Chasing Ember

[NEONOVUS]

That's not my experience.

 

Let's say (hypothetically) you enjoyed playing this game earlier, i.e. the core part of running & gunning with space magic, and now you've just replaced that enjoyment and your goal is only to get new stuff as soon as possible. But if you don't enjoy the game, why bother going after the rewards, even if it's done as efficiently as possible? If you've reached a state where you don't enjoy playing the game anymore, then maybe it's time to take a break.

And then deprive DE of some of its 13 million players?

No the real issue is people do regularly drop out of this game.

They realize its grind for grind to have a few minutes of fun out of days of play.

So yes people do become bored gods and leave. We have no idea how many stay away and how many return though.

So it could be they come back for updates of the 18 - 19 or every odd .*

There's no real model here to say this, and the released data from DE was saying starter weapons are the most commonly used.

Which either means its because its the same stuff everybody has to take issue, or that many people just stop mid tutorial.

We need more data, more precise data.

Things like the average daily users, peak users, what they used, etc...

[Kontrollo]

And then deprive DE of some of its 13 million players?

No the real issue is people do regularly drop out of this game.

They realize its grind for grind to have a few minutes of fun out of days of play.

So yes people do become bored gods and leave. We have no idea how many stay away and how many return though.

So it could be they come back for updates of the 18 - 19 or every odd .*

There's no real model here to say this, and the released data from DE was saying starter weapons are the most commonly used.

Which either means its because its the same stuff everybody has to take issue, or that many people just stop mid tutorial.

We need more data, more precise data.

Things like the average daily users, peak users, what they used, etc...

 

Not sure what you're on about.

 

The "That's not my experience." was meant like I said it; I still enjoy that gameplay. Taking a break and coming back with refreshed interest is nothing bad, either. The game should, however, not feel like a second job.

Edited February 9, 2016 by Kontrollo

[(PSN)Lord_Gremlin]

You do public exterminate to finish it as fast as possible. Be grateful to ember. Also, why aren't YOU playing ember?!

Exterminate gives you nothing. With stealth changed it literally has no purpose other than end of mission reward.

[Inglu]

Patient: Doctor, it hurts when I do this.

 

Doctor: Then don't do that!

[(XBOX)SKWRLY]

Ember is fantastic for exterminates. If you're playing exterminates for anything else other than to complete it quickly or the possible loot drops at the end I suggest you play solo or invite only. I personally prefer 4 embers in my exterm missions (teamwork) so I have more time to do other things.

Edited February 9, 2016 by (XB1)B SKWRLY

[(PSN)aces2323]

Lol. I am one of those embers. I love it. It's a blast for me to run through like that. In fact, I will run with clan mates where we run 4 embers on t4 just to run as fast as possible to farm for Ducats. My question is what extermination are you running that you run into that? You are obviously running an extermination that someone uses for farming a specific reward. If you want to enjoy the scenery, then run a pug exterminate that isn't one people are trying to farm on. No guarantees you won't run into one, but a better chance to avoid it I would think.  

[FatmanKilimanjaro]

ITT: People defending Ember speedrunners who abuse low level missions for easy loot, while screwing over beginners who desperately need affinity.

[(PSN)AllOrNothinDays]

Doesn't really matter to me. I gain nothing from these missions aside from the reward it offers so whenever someone charges ahead, they're doing the work for me. I'm not gaining anything from not having a high kill count either. What DOES bother me however is they'll bump up Ember to have those capabilities then do what they did to saryn and contradict themselves, just adding to my believe they don't even know deep down what they want to do with frames that can kill everything before everyone else can at lower levels of course.

[(PSN)Galaxy_Cicada]

The big question is why is that one speed runner even in a pug? If you can rush through and one shot everything just to leave people catching up, why aren't you solo? I have to agree spending a whole game running behind someone who can't even stop to mark the good mod drops,never using a skill or a weapon once = not fun.

I was that person one time, and only because I had just switched from a slow frame to a fast one, and was kinda marveled by my own speed. After I felt bad for my team...

This is why I only play with a premade team anymore. (That and showing up to an excavation pug to pick up everyone else off the floor the second I arrived)

[TheGreatBB]

*Just gets home from work.*

*Notices Potato vs cash battle pay.*

*Notices 0.5% left.*

*Jumps on Ember Prime but forgets to put on friends only.*

[felixsylvaris]

For me main problem with rush embers is that they are not here where needed. I on the quest to clear navmap, and somewhere in the Eris/Uranus region. Would not mind a couple of Embers rushing the quests for me (especially Hive missions) But the are not here!

 

Maybe the solution is to start gossip that doing low level mission with overgeared frame is pointless, there is not that much afinity/credits/resources from that. So as soon as you have half decent frame there is something better you should be doing.

 

Maybe the problem is that high level navmap is not rewarding enought. So ppl prefer to quickrun earth over proper eris

Edited February 9, 2016 by felixsylvaris

[PnOyLeeT]

yes pls nerf ember and pls buff ember prime instead hahaha

[NEONOVUS]

ITT: People defending Ember speedrunners who abuse low level missions for easy loot, while screwing over beginners who desperately need affinity.

There's no new guys in exterminates, they're all on Draco fool!

But really, the issue comes down to the fact that if you do let a high guy into low level, its a waste.

But if you refuse, well then what is the point of large low levels over a tile or three somewhere?

Like with Jupiter, sole place to get Neural sensors.

