Xaxma Posted July 8, 2016 Share Posted July 8, 2016 The older star chart wasn't perfect by any means, sure, but the ease of use vastly outdoes the new one. Transitions are slow, the fade-to-black feels out of place, the nodes make absolutely no sense anymore in terms of location, my frame twitching in the background as I scroll is silly, the icons are unbearably tiny to the point of making it difficult to tell what it represents at all, and I feel as though huge chunks of information were left out. It's like they took everything bad from the first one and everything bad from the second one to make this vile visionary concoction. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlazerEraser Posted July 8, 2016 Share Posted July 8, 2016 I disagree, i like it, makes everything feel big, mysterious, for new players obviously. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrimAtrament Posted July 8, 2016 Share Posted July 8, 2016 this one is so much better than the cluster mess we had before Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoboticApplesWithLasers Posted July 8, 2016 Share Posted July 8, 2016 3 minutes ago, Xaxma said: The older star chart wasn't perfect by any means, sure, but the ease of use vastly outdoes the new one. Transitions are slow, the fade-to-black feels out of place, the nodes make absolutely no sense anymore in terms of location, my frame twitching in the background as I scroll is silly, the icons are unbearably tiny to the point of making it difficult to tell what it represents at all, and I feel as though huge chunks of information were left out. It's like they took everything bad from the first one and everything bad from the second one to make this vile visionary concoction. there was nothing bad about the first one, it was perfect, this new one is good too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cook-EN- Posted July 8, 2016 Share Posted July 8, 2016 I dunno. I really like this one. It feels like they took the 1st star chart and upgraded it x5. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tsunero Posted July 8, 2016 Share Posted July 8, 2016 I really hated the mess that was the planet spinning one so I am glad we are back to the nostalgic one which actually made sense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Omnimorph Posted July 8, 2016 Share Posted July 8, 2016 I like it ok, I think it will have the intended effect of feeling like you're actually moving through the system for new players, and oldsters will get used to it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xaxma Posted July 8, 2016 Author Share Posted July 8, 2016 (edited) 6 minutes ago, Momo93 said: I really hated the mess that was the planet spinning one so I am glad we are back to the nostalgic one which actually made sense. I preferred the planets spinning around. What I mean by ease of use was that every node was a big rectangle that sat along the axis of the planet, and you could tell exactly what some nodes meant based on the coloration, like syndicates, alerts, sorties, invasions, etc. Higher level nodes sat further away from the planet. I just feel like all this zooming junk just overly complicates things. I don't feel like this information is as apparent now. Edited July 8, 2016 by Xaxma Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tsunero Posted July 8, 2016 Share Posted July 8, 2016 Just now, Xaxma said: I preferred the planets spinning around. What I mean by ease of use was that every node was a big rectangle that sat along the axis of the planet, and you could tell exactly what some nodes meant based on the coloration, like syndicates, alerts, sorties, invasions, etc. Higher level nodes sat further away from the planet. I just feel like all this zooming S#&$ just overly complicates things. I don't feel like this information is as apparent now. Don't know if you were around for star chart 1.5 but that solved every single problem you mentioned but they dropped it for the spinning planets. I am sure they will tweak the current one to match the greatness of the 1.5 one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CY13ERPUNK Posted July 8, 2016 Share Posted July 8, 2016 (edited) i feel like somehow this new version includes some hate/angst about the removal of the ring of planets , like its intentionally worse in some way just becuz of the change =/ but also it really looks like it just had way too many re-re-re-re-visions at the last minute =[ whoever thought having the mission icons be so incredibly small was a good idea... like is that a lotus symbol... wtf does that mean? is that an alert? FFS =[ Edited July 8, 2016 by CY13ERPUNK Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aure7 Posted July 8, 2016 Share Posted July 8, 2016 I'd get rid of any head and hand motion on the player's warframe and as others said make icons for alerts and invasions more clear and visible, otherwise it feels fantastic with the look and sound of it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrazyCatLad Posted July 8, 2016 Share Posted July 8, 2016 Starchart 1.0 was good. Starchart 2.0 was meh. Starchart 3.0 is alright - font/symbols are too small. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WarmongerExtraordinare Posted July 8, 2016 Share Posted July 8, 2016 have you ever even seen vomit? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ruthless.killer Posted July 8, 2016 Share Posted July 8, 2016 отстой полный Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Obviousclone Posted July 8, 2016 Share Posted July 8, 2016 star chart 2.0 wasn't even a chart. It was a wheel that lead to more wheels that lead to the nodes this one is like a big map. which makes sense Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xaxma Posted July 8, 2016 Author Share Posted July 8, 2016 16 minutes ago, DioBrandoTheHotVampire said: have you ever even seen vomit? yeah, it looks like star chart 3.0 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
