(XBOX)Grihaly Posted January 8, 2016 Share Posted January 8, 2016 Let's not make ideas, because we don't write the lore. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bowiespoon Posted January 8, 2016 Share Posted January 8, 2016 Let's not make ideas, because we don't write the lore. you're saying we shouldn't speculate? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swailwort Posted January 8, 2016 Share Posted January 8, 2016 (edited) This is my theory: Stalker is an Umbra Excal. He shares the same body as an Umbra Warframe, and pretty much the same colors. Deduction: The Umbra Warframes were the Guardians of the Orokin, the ones trained to guard the Empire from external threats. They probably went through a brain washing training making them Orokin Fanatics. They never undergo cryosleep and now try to hunt down the betrayers. Stalker was one of them. Meanwhile, Primes and Normals were the ones reserved to the Vanguard, the offensive, and guided by the Lotus, being later put on cryo by herself. Question is...where is the Assassin Tenno Order fighting the Tenno Templars? Edited January 8, 2016 by Swailwort Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bowiespoon Posted January 8, 2016 Share Posted January 8, 2016 Question is...where is the Assassin Tenno Order fighting the Tenno Templars? Ash vs oberon? That would be a short match. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leavith Posted January 8, 2016 Share Posted January 8, 2016 (edited) @Bowiespoon Actually it might be more intense then you think. Remove the auto aim of the skills Remove the idea that Warframe can only move certain way and can only dodge by roll Remove the idea if you bladestorm the enemy will just stand still and let you stab him It would be pretty interesting. Oh and remove the idea that reckoning will just capture you and slam you Think of it in fighting sense Smite bullets can probably compete setting up little decoys in the air to limits the shurikan chances of hitting Smoke screen can definitely be trampled by Hallowed ground remember while oberon is on the Mat he gains armor boost and CC don't work on him Also teleport idea Just teleporting infront of oberon and trying to stab would not be much help sicne both Oberon and Ash are warframe meaning they have about the same capacity of strength While blade storm is just more Bigger teleport and stab with blades not your weapon. Now on oberon side he defintly will have hard time landing something on Ash for ash speed And Oberon will defintly have hard time aiming smite or trying to capture ash in reckoning if ash is invisible Then consider the fact teleport will actually work like teleport so Ash would be able to Move from one location before making it to another And if you add the fact Ash can try to cripple Oberon with shurikan coming from many direction renewable will consume to much energy to heal so that would be limited in use and oberon would probably reserve it for when he is need I can see a long match The fight would have to be decided by not their stats but the setting would more likely decide who wins If the setting is small and crowded Oberon gets the win his skill like smite and aiming reckoning to capture ash would be his help since Ash would be limited in space to move around and Teleport cannot get him out of every situation and stray smite bullet more could always hit him in invi. Also Hallowed ground would hurt to much and would limit ash. Also consider ash clone for Blade storm if he tries to get Oberon with a renewal ca definitely ease the damage and smite to the clone at that range r using reckoning to capture them is not impossible to hit specially if is crowded and then comes the blind if he manages to slam and enemy.That giving oberon the chance to quickly dispatch ash. if the setting is wide and big ash can use his speed and agility to the max allowing him to rain shurikan on oberon from many direction as well as teleport from any dangerous scenario and Invisibility would not be limited since you can avoid damage from the hits. And avoid the capture of reckoning and the blind from any of his clones being catch and once Oberon cast his reckoning to protect himself from the clones of bladestorm ash can teleport away and let his clones be capture in using his Teleport he can re enter the area as oberon has already use reckoning and Finish oberon off. SO the win would go to the setting they fight in. Edited January 8, 2016 by Leavith Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tedbearr Posted January 8, 2016 Share Posted January 8, 2016 So is Stalker an Umbra? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leavith Posted January 8, 2016 Share Posted January 8, 2016 No stalker is not umbra/ Consider stalker power come from different warframe that would mean he would have to be build like warframe but he is not look at the fact that a warframe that uses other warframe parts to be made Chroma. Comparing stalker to chroma who in idea would be the way to acquire power using other warframe parts to enhance yourself but they are nothing alike He resembles more Zanuka who has power like a warframe or other corpus technology who share the same power type technology then he those a warframe apart in look. Just have glimpse of what the stalker was a Lesser like guardian most people choose to dismiss this but anyone know the Orokin were all about ranks and that means that in the day of commemoration the Stalker must be in the same area were people of the same rank would be. Making him lesser guardian is more to be as I mention he is solider like a tenno but not train in the same culture or with the same potential. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(XBOX)Grihaly Posted January 8, 2016 Share Posted January 8, 2016 you're saying we shouldn't speculate? Speculating is one thing, the context of the OP makes it sound like this thread is a think-tank for making lore. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(XBOX)ToothlessApollo Posted January 8, 2016 Share Posted January 8, 2016 (edited) The only difference between Excalibur Umbra and Excalibur Umbra Prime is that they have to legally drop the "Prime" part or else they gotta deal with all that B.S. from that founder promise nonsense. He loses the name "Prime" and I think he has a change in PBR (the gold trim coloration settings should allow you to color those bits any way you want). He should be identical in stats and look though. Edited January 8, 2016 by (XB1)ToothlessApollo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aratir Posted January 8, 2016 Share Posted January 8, 2016 There are 3 excaliburs in chinese version: Excalibur, Excalibur Umbra and Excalibur Umbra Prime. Global build will only get Excalibur Umbra, the prime version with all the gold bits will remain a china exclusive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VRHmason Posted January 8, 2016 Share Posted January 8, 2016 so we gonna have frames, prime frames, umbra frames and umbra primes? wtf? isn't that overkill ? Would rather if they balanced already existing frames...we already have too much of them, half of them have no use Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
