We Really Don't Need Nullifiers Anymore

[HorridaMessor]

Today's Sortie 3 was a train wreck thanks to Nullies (God I hate them and their creator). I'm ok with the idea of special unit that shelters his teammates from our powers, but really, Nullie's buble is just a big F YOU  to anyone who uses weapons that are not bullet hoses. And today's sortie 3 was a damn fine examle of this BS. And that brings to another point - Sniper rifles are useless in this game. I allwasy wondered how my Paris P can cut through an entire row of enemies, but its arrows can't get past the bubble, when my warframe can freely move in and out. If Sniper Rifles were negating Null/Arctic bubbles that would be nice. Or just make Null's shield HP based (i.e. if I can oneshot his shield - his shieeld drops from one hit).

[MosAnted]

So your in the 3rd group like I am:P

 

i like the concept, but not the execution. IMO Comba/Scramba feel like Nullifiers done properly.

 

 I'm ok with the idea of special unit that shelters his teammates from our powers, but really, Nullie's buble is just a big F YOU  to anyone who uses weapons that are not bullet hoses. 

 

 

 

Pretty much this.

Edited January 31, 2016 by MosAnted

[Specific.Zod]

It broken because it limited damage PER shot, yet we using sniper rifle which only used because one-hit-ko (come no close to shot gun or grenade launcher) yet they swarmed us with a bubble that limited damage PER shot. I can agree with grenade launcher because it was supposed to do blast (minor damage combine together) not one single shot like sniper rifle. Some how I doubt orokin falled because they are all incompetent SoBs who can't not create a proper sniper rifle. (No built-in punch through).

Edited February 1, 2016 by Player.G

[CY13ERPUNK]

+1 OP

[(PSN)Snappy-D93]

I just use Ivara

 

[YasaiTsume]

I want Nullifiers to change abit.

Instead of raising a protective c0ck-bl0ck bubble over their allies, they should generate an aura that negates all ability effects.

Instead of raising a null zone, it creates a more defensive setup for Nullifier and his allies.

If Combas were the Offensive version version of Nullifiers with their jamming and silencing, I think Nullifiers have to be less aggressive with their mechanics. 

 

I want to remind, Nullifiers were created to prevent widespread carnage with abilities, but it doesn't allow them that softening Bubble that resists gunfire to an extent. 

 

 

This allows Stealth units like Loki to not get immediately shutdown when trying to take out their MVPs. 

[(XBOX)Beck117]

Why don't they just not let nullifiers use weapons instead?

[NezuHimeSama]

Because that doesn't solve the problem of nullifiers being boring bullet sponges that kill the pacing of the game.

[CY13ERPUNK]

I just use Ivara

 

 

nicely done tenno =]

 

but still, that is in a controlled environment... while you are in stealth... and with a high ground advantage... so... point being, nullys r still stupid units

[(PSN)Lord_Gremlin]

Problem is, nullifiers are NOT anti-power unit. You can spew rakta ballistica in their direction and world on fire does the kill. Or shield polarise. Nullifier is an anti-sniper and anti-bow unit, especially hardcore anti-sniper one. Game should NOT HAVE AN ANTI-SNIPER UNIT. Period. It's already anti-sniper by design.

Make sniper rifles pierce nullifiers shields. Bam, snipers viable and nullifiers balanced.

[(PSN)VariantX7]

I personally do not like certain aspects about this unit

 

-their shields do not follow any of the established rules of the game(not affected whatsoever by either damage amount, damage type, whether or not the weapon penetrates, or elements)

-the unit has no sense of self preservation when the bubble pops and continues to charge straight at tenno/objectives blindly as if the shield were still there. When the bubble pops, the nullifier and the units around it should scatter and then try to collect themselves back under the bubble when it reforms. The nullifier itself should run to the nearest cover until its shield begins to regenerate. They're just too aggressive for a unit that is supposed to be a support/defense unit and it winds up getting killed.

-the unit has a sniper rifle that freely allows it to attack at long ranges while tenno snipers can do absolutely nothing in return. Even bows can fire off shots rapidly just to barely stay ahead of its regeneration speed. Snipers don't have enough bullets in the chamber to pop the shield without being forced into a long reload, which gives the shield time enough to start regenerating again.

