Valesto Posted May 28, 2016 Share Posted May 28, 2016 So after a while of testing i realized that my first assumption, "Mag is trash" was wrong and that she is actually ok. But just ok. But i have the feeling that she is kinda exhausting to play now, since you have to constantly recast your spells on different locations. Some people will probably be like "But that's the point of the game, it's supposed to be challenging and interesting." Yeah maybe, but the Meta tends to favor frames and combos which can be played with the least effort possible. And since Mag doesn't really excell in anything in particular i'm expecting people will not play her simply because it is bothersome to do so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neptlude Posted May 28, 2016 Share Posted May 28, 2016 Just now, Valesto said: So after a while of testing i realized that my first assumption, "Mag is trash" was wrong and that she is actually ok. But just ok. But i have the feeling that she is kinda exhausting to play now, since you have to constantly recast your spells on different locations. Some people will probably be like "But that's the point of the game, it's supposed to be challenging and interesting." Yeah maybe, but the Meta tends to favor frames and combos which can be played with the least effort possible. And since Mag doesn't really excell in anything in particular i'm expecting people will not play her simply because it is bothersome to do so. Basically yer saying people are to lazy? They just want 1 button to win `-`? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevyne_Kicklighter Posted May 28, 2016 Share Posted May 28, 2016 6 minutes ago, Roboplus said: I'm pleased. 229% power strength because of the Primed Continuity/Natural Talent and Fractured Crush mods. That's over 50% knocked off of the Blind Rage burst built. Expensive and a nerf as now Mag is a duration frame -- essentially copying Trinity's Bless build over (minus Quick Thinking), yet suffering about an 1/4 Power Strength nerf. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FelisImpurrator Posted May 28, 2016 Share Posted May 28, 2016 12 minutes ago, Cpl_Facehugger said: Not everyone has the sheer amount of time to devote to passively accumulating huge stockpiles of resources like you apparently do. I'm down to playing more or less once every Baro weekend, still gaining tons of crap... I don't know. Come to think of it, maybe it's because I seek out nodes with the highest spawn rates conceivable just so I can slaughter more things, resulting in mountains of drops? But even if I really didn't have that kind of time, I wouldn't really... change my playstyle to anything that isn't fun? I'd probably just wait and get it later, like Baro's expensive dog armor. Just because the game released new gear this week doesn't mean you have to have the new gear this week. I don't have Kela stuff - ah, maybe one of these days I'll fire up Rathuum and enjoy the carabus' latest nerf. I don't have Despair - ah, maybe I'll get lucky and Stalker will finally cough up his last trophy. If I play a weekend and I don't get the thing I want, maybe I'll get it next weekend. Meanwhile, my Mag will still wreak havoc on everything till 20 minutes, and when I run out of keys I'll fish for some more... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Valesto Posted May 28, 2016 Share Posted May 28, 2016 Just now, Neptlude said: Basically yer saying people are to lazy? They just want 1 button to win `-`? Jup. Most combos are people just pressing 1-2 buttons over and over again while standing around. Doing a mission 10 times in a row over 4 hours is exhausting enough, doubt people will want to use a difficult frame. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevyne_Kicklighter Posted May 28, 2016 Share Posted May 28, 2016 6 minutes ago, Neptlude said: Just a reminder, they made the changes to mag, to pull her out of corpus only `-` And really 1 shotting a whole horde of corpus with 1 button is really overpowered... At high level, yes. But if she can't one shot lowbie Corpus, as a maxed out Mag, ah................... I hope DE didn't just do tweaks for the Corpus Sorties, as that doesn't scale well for other play styles ... like solo play, especially if the energy cost was increased. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neptlude Posted May 28, 2016 Share Posted May 28, 2016 1 minute ago, Valesto said: Jup. Most combos are people just pressing 1-2 buttons over and over again while standing around. Doing a mission 10 times in a row over 4 hours is exhausting enough, doubt people will want to use a difficult frame. wow `-` so lazy.... _(:3 7 L)_ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreyEnneract Posted May 28, 2016 Share Posted May 28, 2016 2 minutes ago, Neptlude said: wow `-` so lazy.... _(:3 7 L)_ Should have lowered the % amount instead of removing the % scaling entirely. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cannonfodder1982 Posted May 28, 2016 Share Posted May 28, 2016 loved mag, now just wont use her, was a one trick pony now a none trick pony, thanks again DE. Loki is pretty much invincible i can use him to do anything in this game pretty much but you decide to ruin Mag instead, awesome Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roboplus Posted May 28, 2016 Share Posted May 28, 2016 18 minutes ago, Wynn said: Roboplus you gave up a lot to fit that build, no defence mods and was only vs 1 target. That was also my old build from before this update launched. I just included it in the video so people wouldn't ask what I had on. I haven't made any adjustments yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevyne_Kicklighter Posted May 28, 2016 Share Posted May 28, 2016 5 minutes ago, Valesto said: Jup. Most combos are people just pressing 1-2 buttons over and over again while standing around. Doing a mission 10 times in a row over 4 hours is exhausting enough, doubt people will want to use a difficult frame. Says the guy who can even survive. If Mag can't do burst damage, she's dead. She has zip mitigation ... and one of the biggest complaints about her. Why all the fuss about Grineer about her, they kill her as her #2 didn't help her kill the suckers ... then she dies over and over and over. In public groups if she doesn't bring something but trouble, she's a bench frame. In solo, why even take her out if she also must eat a stack of energy "tax" pads? You can just take the Loki or Trinity out instead. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FelisImpurrator Posted May 28, 2016 Share Posted May 28, 2016 ...well. Uh. There's this thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phantasmalWordsmith Posted May 28, 2016 Share Posted May 28, 2016 I tinkered in the simulacrum for a bit, get a sense of the numbers and how the powers use. I'm not going to even try arguing for the percentage based system as before, much as I miss it for its sheer uniqueness - but something that just bothers me is that enemies in the bubble of Magnetize do not get that extra damage bonus that the actual target does. I think that would be a change for the better that really would make the synergy of her play style. As it is, Magnetize has become the cornerstone of her kit but it can only affect up to four enemies at a time. I get that you'd use it on high priority targets like Heavy Gunners, Bombards, and the like but I still think if at least the damage increase of its effect extended onto enemies in its area, her usability would shoot right up. Does that make sense to anyone? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AzureFlash Posted May 28, 2016 Share Posted May 28, 2016 I modded Mag with 200% duration, 200% strength, 130% efficiency and 97% range. I went in a level 30 exterminate on Pluto. My Pull couldn't kill moas, Magnetize did 66 damage on other moas, my Crush couldn't kill Techs and Polarize left a lot of enemies alive. I tried Magnetize and Pull but Pull requires line of sight, is directional, doesn't have great range, doesn't grab all enemies, and the enemies it grabs it doesn't pull them all the way in. So much for gathering them up inside the small Magnetize bubble. At that point I had died twice already, so I just switched to my Staticor and finished the mission more effectively than Mag could with all of her powers combined. Maybe I don't understand how to play her, but what I do understand is that I'll never WANT to play her again and I regret buying those TennoGen Mag skins recently. Are refunds, even partial ones, possible? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevyne_Kicklighter Posted May 28, 2016 Share Posted May 28, 2016 5 minutes ago, phantasmalWordsmith said: As it is, Magnetize has become the cornerstone of her kit but it can only affect up to four enemies at a time. I get that you'd use it on high priority targets like Heavy Gunners, Bombards, and the like but I still think if at least the damage increase of its effect extended onto enemies in its area, her usability would shoot right up. Does that make sense to anyone? Until weapons and armor scaling are done, why would I use it? Tonkor - Fire 1 the mob is dead. Fire 2 the instaspawn mob is dead, too. Hieracon all over again. That's all anyone cares about -- kill it before they kill you (and with Mag, that's THE case!). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silverton Posted May 28, 2016 Share Posted May 28, 2016 So pretty much her magnetize is the new go to. I can cast magnetize and shoot randomly and they all go to her...or you know I could @(*()$ aim and do the same damn thing and not inconvenience my whole damn team. So I used to be able to go into a corpus map and have a few abilities to do massive damage. Now I have no abilities to do massive damage and I'm expected to cast a huge bubble that draws in all my bullets until one enemy is dead. This is a game about mass killing enemies and yet you want me to focus all my attention on one enemy. On top of all this the most powerful enemy I'll run into on average is 40 unless I am doing a sortie or most voids past 45m. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FelisImpurrator Posted May 28, 2016 Share Posted May 28, 2016 2 minutes ago, Silverton said: So pretty much her magnetize is the new go to. I can cast magnetize and shoot randomly and they all go to her...or you know I could @(*()$ aim and do the same damn thing and not inconvenience my whole damn team. So I used to be able to go into a corpus map and have a few abilities to do massive damage. Now I have no abilities to do massive damage and I'm expected to cast a huge bubble that draws in all my bullets until one enemy is dead. This is a game about mass killing enemies and yet you want me to focus all my attention on one enemy. On top of all this the most powerful enemy I'll run into on average is 40 unless I am doing a sortie or most voids past 45m. "one enemy" There's still this thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prince90000 Posted May 28, 2016 Share Posted May 28, 2016 Mag was one of my favorite frames but now its useless for high lvl enemies. I know DE wants us to Magnetize every enemy to kill them but spamming Magnetize is annoying as well as it makes the gameplay fussy. I recommend replace Magnetise or rework it entirely with something new. And also make Polarize do % dmg instead of fixed dmg as fixed dmg makes it completely useless on high lvls. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Norbac- Posted May 28, 2016 Share Posted May 28, 2016 9 minutes ago, FelisImpurrator said: "one enemy" There's still this thing. The author said this is probably a bug. You can't replicate that with most of the weapons. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrimAtrament Posted May 28, 2016 Share Posted May 28, 2016 30 minutes ago, FelisImpurrator said: ...well. Uh. There's this thing. whgat the fk.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreyEnneract Posted May 28, 2016 Share Posted May 28, 2016 3 minutes ago, Norbac- said: The author said this is probably a bug. You can't replicate that with most of the weapons. It's not a bug. Lanka has insane punch through. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Valkyrion Posted May 28, 2016 Share Posted May 28, 2016 The reason polarize isn't so powerful is because now, the spreading of the effect causes distance enemies to take damage, so there's less shield over distance and time, therefor overall less damage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CRCGamer Posted May 28, 2016 Share Posted May 28, 2016 Yeah that only works that way because Lanka has an innate 5m punch through at base. That allows the projectile to freely do stupid things, though given that maybe somebody should try using a max rebound glaive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Norbac- Posted May 28, 2016 Share Posted May 28, 2016 (edited) 9 minutes ago, GreyEnneract said: It's not a bug. Lanka has insane punch through. Lanka is not the only weapon with good punch through you know. This is what the author said: http://prnt.sc/b9b4gu Edit: this is the build http://i.imgur.com/l0i5Q8P.jpg http://i.imgur.com/6rEJSBW.jpg Try to replicate it with some other weapons if possible. Edited May 28, 2016 by Norbac- Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreyEnneract Posted May 28, 2016 Share Posted May 28, 2016 2 minutes ago, Norbac- said: Lanka is not the only weapon with good punch through you know. This is what the author said: http://prnt.sc/b9b4gu As far as I know it is the only gun in the game with that amount of non hitscan punchthrough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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