature (looks like atlas power 4 but nekros IS the golem

Edited September 20, 2015 by (PS4)TheAce37

[4G3NT_0R4NG3]

 

Ember's survivability is her biggest problem. Her damage isn't terrible, although it still falls off at higher levels. Completely unmodded, combining World on Fire with Accelerant will result in 1000 damage per blast, which is increased to 4500 if you get a fire proc. Her CC is alright as well, with Fire Blast's massive knockback and 100% fire proc chance. That doesn't really mean anything though if an Ancient can stub his toe on Ember and kill her. I'd suggest making all of her abilities have a 100% fire proc chance every time they deal damage. This would both increase her total damage output, easing the falloff, and indirectly increase her survivability by giving her better CC.

 

Also, it's pretty clear to me that everyone saying Zephyr is useless hasn't played her for more than 5 minutes after U17, and even then, 5 minutes is probably a bit of a stretch. The 3 key on your keyboard would have to be broken, most likely. Parkour-2.0-made-Zephyr-useless is a bandwagon that people with absolutely zero Zephyr experience jump on just because "it's the thing to do." You would be amazed at the level of finesse required to effectively use Zephyr's mobility tools, and I would suggest actually mastering a frame's nuanced mechanics before forever writing them off as garbage. I'd probably think the Sniper from TF2 was a worthless class if I didn't know that headshots were a thing.

[(XBOX)Skode]

Rhino and Hydroid worse than Ember IMO - i never try to use either on latter planets, its just not worth it but Ember has her worth in defense based mission or good old exterminate.

[Riot_Inducer]

The only one I would say is really in a bad spot would be Hydroid honestly. He's supposed to be all about CC but his CC is spotty at best and other frames outpace it by miles, hell Ember has better CC capability, especially with WoF's augment.

[(PSN)abb12355]

BAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Only frame, I'd say is Limbo or Zephyr

The ignorance in this post shows you have absolutely 0 experience with these frames. Continue playing your Rhino

[RealPandemonium]

Ember combines ability direct damage and CC in a way no other frame can.   If you wanna play a direct damage dealer, Ember is your frame.  Her damage is high, and she can lock down wide areas using Accelerant and Heat procs (which WoF automatically distributes for you.)  Build for strength,  max efficiency and some bonus range.  One duration mod is enough to make WoF do its job.  Fireball headshots do good damage to heavies.  Be sure to put fire damage on your weapons, and bring weapons that can shred enemy armor effectively for late game Grineer.

 

The only thing that can slow Ember down is large numbers of Nullifiers and Eximus auras.  Radiation procs can help you disable enemy auras, including those of  Ancient Healers/Disruptors.

 

Properly set up, playing Ember is a lot of fun while also being effective.  It's nice to be strong in later game content while also not making the game boring as hell with lazy permaCC.  

[(PSN)MrNishi]

I would say Limbo is worse, only because DE keep lowering his effectiveness.

He has taken Trinity's place if what get's nerfed next.

Basically all of his abilities have been made anit-Trial: Law of Retribution.

-Cannot carry Trition Batteries in Rift nor use Cataclysm to protect bomb carrier as that drops Battery

-Cannot stand on Pads to open objective doors nor Puzzle in Rift: so no Riftwalk nor Cataclysm.

-Cannot Hack terminals in Rift: so no RiftWalk nor Cataclysm

Since Limbo and his allies cannot be in Rift: RiftWalk and Cataclysm are not useful nor is Rift Surge.

Which leaves banish: It can basically be used as a single target knockdown.

-Banished targets can still hack consoles....even though Limbo and Allies that are banished(in rift) cannot hack consoles (Basically allows an enemy to hack a terminal without being damaged since Limbo &Allies will not be in the same plane to damage the banished enemy)

Limbo can basically just be a bomb carrier, except he does not have the preferred highest energy pools.

Spy 2.0, Rescue, and to a lesser extent Mobiled Defense/Excavation have similar issues with his abilities.

If Limbo(or allies) could carry items in rift, hack terminals, or stand on objective pads(buttons)....he would be exponentially more useful.

Ember's abilites still provide more utilty than Limbo for current Trial, plus her augments are more team-friendly.

[(PSN)CoolD2108]

Definitly mag. But that aside, no, none.

Mags shield pola is straight outa this world but that's her only string she hangs on. Her overall kit is just HORRIBLE....

[Chroia]

Bullet Attractor would like a word with you.

Admittedly Shield Polarize outscales it, once you amass a solid mod base, but Bullet Attractor is your anti-heavy for quite a while.

As several Hyenas recently found out when swarmed by MR<10 players, their allies and their own bullets. :)

Granted, Mag's niche. But she owns her niche. Aside from Nullifiers.

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Ember combines ability direct damage and CC in a way no other frame can.

Depends on the dituation, obviously, buy I think Maim Equinox may outshine her. Edited September 20, 2015 by Chroia