Edited February 5, 2016 by (PS4)VariantX7

[VRHmason]

Nullifiers were never needed, IMO. I've always found them to be annoying and largely pointless. 

 

annoying yes, pointless no.

 

They are needed, grineer and infested need those kinda units too

Edited February 5, 2016 by VRHmason

[(PSN)Crixus044]

Nullifiers need to stay until they nerf all our OP abilities.

Grineer and infested need Nullifiers too until that.

solution? Don't bring maxed out gear to low level missions and expect it to be balanced without trash units like Nullifiers.

[ClinkzEastwood]

solution? Don't bring maxed out gear to low level missions and expect it to be balanced without trash units like Nullifiers.

I dont think nullifiers even exist in low level missions.

Edit: Yep. Lowest level is 15.

Edited February 5, 2016 by ClinkzEastwood

[-N7-Leonhart]

We obviously still "need" them if there are still people that want them removed. When the nullifiers become like the air for every Warframe player, then we won't need them.

[Herosupport]

the bubble should cease to be a bullet sponge and just block warframe abilities.

[VentiGlondi]

Well there we go again. A rather challenging Sortie and all QQ come here and complain about Nullifiers. They are fine.

People complained about nullifiers ever since they were added to the game.

And it's always the shield part that people complain about.

[(PSN)Crixus044]

I dont think nullifiers even exist in low level missions.

Edit: Yep. Lowest level is 15.

compared to maxed out gear, made for level 30 and above, level 15 is low level.

[Mr.Lube]

Nullifiers need to stay until they nerf all our OP abilities.

Grineer and infested need Nullifiers too until that.

OR we can just tone down a few frames.

[(XBOX)Archibald Jax]

The sheer volume of hate for nullifiers proves one thing to me.

Working as intended.

[ClinkzEastwood]

compared to maxed out gear, made for level 30 and above, level 15 is low level.

Actually, their number incrrease with their level. The existence of nullifiers is only noticable once they reach 40.

[(PSN)Crixus044]

Actually, their number incrrease with their level. The existence of nullifiers is only noticable once they reach 40.

I've seen 3 on one field when enemies were at level 27 approaching 30. That's still too much for me to actually enjoy a run. I would actually want more combas and no Nullifiers. Like other players, I don't mind a power nullification, just not all powers at once, and don't cancel powers already cast, just protect those inside from them and cancel future casts. And the bubble sponge is just lame.

Actually, their number incrrease with their level. The existence of nullifiers is only noticable once they reach 40.

I've seen 3 on one field when enemies were at level 27 approaching 30. That's still too much for me to actually enjoy a run. I would actually want more combas and no Nullifiers. Like other players, I don't mind a power nullification, just not all powers at once, and don't cancel powers already cast, just protect those inside from them and cancel future casts. And the bubble sponge is just lame.

[NezuHimeSama]

Anyone notice that Arctic Eximus block various WF damage powers(equinox maim, for example) as well as F*** with WF targeted powers?(ev, bladestorm, ect)

 

We really don't need nullifiers anymore.

[Kaidinah]

Problem is, nullifiers are NOT anti-power unit. You can spew rakta ballistica in their direction and world on fire does the kill. Or shield polarise. Nullifier is an anti-sniper and anti-bow unit, especially hardcore anti-sniper one. Game should NOT HAVE AN ANTI-SNIPER UNIT. Period. It's already anti-sniper by design.

Make sniper rifles pierce nullifiers shields. Bam, snipers viable and nullifiers balanced.

Too true. People shouldn't be punished for using bows and sniper rifles.

[Feallike]

Replace them with the new COrpus units and I will agree. Nullifiers are a boring enemy, Scrumbas are fun and interesting. 

 

 

Nullies are such a LAZY idea. I mean you take some random unit stick a radial power canceler on them. BOOM DONE. It isn't clever it isn't intellegent is simply bland and stupid. It is a bandaid fix.

 

Scrumbas are much more intellegent and much cooler. They fly around quickly disable certain types of powers, and make you THINK. You can't just spam because they can fly over your bullets forcing you to aim and they can sneak up on you. It forces you to be aware of your surroundings. 

 

Replace Nullifiers with Scrumbas PLZ.

Edited February 6, 2016 by Feallike