Arc-Vector Posted February 23, 2017 Share Posted February 23, 2017 I was excited when i first heard about Helios Prime, DE were trying to encourage players to use sentinels other than Carrier prime, so i was hoping for its E.HP to be comparable to Carrier prime, but now that I've seen the stats, i'm not sure if i'm even gonna build it. i did some calculations comparing it to the 3 sentinels with the highest E.HP: (Effective HP includes armor and shield, and calculated with 2 defensive mods equipped) Carrier prime: 2720 EHP Wyrm prime / Prisma Shade : 1800 EHP Helios prime : 1460 EHP Looks like i'm still stuck with Carrier prime... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chipputer Posted February 23, 2017 Share Posted February 23, 2017 Yeah, they refuse to change Carrier Prime's stats, for some reason. While I don't actually have issues with my sentinels dying, personally, the discrepancy is ridiculous. Though Wyrm Prime's shields more than make up for its lowered health in all situations except where there are lots of slash procs and toxin damage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(XBOX)EternalDrk Mako Posted February 23, 2017 Share Posted February 23, 2017 3 minutes ago, Arc-Vector said: I was excited when i first heard about Helios Prime, DE were trying to encourage players to use sentinels other than Carrier prime, so i was hoping for its E.HP to be comparable to Carrier prime, but now that I've seen the stats, i'm not sure if i'm even gonna build it. i did some calculations comparing it to the 3 sentinels with the highest E.HP: (Effective HP includes armor and shield, and calculated with 2 defensive mods equipped) Carrier prime: 2720 EHP Wyrm prime / Prisma Shade : 1800 EHP Helios prime : 1460 EHP Looks like i'm still stuck with Carrier prime... or use prime regen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zahnny Posted February 23, 2017 Share Posted February 23, 2017 1 minute ago, Chipputer said: Yeah, they refuse to change Carrier Prime's stats, for some reason. While I don't actually have issues with my sentinels dying, personally, the discrepancy is ridiculous. Though Wyrm Prime's shields more than make up for its lowered health in all situations except where there are lots of slash procs and toxin damage. You forgot the part where DE nerfs anything that challenges the Carrier. removed Artax rivens because it's too "weak" dispite latos and etc having rivens. R.I.P Lanka Diriga you made me smile when DE would not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NightmareT12 Posted February 23, 2017 Share Posted February 23, 2017 Just now, (Xbox One)EternalDrk Mako said: or use prime regen And even normal regen, specially if you use shields and redirected deflection on Helios. You just gotta make choices! 2 minutes ago, Chipputer said: Yeah, they refuse to change Carrier Prime's stats, for some reason. While I don't actually have issues with my sentinels dying, personally, the discrepancy is ridiculous. Though Wyrm Prime's shields more than make up for its lowered health in all situations except where there are lots of slash procs and toxin damage. I don't have an issue with Wyrm Prime having those shield values, it's just you see base Wyrm and cry... Hopefully shield gating will make it shine even more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chipputer Posted February 23, 2017 Share Posted February 23, 2017 Just now, Zahnny said: You forgot the part where DE nerfs anything that challenges the Carrier. removed Artax rivens because it's too "weak" dispite latos and etc having rivens. R.I.P Lanka Diriga you made me smile when DE would not. Prisma Burst Laser, Artax, and Gas+Crit Vulklok are still better than Sweeper Prime any day, if you ask me. Hek, give me a Deconstructor over it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arc-Vector Posted February 23, 2017 Author Share Posted February 23, 2017 1 minute ago, (Xbox One)EternalDrk Mako said: or use prime regen I do, and the problem is still there, Helios prime with Primed regen will be OK, , Carrier Prime with Primed regen is almost indestructible... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skaleek Posted February 23, 2017 Share Posted February 23, 2017 7 minutes ago, Chipputer said: Prisma Burst Laser, Artax, and Gas+Crit Vulklok are still better than Sweeper Prime any day, if you ask me. Hek, give me a Deconstructor over it. If you get sweeper P to 100% status, it destroys everything.... Shotgun 100% status and whatnot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(XBOX)EternalDrk Mako Posted February 23, 2017 Share Posted February 23, 2017 Just now, NightmareT12 said: And even normal regen, specially if you use shields and redirected deflection on Helios. You just gotta make choices! I don't have an issue with Wyrm Prime having those shield values, it's just you see base Wyrm and cry... Hopefully shield gating will make it shine even more. Just now, Arc-Vector said: I do, and the problem is still there, Helios prime with Primed regen will be OK, , Carrier Prime with Primed regen is almost indestructible... thought prime one granted a high invulnerability , and regardless its invulnerability .... i use all sentinals just fine as is , i find them all useful on different frames personally Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chipputer Posted February 23, 2017 Share Posted February 23, 2017 1 minute ago, Skaleek said: If you get sweeper P to 100% status, it destroys everything.... Shotgun 100% status and whatnot. If you're lucky enough to get a riven to do it with then be my guest. But I don't have one so I'll stick to the better options until I get one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rambit23Z Posted February 23, 2017 Share Posted February 23, 2017 17 minutes ago, Arc-Vector said: Carrier Prime with Primed regen is almost indestructible... I wish... It can't even last through a Kuva Flood. Even with max survivability and Primed Regen, sentinels still die if they get breathed on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AerinSol Posted February 23, 2017 Share Posted February 23, 2017 (edited) But it's coupled with the greatest Sentinel weapon that ever has been because of the 666 bugs it has. Glaive throw with 5x throw damage than what is listed. Stealth attacks that are prevalent with it. Melee mod usage. And the ridiculously high head-shot only mechanism it has. Edited February 23, 2017 by AerinSol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shut Posted February 23, 2017 Share Posted February 23, 2017 14 minutes ago, AerinSol said: Glaive throw with 5x throw damage than what is listed. Wait, what? This is the first time I've heard of this. The only overpowered Deconstructor bug that I've heard of was the one where it fires a bazillion times faster when equipped by any sentinel that isn't Helios. Could you elaborate on this a bit more? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AerinSol Posted February 23, 2017 Share Posted February 23, 2017 9 minutes ago, SortaRandom said: Wait, what? This is the first time I've heard of this. The only overpowered Deconstructor bug that I've heard of was the one where it fires a bazillion times faster when equipped by any sentinel that isn't Helios. Could you elaborate on this a bit more? I'll try to find the vid of it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chipputer Posted February 23, 2017 Share Posted February 23, 2017 12 minutes ago, SortaRandom said: Wait, what? This is the first time I've heard of this. The only overpowered Deconstructor bug that I've heard of was the one where it fires a bazillion times faster when equipped by any sentinel that isn't Helios. Could you elaborate on this a bit more? I try to tell people, all the time, that Deconstructor is unintentionally overpowered for no discernible reason and people refuse to listen. Hopefully @AerinSol helps you see the light, too. Top it off, it has great status chance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AerinSol Posted February 23, 2017 Share Posted February 23, 2017 Days old. No wonder it took me a while to find it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AerinSol Posted February 23, 2017 Share Posted February 23, 2017 Although I can't replicate the Deconstructor on other sentinels bug yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chipputer Posted February 23, 2017 Share Posted February 23, 2017 1 minute ago, AerinSol said: Although I can't replicate the Deconstructor on other sentinels bug yet. It's a lot easier if you delete all weapons except the Deconstructor. By that I mean, it's pretty much a 100% chance. I can't part with my multi-forma'd sentinel weapons, though, so I end up spending an hour clicking randomize whenever I want to mess with it. Heh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AerinSol Posted February 23, 2017 Share Posted February 23, 2017 Just now, Chipputer said: It's a lot easier if you delete all weapons except the Deconstructor. By that I mean, it's pretty much a 100% chance. I can't part with my multi-forma'd sentinel weapons, though, so I end up spending an hour clicking randomize whenever I want to mess with it. Heh Aw. I want to keep the Prime laser rifle for keeps. My Prisma Burst Laser is godly with the Diriga's Calculated Shot+Primed Elemental#'s Riven. And my Stinger is pure nostalgia since the Djinn was my first sentinel. I grinded the hell out for it before the other sentinels. But had no plat