(XBOX)TW15T3D T3N0 Posted September 15, 2016 Share Posted September 15, 2016 Ash was my first Prime Frame and yes I built for Bladestorm. Yes it is OP but so is so many other frames abilities, look a Hrydroid with those tenticals. The end of the day bladestorm is useful in certain situations and on certain missions. But to say Ash is useless without it is plain stupid, his seeking shrunken is amazing and he can be built for stealth with fatal teleport aug, which I find more fun the bladestorming enimes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(XBOX)Tanta Cinta Posted September 15, 2016 Share Posted September 15, 2016 I literally cannot use ash anymore. 6 forma for an all out build and he just doesn't satisfy me anymore. I hope his fixing will change this because now I have a new love for CC frames. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(XBOX)Tanta Cinta Posted September 15, 2016 Share Posted September 15, 2016 (edited) 17 minutes ago, (XB1)TW15T3D T3N0 said: Ash was my first Prime Frame and yes I built for Bladestorm. Yes it is OP but so is so many other frames abilities, look a Hrydroid with those tenticals. The end of the day bladestorm is useful in certain situations and on certain missions. But to say Ash is useless without it is plain stupid, his seeking shrunken is amazing and he can be built for stealth with fatal teleport aug, which I find more fun the bladestorming enimes Hydroids Tentacle Swarm isn't OP at all. It's a static ability that only affects targets in range. Bladestorm is a mobile ability that affects a certain amount of enemies depending on range. Edited September 15, 2016 by (XB1)OTF SERENiTY Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Madway7 Posted September 15, 2016 Share Posted September 15, 2016 7 hours ago, BlackTiger777 said: If ash is nerf he is nothing and will not be useful anymore why the nerf so people stop talking stupid opinions from ash cause he is fine like he is now and is very usefull right now . I disagree about the nerf What if nerf is not kill? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Helch0rn Posted September 15, 2016 Share Posted September 15, 2016 Every rework so far was good I doubt the bladestorm rework will end horribly Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kothophed Posted September 15, 2016 Share Posted September 15, 2016 If they nerf BS, they should buff lethal teleport so it locks onto enemies, in effect making it a more interactive, more strategic and less cheesy BS. I tried lethal Ash but if I misaimed the reticule by a hair's breadth, I would end up right in front of the enemy, who would proceed to pound me into jam. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(XBOX)Death To AR Posted September 15, 2016 Share Posted September 15, 2016 Dude no one wanted Mesa to be screwed over and be nerfed twice... But it happened Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(XBOX)Death To AR Posted September 15, 2016 Share Posted September 15, 2016 Are you from the past? Cause Mesa ain't like that no more Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xaero Posted September 15, 2016 Share Posted September 15, 2016 Just now, (XB1)Death To AR said: Are you from the past? Cause Mesa ain't like that no more You don't have your secondary modded, are you? Peacemaker depends on the secondary mods. Make something like this: and give it a try. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rakosta_Kai Posted September 15, 2016 Share Posted September 15, 2016 It's probably not going to get nerfed—so relax. It IS going to get changed... But if DE wanted to simply nerf it, they'd have done that already. I'm just hoping they come up with an elegant and engaging replacement that respects the core intent and flavor of the current skill. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(PSN)joshw1400 Posted September 15, 2016 Share Posted September 15, 2016 25 minutes ago, (XB1)Death To AR said: Are you from the past? Cause Mesa ain't like that no more And apparently you're from the past because mesa was buffed a long time ago -_- Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heckzu Posted September 15, 2016 Share Posted September 15, 2016 13 hours ago, Lighter2017 said: I want a warframe that can kill level 80 enemies ffs Ash can instantly kill enemies of any level by using teleport, so there's no need for bladestorm. Other frames who can kill level 80s somewhat reliably include Excalibur, Valkyr, Wukong, Mesa, Titania, Trinity, Nova, Frost, Ivara, etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kotsender_Quasimir Posted September 15, 2016 Share Posted September 15, 2016 (edited) ash can be nerf. and will. Edited September 15, 2016 by Kotsender_Quasimir Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(PSN)joshw1400 Posted September 15, 2016 Share Posted September 15, 2016 I mean look at Saryn. She's a beast now. Ash's bladestorm rework can't be that bad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heckzu Posted September 15, 2016 Share Posted September 15, 2016 1 hour ago, (XB1)Death To AR said: Are you from the past? Cause Mesa ain't like that no more Mesa's much stronger now than she was before the rework. I usually only run 185% power strength on Mesa, and my peacemaker easily hits 20k+ damage per shot, and keep in mind how fast it fires. Now tell me, how much power strength did the old Mesa take to reach such numbers? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zeiss17 Posted September 15, 2016 Share Posted September 15, 2016 14 hours ago, BlackTiger777 said: If ash is nerf he is nothing and will not be useful anymore why the nerf so people stop talking stupid opinions from ash cause he is fine like he is now and is very usefull right now . I disagree about the nerf The whole community thinks otherwise. Whop whop It's NERF HAMMER TIME! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silence00 Posted September 15, 2016 Share Posted September 15, 2016 I love Ash. Easily one of my favorite frames, but let me say that Bladestorm is @(*()$ annoying as hell. It's mindless, the camera work is nauseating, and it locks up enemies in invulnerability for far too long... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MudShadow Posted September 15, 2016 Share Posted September 15, 2016 Ash should send two shadows out to bladestorm but allow the player to retain control of the character ( ie don't put the player into a bladestorm animation lock). Also remove the invulnerability from targets which are hit by Bladestorm so that Ash (and Teammates) can still deal damage to them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bloop Posted September 15, 2016 Share Posted September 15, 2016 (edited) Let's call a rework that should prevent you from killing everything while your team does nothing a nerf. Let's call a rework that should prevent you from being 24/7 in an animation a nerf. Let's call every press 4 to win rework a nerf. Yey. Because he totally doesn't have armor stripping (Sheeking Shuriken), infinite scaling (Fatal teleport + Covert Lethality) and team support (Smoke Shadow, although the range is sorta small in my opinion). Making a warframe not to be a press 4 to win =/= Nerfing the warframe. Edited September 15, 2016 by Izurisah Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(PSN)Tactless_Ninja Posted September 15, 2016 Share Posted September 15, 2016 I have exclusive info that no one else knows about! Not even me!! Apparently Ash's new bladestorm summons a large baby painted like a clown. It childishly giggles and bats at the air before dispelling. Ash then falls over and dies from Hypernatremia. An ability that sacrifices a revive to work? DE has truly done it again! Brava. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
achromos Posted September 15, 2016 Share Posted September 15, 2016 9 hours ago, I_AM_JUGS said: i agree with ash's change, don't agree with your sentiment, ash should be able to kill these targets, it'd be stupid if he couldn't cause he's an assassin... they kill that's what they're for. titania is a freaking fairy, why would it make sense for them to kill? if she can do it then so should ash. Never said I didn't want ash to deal damage,. Just if he is tickling a enemy 12 times with his ult and making the mission take 30 seconds longer,. While I have a gun that could one shot it... I just don't want to sit there and watch because he makes the enemy invincible Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rakosta_Kai Posted September 15, 2016 Share Posted September 15, 2016 1 minute ago, (PS4)Tactless_Ninja said: An ability that sacrifices a revive to work? DE has truly done it again! Brava. NIN in FFXI had a skill that did just that. ...Let's not give them ideas. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PsiWarp Posted September 15, 2016 Share Posted September 15, 2016 You can disagree but it ain't gonna stop change. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WERElektro Posted September 15, 2016 Share Posted September 15, 2016 Why is this trainwreck of a thread still here? Anyway.... They nerf things because they want to achieve a certain lvl of balance (now we can question wether they're doing this right or wrong). balance is good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-HAKUNA-YOUR-TATAS- Posted September 15, 2016 Share Posted September 15, 2016 He can and will be nerfed.. Just because everyone and their kubrows wants him that way. LOL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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