s3b4st13n Posted January 8, 2016 Share Posted January 8, 2016 One day .. Excalibur decided to wear a scarf to work. The end. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Circle_of_Psi Posted January 8, 2016 Share Posted January 8, 2016 Actually there was one other referance I think... When you are doing the "security eye" dance to have the pillars destroyed during the second dream mission. For each pillar you destroyed black flames started spreading around the area which dealt seriously nasty damage. But we also noticed they had a secondary effect. Once your Kubrow or Sentinel was touched by the black flames, it would turn against you and you had to destroy it. I first noticed it when my partners Kubrow turned dark and started attacking us and when it went down we couldn't resurrect it. This stuck in my head though, as rather hilariously my dark helios spent the rest of the mission trying to kill me. I think this was the first in game hint to what Umbral might be. Whoa, how did this happen?, this is why we need repayable quests! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Circle_of_Psi Posted January 8, 2016 Share Posted January 8, 2016 so we gonna have frames, prime frames, umbra frames and umbra primes? wtf? isn't that overkill ? Would rather if they balanced already existing frames...we already have too much of them, half of them have no use Lol, no I don't think we're getting Primed Umbra, that will be just overkill, I think China is the only ones who got a Primed Umbra, to fit for the Founder stuff, all we're getting us Umbra Warframes, as we already got Primed Warframes. Really, the Umbra Prime, is bacily China's Primed Excal ,just named a new way, to stop the salt of founders, but..as you can see, that failed.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(PSN)Redemption_015 Posted January 8, 2016 Share Posted January 8, 2016 There are 3 excaliburs in chinese version: Excalibur, Excalibur Umbra and Excalibur Umbra Prime. Global build will only get Excalibur Umbra, the prime version with all the gold bits will remain a china exclusive. We'll be getting the gold bits too. This was confirmed by Steve. The differences will be the name and possibly that stats. Visually we are getting Umbra Prime. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(PSN)Redemption_015 Posted January 8, 2016 Share Posted January 8, 2016 I don't care. Just let me buy it already. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MagPrime Posted January 8, 2016 Share Posted January 8, 2016 Umbra are Warframes that went I to cryospleep in areas that eventually turned into the Dark Sectors. During their slumber, they were somehow changed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir_Alex_Traffo Posted January 8, 2016 Share Posted January 8, 2016 There are 3 excaliburs in chinese version: Excalibur, Excalibur Umbra and Excalibur Umbra Prime. Global build will only get Excalibur Umbra, the prime version with all the gold bits will remain a china exclusive. Uhm, you sure? I'm pretty confident the Excalibur Umbra Prime is their "Excalibur Prime", I might be wrong but I heard nothing about a standard Excalibur Umbra on their build. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(PSN)Umbra_Knights Posted January 8, 2016 Share Posted January 8, 2016 (edited) There are 3 excaliburs in chinese version: Excalibur, Excalibur Umbra and Excalibur Umbra Prime. Global build will only get Excalibur Umbra, the prime version with all the gold bits will remain a china exclusive. i saw someone post screenshot of steve's tweet from another umbra thread. he said that umbra for global build has gold bits too. Edited January 8, 2016 by (PS4)blank_in_black Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir_Alex_Traffo Posted January 8, 2016 Share Posted January 8, 2016 i saw someone post screenshot of steve's tweet from another umbra thread. he said that umbra for global build has gold bits too. Yea, it's one of the early info; Steve basically said that he'll have colorable bits, which can then be set to gold. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(PSN)Lord_Gremlin Posted January 8, 2016 Share Posted January 8, 2016 It's exact same item. Perfect world renamed it Excalibur Umbra Prime and limited to founder pack in chinese build. What's so hard to understand? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(PSN)EnormeMostro Posted January 8, 2016 Share Posted January 8, 2016 Lol, no I don't think we're getting Primed Umbra, that will be just overkill, I think China is the only ones who got a Primed Umbra,. What will you say if DE releases Umbra Prime for another frames in the future ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(PSN)ZammnZaddy Posted January 8, 2016 Share Posted January 8, 2016 There are 3 excaliburs in chinese version: Excalibur, Excalibur Umbra and Excalibur Umbra Prime. Global build will only get Excalibur Umbra, the prime version with all the gold bits will remain a china exclusive. China only has Excal and Umbra Prime Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Evanescent Posted January 8, 2016 Share Posted January 8, 2016 That was actually the orbs doing radiation damage I think.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(XBOX)Solargeo Posted January 8, 2016 Share Posted January 8, 2016 Not to bad so far but come on more we need more Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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