Last two pages of comics appeared. Everybody ready for U20?

[ReyGanso]

1 minute ago, xXDeadsinxX said:

Lol, a little bit yes. But I don't know, it could get delayed to next Monday if something goes wrong.

Dont give them ideas.

[Blood_Poppy]

Owh the Last panels of Comic

 

So Who SUDA Basically..? I Hope She Is Margulis... T_T

[(XBOX)TheMadCash]

Im not even on Pc & im excited. I just want her trailer to drop already. Really want to see her abilities play in game

[Genoscythe]

Hm, I am still a bit sceptical. After Nidus the bars are set really high for a new frame. The abilities look really nice, though. If a quest and the photomode are everything this update brings I will be done with all the new content in 3 days though. Somehow I miss the old, plain, 'we bring you 7 new guns and 3 new blades in a single Update' things. The cinematic quests really are not a reason to play the game for me, because the storywriting of Warframe is quite plain and the quests are OK to obnoxious gameplay-wise.

 

[Skaleek]

Did they say Excalibur Umbra was coming with update 20 or am i remembering incorrectly?

[Kai_Shiba]

1 minute ago, Skaleek said:

Did they say Excalibur Umbra was coming with update 20 or am i remembering incorrectly?

They didn't say he would, but they did note of him being part of some cinematic quest.

[Latiac]

24 minutes ago, XAJM said:

Also, archwing quest and archwing sorties yay!

 

Archwing sorties? Oh why...

[Airwolfen]

58 minutes ago, Blood_Poppy said:

Owh the Last panels of Comic

 

So Who SUDA Basically..? I Hope She Is Margulis... T_T

Margulis was kinda executed. Not turned into a sephalon.

[Lecifath]

I didn't notice there was a comic, can someone provide a link?

[GreyEnneract]

1 hour ago, PsychedelicSnake said:

You know what happens when a Charger is hit with lightning?

 

 

 

 

Same thing that happens to everything else.

A low amount of damage?

[Valiant]

1 hour ago, Kuestenjung said:

It´s not U20, it´s Octavias Anthem, like The Silver Grove was not U19.

I am ready to not get disappointed and get a delay, If it indeed happens today I would be positivly surprised

Know what? I don't really care if it's delayed or not. Can't say I'm hyped for the update either.

Thankfully there are now other games present to fill time and distract. 

Stopped doing sorties for a bit now too. Actually feels refreshing.

Most interesting thing the next update could bring me would be melee rivens. Need mah Skana riven.

[Vilmu]

48 minutes ago, Lecifath said:

I didn't notice there was a comic, can someone provide a link?

https://warframe.com/octavias-anthem

[Cyndocrit]

So the Orokin turned Suda into a cephalon because she forgot the location of a particular battle? One job. One job, Suda. Also, I thought Dax soldiers would look like how the codex described them instead having just about the same gear as Teshin.

[Blakrana]

2 hours ago, Miser_able said:

The comics end made me sad. 

Chilling, really. To think that the Orokin in all their accomplishments...had no answer to the simple spectre of forgetting. For all their power, were people still victim to the horrors of dementia and senility?

Other hand...I guess we've now learned that Teshin's get up is indeed a Dax uniform than something unique to him. And that one can elect to become a Cephalon, rather than simply having it forced upon you. Which broadens the spectrum of potential candidates for who Cephalons originally were quite broadly...that and I really want to see a discussion about the voluntary and involuntary aspect between Suda and Ordis now. Could be quite interesting.

2 hours ago, Blood_Poppy said:

So Who SUDA Basically..? I Hope She Is Margulis... T_T

Margulis was executed. What's left of her comes down to her legacy being carried by Lotus and Teshin to some degree, and whatever memories of her the Tenno retained through the dream, and what little Silvanna retains in her Treeness. Her main lasting testimony is the Transference system, even if it has been heavily perverted from her original aims for it.

If this lady is indeed Suda...it seems she may simply have been an Archimedian woman who, when faced with losing her memories as she aged...chose to become a Cephalon to not forget again. Which, well...As I note above, raises the question if the Orokin themselves hadn't found a way to mitigate such issues. And consider how much she might have lost in the process...Ordis is not 1:1 to Ordan Karris, after all. So perhaps Suda is not 1:1 to whomever Su... ...da was.