--Q--Neffy Posted July 8, 2016 Share Posted July 8, 2016 it's something to get used to...no need to call someone's hard work "vomit" tho Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
motorfirebox Posted July 8, 2016 Share Posted July 8, 2016 Man, I never realize how awesome vomit can look. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marelooke Posted July 8, 2016 Share Posted July 8, 2016 New Star Chart is definitely a step up from the previous one and I for one like it a lot. It could use a few tweaks here and there though, but that's to be expected on something this new. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stratego89 Posted July 8, 2016 Share Posted July 8, 2016 57 minutes ago, Xaxma said: The older star chart wasn't perfect by any means, sure, but the ease of use vastly outdoes the new one. Transitions are slow, the fade-to-black feels out of place, the nodes make absolutely no sense anymore in terms of location, my frame twitching in the background as I scroll is silly, the icons are unbearably tiny to the point of making it difficult to tell what it represents at all, and I feel as though huge chunks of information were left out. It's like they took everything bad from the first one and everything bad from the second one to make this vile visionary concoction. I agree with every point made pretty much. The new star chart style LOOKS pretty- but FUNCTIONALLY it has failed hard. Severe issues that need fixing include alpha/opacity levels on text or other important things being way too low in certain spots. Some text will overlap other nodes making stuff nearly impossible to read- or even to actually SELECT the mission. Overall the "flow" they wanted the new starmap to have is invisible. They need to have some sort of indicator like a flow of void energy from the FIRST mission in the starchart out to the LAST one. Something FAINT but CLEAR. Something that makes sense just to show how things progress from the view of the entire system- and for each planet. It's just IMPOSSIBLE to tell "where it starts and where it ends" since there's no clear start/end point like there was in the past. Now it's just one big mess with no directional indicators. Just that one simple thing would really help make navigating it 100x easier. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrinityPrime Posted July 8, 2016 Share Posted July 8, 2016 (edited) I just wish there was an option that instead of starting you off zoomed in on where ever you were last, you could toggle it to start you off with the overview and just zoom in to last location if you wanted to. Also, would be nice if the UI wasn't slower than the previous starchart UI. Edited July 8, 2016 by KnotOfMetal Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stratego89 Posted July 8, 2016 Share Posted July 8, 2016 58 minutes ago, hazerddex said: this one is so much better than the cluster mess we had before THIS one is the cluster mess. Before it was clean and obvious what went where. Now you can't tell up from down left from right start from finish. It needs some sort of flowing void energy or something similar leading through showing you where planets start/end/link together. A straight shot from the first node to the last node(s) of that planet- to the node(s) of the next planet(s) all the way through to the end- skipping any branches. Think of the new starchart as a tree. There is the trunk- that's the start. Then it starts branching off. We need CLEAR indicators leading to the ends of the IMPORTANT branches that make them stand out from the minor ones so we can see where things lead easier. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EthosP Posted July 8, 2016 Share Posted July 8, 2016 36 minutes ago, Aure7 said: I'd get rid of any head and hand motion on the player's warframe This. I'm not sure why that is needed. It just looks awkward. Especially when you move the mouse too fast and the head flips upside down super fast. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stratego89 Posted July 8, 2016 Share Posted July 8, 2016 1 minute ago, KnotOfMetal said: I just wish there was an option that instead of starting you off zoomed in on where ever you were last, you could toggle it to start you off with the overview and just zoom in to last location if you wanted to. Also, would be nice if the UI wasn't slower than the previous starchart UI. Also this. All of this. Especially the last point. The #1 thing about warframe that's annoyed me from day 1 is that despite the game itself running fine the fancy UIs (and only SOME of them are fancy so that inconsistency is another reason this should be fixed) all cause some weird mouse lag. The sleek, simple style of stuff like the inventory screen are fine. They fit the feel of the game, they don't have mouse lag. They're very clear in how to navigate them. Starchart 3.0 was originally meant to be starchart 1.0 v.2, but it ended up not-that. It needs to be cleaner. There's too much fancy stuff to make it look nice. It can look just as nice- if not better- without all that extra stuff slowing everything down and cluttering it up. I'm not saying make it as simple/bare as the FIRST looks at starchart 3.0's original iterations/concepts, but closer to it. Something in between. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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