If somebody speed runs that, are they screwing over other players, or just moving to get the only place they can?

Before the moon, people speed ran and dithered on earth to get neurodes, now its on the moon (and still no vengeful reverant)

But really, faulting us for the low levels where loot drops is funny. Tell DE to mirror drops and then put a soft lock on to push higher players into the higher areas.

 

 

For me main problem with rush embers is that they are not here where needed. I on the quest to clear navmap, and somewhere in the Eris/Uranus region. Would not mind a couple of Embers rushing the quests for me (especially Hive missions) But the are not here!

 

Maybe the solution is to start gossip that doing low level mission with overgeared frame is pointless, there is not that much afinity/credits/resources from that. So as soon as you have half decent frame there is something better you should be doing.

 

Maybe the problem is that high level navmap is not rewarding enought. So ppl prefer to quickrun earth over proper eris

Infested do poor drop rates.

People play on earth for higher and now guaranteed drop rates.

As well, pluto, Europa, Sedna, Ceres, don't drop anything worthwhile to play.

Saturn for plastid Ocells and spore, Uranus for polymer and tellerium if you want.

Basically, high level play needs a drop rate buff, something that scales right with the level like armor to get us out there.

Otherwise, its better to play at lower levels where you can keep rolling by instakill as opposed to taking that little bit more that adds up.

 

Ember specific builds fall off past level 30 when elite units start entering the fray, since popping accelerant is too much for many.

Edited February 9, 2016 by NEONOVUS

[(PSN)horridhal]

If you want to go fast that's fine, but outrunning every single one of your teammates and costing them any potential affinity is a bit much. We get it, you can go fast and Ember can kill things fast, that's great. Now how about remembering that this is a co-op game and not Forza.

 

As an Ember player who rushes missions, come at me bro.  I will continue doing so for as long as it remains viable.  Sorry that I don't want to sit around waiting for you, and the other tortoises, to open every container and search every cranny.  Especially on invasions where I'm going to have to run the mission 3 times already and that I've run hundreds of times before.  I'll speed through it and go back to more fun content, thank you very much.

 

Get faster or git gud.

Edited February 9, 2016 by (PS4)horridhal

[YasaiTsume]

Not complaining.

Does my job for me and sooner or later, yur gonna get lazy and allow them to do the job for yu too.

[SwooceRaiden]

You heard it here, folks! Exterminations do not give affinity! Glad we got that mess sorted out once and for all, what's the point in playing a gamemode if you get NO affinity from it?!

Nice job refuting literally anything I said.

[Neptlude]

I agree with OP. Embers really take the fun out. I do use Ember but I dont use WOF in pub Exterminates...

 

If Im going speed run, I'll go solo. Instead of waiting for the pubs to find the extraction point...

 

Ye can go faster solo than in Pub with Ember...

 

Its not the efficiency of the run we are looking for its the fun factor. The feel when yer speedy teammate is holding the elevator while giving us cover. But with pub embers they will just take the elevator on their own and let the rest wait for the elevator back... Then the said embers goes on ranting on how noob of us cause we are so slow...

 

I kinda wish Ember's 4 is a giant fireball, like Wargreymon's Giga Force. lol 

[Hellmaker2004]

I think that Ember, has some bigger issues at the moment that are more important than Trivializing low level content.

And Exterminate as well, do anyone really enjoy playing exterminate, i find it to be the most boring game type and least awarding for the time it takes unless you do it with a Ember.

Edited February 10, 2016 by Hellmaker2004

[Buttaface]

Didn't read thread. OP is made up or at most a very very rare exception.

 

E-V-E-R-Y-O-N-E and every frame take off at the start of PUG exterminates. Stay still the 10 or so seconds necessary to run WOF and you will probably never catch up to the people with sonicors, s simulors, ignis, etc., other low level mass killing tools. The ONLY time I've ever lead kills as a WOF Ember in a PUG is when I load in, get energy, start killing, and others only THEN load in. Sick of people making things up on this forum.

[MagPrime]

Didn't read thread. OP is made up or at most a very very rare exception.

 

E-V-E-R-Y-O-N-E and every frame take off at the start of PUG exterminates. Stay still the 10 or so seconds necessary to run WOF and you will probably never catch up to the people with sonicors, s simulors, ignis, etc., other low level mass killing tools. The ONLY time I've ever lead kills as a WOF Ember in a PUG is when I load in, get energy, start killing, and others only THEN load in. Sick of people making things up on this forum.

Speaking of making things up...

[thirtieth_king]

ITT: People defending Ember speedrunners who abuse low level missions for easy loot, while screwing over beginners who desperately need affinity.

i dont know of any low level exterminates that give good loot. If it does it is most likely an alert and in that predicament I always view speed running as ok.

[(XBOX)FISTO ROBOT0]

Boo hoooooo lol play solo. All people do is complain thing are too weak or OP lol

[[DE]Danielle]

Edit: Keep in mind this is just a vent thread. There is nothing to fix on DE's end and it's not an issue with Exterminate. It's an issue with player mentality and some people believing that the game is a race to see who can kill the most things and who can go the fastest. It's neither of those things, it's co-op not competitive. I just wish more people would realize that and try to play as a team rather than playing against the team.

 

Expressing your frustrations is healthy yes, but rant threads like these have a nasty habit of taking a one way trip down to the salt mines. Moreover, rant threads are not supported on the Forums as outlined in the Code of Conduct:

 

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Locking as posts are getting increasingly toxic.