DE just wrote themselves into a corner

[Joezone619]

Sentients now "adapt" to limbos stasis in the rift, limbo controls void, sentients are weak to void as it is in the lore, the ONE thing they cant adapt to.

now they can adapt to void energy as they can adapt to stasis, and stasis only affects inside the void. therefore they adapt to the void.

 

Gas City is pointless, amalgams were design to discover a way to fuse sentient and biology to make void resistance, and failed. now theres no point as they just threw its story into the trash

Im livid.

[(XBOX)Shodian]

The rift is not the void. The rift is the space between the current plane and the void. So no, they did not write themselves into a corner.

 

[Joezone619]

the rift is a plane made of void energy, hense why you regen energy by being inside it, therefore sentients shouldn't be capable of adapting to it, since its still void energy, DE made the rules, and now they shattered them into a million pieces.

[Yasha-7HS]

This is Limbo, master of the Rift.

  

5 minutes ago, Joezone619 said:

the rift is a plane made of void energy, hense why you regen energy by being inside it, therefore sentients shouldn't be capable of adapting to it, since its still void energy, DE made the rules, and now they shattered them into a million pieces.

Being made out of Void energy and being the void itself are two completely different things. Such as being Coal and being Diamond, they're both constructed of pure carbon, but one is not constructed the same as the other. 

Hence, why we have abilities as Warframes from Tenno fueling them and focusing their void energy through them, yet nothing a Warframe does resets their resistances, and Tenno don't instantly eradicate them from existence like the actual Void does. 

Edited April 3, 2020 by ShichiseitenYasha

[Joezone619]

1 minute ago, ShichiseitenYasha said:

This is Limbo, master of the Rift

and the rift is made out of void energy

http://prntscr.com/rs2y2x

[Marine027]

You really belive they take care of any Lore?

Look at Valkyr, Frame states it was tortured by Alad V, those giving it its powers and rage, Deluxe states how it looked before that, technically power should be different, then the Prime Version which supposedly are normally the first one, making her powers make even less sense with her rage coming from the torture. Or when Lotus talked about Mirage like a true person only to drop later the operators onto us, now Leverian telling us Stories we are suppsoed ot believe but will never see any clue or remains about, showign them as people again?

They keep comign up with things as they go. If you believed anytihng else you are a fool.

[Caobie]

no, shodian is right. the rift is the halfway between the void and the material. hence the stronger connection to the void giving us regen. if it was the proper void we'd likely see ourselves have crazy high regen and not just 2 per however long it is. also to my understanding going fully into the void wouldnt let us see or interact with the world around us even more than rift already does, we use the void dimension to do our jumps in railjack or while heading to a mission. if we were fully going in the void as limbo i think we'd be invisible and everything would be invisible to us and the maps would be nothingness around us...maybe blue swirly stuff like we see in the load screens or the warp thing between railjack missions

though this does bring up a thought, if the orokin towers are in an area we call the void, is it a specific place in the void or is it a seperate unique "orokin void" pocket dimension type thing

Edited April 3, 2020 by Caobie

[Ryme]

They clearly did this just as a knee-jerk reaction for the event. If we're lucky, they'll suddenly decide it was a bad idea after its over and roll it back... because they listen to the players.

[Joezone619]

5 minutes ago, ShichiseitenYasha said:

Being made out of Void energy and being the void itself are two completely different things.

which doesn't matter if its still void energy, hence why your operator VOID beam is not the void, but cannot be adpated to by sentients

[Joezone619]

this is why they need to go back and clarify limbo's lore, the rift is not the void, but its made out of void energy, and sentients cant adapt to void energy, therefore they cant adapt to the rift.

while in the rift you constatly regen energy, meaning theres a constant flow of void energy going through it. its not the void, but it might as well be the way they set it up.

[Caobie]

2 minutes ago, Marine027 said:

now Leverian telling us Stories we are suppsoed ot believe but will never see any clue or remains about, showign them as people again?

maybe i shouldnt think of it this way, but my reasoning for this kind of thing is basically the orokin hid the fact that operators piloted the warframes so levarian's stories make more sense that way...that whole mirage thing is another story though...maybe it was a case like titania where a non-tenno used transference and got stuck or something? but this is off topic for this thread heh

[Yasha-7HS]

Just now, Joezone619 said:

which doesn't matter if its still void energy, hence why your operator VOID beam is not the void, but cannot be adpated to by sentients

All of our abilities are void energy. You go a step down from the real void's energy with every step, from the void itself to beings forged in the void to Warframes where the void is channeled. 

They're not adapting to the Void, they're adapting to Limbo's energy, which isn't pure enough for them not to adapt to. 

[Caobie]

4 minutes ago, Joezone619 said:

meaning theres a constant flow of void energy going through it.

the rift isnt made of void energy, its just closer to the source and thus its easier for us tenno and our warframes to channel it. its kind of like a river, near the mouth of the river where it lets out into an ocean the water is usually fairly slow and calm, relatively speaking, and nearer the source of the river tends to be faster and more rough, harder to control.