for catalyst/reactors so it shows 31% the Wyrm someone gifted me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shut Posted February 24, 2017 Share Posted February 24, 2017 (edited) 2 hours ago, AerinSol said: Days old. No wonder it took me a while to find it. Thanks for the link! I hadn't considered at all that the listed damage might not be the actual throw damage, since it's classified as a glaive. Regarding the stealth multiplier thing, though-- one thing that kinda bugged me is that he didn't show the Deconstructor hitting the enemy without a gas build. If the Gas build kills enemies more quickly than other builds by one or two orders of magnitude, then would've been a clear sign that stealth multipliers are at play. I'll see if I can test this out ingame. EDIT: Just tested it out, using Excalibur to control whether the enemy is in a forced-stealth-multiplier state or not. My findings: - Blinding the enemy had no effect on Deconstructor's damage. - Damage from the weapon itself barely tickled the enemy. - For ARMORED enemies, Slash and Gas DoTs took out a sizeable chunk of health per tick. Heat procs were weaker. - For UNARMORED enemies, Slash and Heat DoTs took out a sizeable chunk of health per tick. Gas procs practically instakilled them. My conclusion: - Deconstructor appears to always have stealth multipliers active. This means that it's a friggin' beast if you can proc Slash and/or Gas reliably. Edited February 24, 2017 by SortaRandom Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chipputer Posted February 24, 2017 Share Posted February 24, 2017 30 minutes ago, SortaRandom said: Thanks for the link! I hadn't considered at all that the listed damage might not be the actual throw damage, since it's classified as a glaive. Regarding the stealth multiplier thing, though-- one thing that kinda bugged me is that he didn't show the Deconstructor hitting the enemy without a gas build. If the Gas build kills enemies more quickly than other builds by one or two orders of magnitude, then would've been a clear sign that stealth multipliers are at play. I'll see if I can test this out ingame. It's somehow benefiting from stealth multipliers. Even without gas you can still get headshot and stealth boosted slash procs every second shot of every three shot burst, so setting your Deconstructor up for, say, Blast/Elec will either give you CC or a super high damage bleed proc. The weapon is super versatile and very strong for what it is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shut Posted February 24, 2017 Share Posted February 24, 2017 (edited) 5 minutes ago, Chipputer said: It's somehow benefiting from stealth multipliers. Even without gas you can still get headshot and stealth boosted slash procs every second shot of every three shot burst, so setting your Deconstructor up for, say, Blast/Elec will either give you CC or a super high damage bleed proc. The weapon is super versatile and very strong for what it is. Yeah, I just finished testing and saved my findings a moment ago. Gas builds are friggin' hilarious with this weapon; anything that isn't heavily armored practically gets vaporized if a proc lands. Edited February 24, 2017 by SortaRandom Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ashrah Posted February 24, 2017 Share Posted February 24, 2017 its not combat sentinel... i never use wepon on helios cz if he get aggron... u will lose him..dont equip wepon on sentinel... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chipputer Posted February 24, 2017 Share Posted February 24, 2017 Sentinels only really draw direct aggro when you're down so that whole, "don't put a weapon on them or else they'll die," thing needs to stop. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ranks21 Posted February 24, 2017 Share Posted February 24, 2017 11 hours ago, Chipputer said: Sentinels only really draw direct aggro when you're down so that whole, "don't put a weapon on them or else they'll die," thing needs to stop. sentinels with weapons ( especially ones with ranged attacks) will always be killed>> the enemies always returns fire when fired upon. artax while it's decent, only has the cold (slow stun) going for it so a max status duration mod makes it viable at higher levels. but at those higher levels poison gas, sapping pods, fire waves (eximus) or corpus tech will INSTAKILL that sentinel. most high level players never equip a rifle on their sentinel because they want the precept not the attack from them. this is why when you go into pubs and play amongst/with others and their sentinel dies they rather take a death ( begging actually) than to play without one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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