Edited April 3, 2020 by Caobie

[Joezone619]

Just now, Caobie said:

the rift isnt made of void energy, its just closer to the source and thus its easier for use tenno and our warframes to channel it.

if we can channel void energy through it, that means void energy is still in the area around us, acting as "toxin to sentients"

[Caobie]

...we can channel void energy in the material outside of the rift? does that mean the main dimension is also made of void? then how do the sentients even exist?

[Joezone619]

im talking about INSIDE the rift, it constantly regenerates energy, meaning theres constatly energy in the area TO generate.

[Caobie]

alright, then what makes you think that our warframes arent specifically designed to store, channel, and modify this void energy and mold it into shapes dictated by their design? how does the same energy gained from the void turn into both saryn's spores and frost's icicles? the energy is being changed by the frames in some way so the ability itself isnt raw void energy anymore like an operators beam. we agree there yes? alright now when in the rift the seams between realities are weaker there (forgive me stealing a quote from destiny) and thus the tools in our warframes that allow us to store, channel, and change void energy are able to work more efficiently and instead of just maintaining a level once gained are able to actively generate because the connection is stronger rather than the rift being flooded itself with void energy.

[Joezone619]

http://prntscr.com/rs3bz3 keywords being "energy slowly regenerates in the rift" not "limbo pulls void energy through slowly" implying the rift innately is made of raw void energy, or at the very least contains it, and if it contains void energy like that, sentients should at the VERY VERY least, take damage over time inside as they A) cant adapt to raw void energy and B) Since its toxic to them as stated in the octavia quest.

[Caobie]

mechanical explanations =/= lore explanations

and also consider then, that the damage type that limbo inflicts on anyone going into the void is impact damage and not void like the tenno amps. amps can indeed affect non-sentient enemies so why not go back and change limbo's damage type to void when shifting enemies to the rift then? its simply because its only closer to the void, its not made of void and it does not contain any more or less of the void than the material plane

[Ryme]

There's no lore saying we can only get energy from the void or that all energy that empowers us is void energy.

The description for Cataclysm also merely states that void energy is used to rip an opening into the Rift. Like if you used a stick of dynamite to blow open an entrance into a cave, that doesn't mean the cave is automatically made of dynamite

Edited April 3, 2020 by Ryme

[Joezone619]

1 minute ago, Caobie said:

consider then, that the damage type that limbo inflicts on anyone going into the void is impact damage and not void like the tenno amps

Left over effects, never fully updated

1 minute ago, Caobie said:

its simply because its only closer to the void, its not made of void and it does not contain any more or less of the void than the material plane

if that were true then in the material plain you'd slowly regenerate energy without energy siphon, like you can in the rift, meaning there MUST be void energy in the rift, or the means to pull it into the void, and would poison sentients.

[SpicyDinosaur]

8 minutes ago, Joezone619 said:

http://prntscr.com/rs3bz3 keywords being "energy slowly regenerates in the rift" not "limbo pulls void energy through slowly" implying the rift innately is made of raw void energy, or at the very least contains it, and if it contains void energy like that, sentients should at the VERY VERY least, take damage over time inside as they A) cant adapt to raw void energy and B) Since its toxic to them as stated in the octavia quest.

you might want to actually digest and read the other posters' posts instead of just chanting the same mantra over and over.

 

I guess my squad energy restores are made of the void. I'll just stack them on the sentients and profit!

Edited April 3, 2020 by SpicyDinosaur

[ChiefJefe]

49 minutes ago, Joezone619 said:

Sentients now "adapt" to limbos stasis in the rift, limbo controls void, sentients are weak to void as it is in the lore, the ONE thing they cant adapt to.

now they can adapt to void energy as they can adapt to stasis, and stasis only affects inside the void. therefore they adapt to the void.

This was the first thing I thought when I read that the sentients now adapt to Limbo.

Like wtf the sentients adapt to the void now. They suddenly overcame that whole being destroyed by void energy thing? We've run missions where the sentients show up in the void heavily damaged, so why aren't they taking damage in Limbos cataclysm?

[Caobie]

3 minutes ago, Joezone619 said:

slowly regenerate energy without energy siphon,

energy siphon is one of those tools i mentioned earlier, it strengthens the connection and allows a flow of energy, albeit slow.

Edited April 3, 2020 by Caobie

[(PSN)GEN-Son_17]

The rift and all beings inside it are summoned via limbo's direct power. Being an in-between plane, it makes sense that limbo can manipulate the sentients in the plane but cannot sustain them for long due to their placing a greater strain on him. The sentients are adapting to the weakening of stasis over time and the hints of void energy in the rift makes it more challenging for them.. However, the channeling of powers via void energy does not mean the power itself is void energy. It's, essentially, fuel. Therefore, it's safe to assume limbo benefits from void essence or particles in the rift but the rift itself is not very rich in void energy. Maybe?