Course at this juncture I'm curious to what legal status voluntary Cephalons had within the empire. Much as the Orokin are heavily anthropocentric, they must have had some system in place in order for it to be considered an option by some, and not a punishment. Did this 'Maybe Suda' lady have the same level of psychological 'pruning' that Ordan Karris faced in his transition into Ordis?

Curious conundrum, at least.

And I think it's...interesting that her escort to her final fate was composed of Tenno and several Dax soldiers. Was the role of Octavia here to serve as some sort of praise? Similar to how the Orokin sang of Ordan Karris' feats when they summoned him to them?

Any rate, apologies for going on, as always.

[Yrveth]

23 minutes ago, Blakrana said:

I really want to see a discussion about the voluntary and involuntary aspect between Suda and Ordis now.

I would like to see how the actual quest plays out first, just in case it has any relation to the comic. Because the comic is so bizarre really, after 2(ish?) years where every single piece of lore we got painted the Orokin ruling class in blacks. Knowledge is one thing but what of Orokin legacy is worth preserving really? If Suda was complicit in Orokin crimes and/or saw the empire as just then that's about as far from Ordan as you can get. The difference in transition follows just so.

By the way it may be worth considering some other reasons for Suda's loss of memories. If we still believe the Orokin lived very long, perhaps she's not senile but things that happened hundreds of years ago are just slipping her mind - organic memory is not flawless after all. Or wouldn't it be funny if her memories were being purposefully erased by her masters, huh! Well one can only wish.

[Blakrana]

1 minute ago, Belgard said:

I would like to see how the actual quest plays out first, just in case it has any relation to the comic.

Of course. It's just an interesting matter of general consideration, rather than 'must be a thing we see during quest'.

1 minute ago, Belgard said:

after 2(ish?) years where every single piece of lore we got painted the Orokin ruling class in blacks. Knowledge is one thing but what of Orokin legacy is worth preserving really? If Suda was complicit in Orokin crimes and/or saw the empire as just then that's about as far from Ordan as you can get. The difference in transition follows just so.

It might be more than just the actions of the Executors in consideration. The sins of the few aren't necessarily enough to damn an entire culture, perhaps...though that gets into the general problem with accounts; depending on whom you ask, depends on what biases you're contending with. The elite who wanted for little will sing praises, whilst the downtrodden will not hide the cruelty they witnessed as part of their lower position.

And...for all the ill the Orokin caused and perpetrated...for those not caught in those machinations, the empire may have seemed very different. It's...never as simple as some might like, as any account is tied intimately with our own perspectives and biases of situations. The Orokin Fragment has to have had some grounding somewhere...and indeed, it could be much like Margulis said at her execution.

"...So perfect on the outside...but inside, you're rotten!"

It may very well be that those far removed from the turmoil at the heart of the empire's upper echelons could only see the benefits they provided. 

Of course, this is all conjecture and playing devil's advocate, somewhat. One person's monarch is another's despot, after all.

15 minutes ago, Belgard said:

By the way it may be worth considering some other reasons for Suda's loss of memories. If we still believe the Orokin lived very long, perhaps she's not senile but things that happened hundreds of years ago are just slipping her mind - organic memory is not flawless after all. Or wouldn't it be funny if her memories were being purposefully erased by her masters, huh! Well one can only wish.

For the former, certainly a possibility, though still seems dubious to lack simple gene treatments to establish eidetic memory for all that'd desire/benefit from it.

As for the latter...if part of some elaborate coaxing to make her opt to be a Cephalon of her own free will, certainly fits the underhanded nature of Orokin elite we're familiar with, and not necessarily impossible all told. All we know for now is that the loss of memory was enough to warrant choosing such a thing.

For now, all we can do is wonder 'what if', till we get further information.

Any rate, apologies for going on, as always.

[arch111]

I want a quest to find out who became Simaris. Now THAT should be interesting. 

[arch111]

54 minutes ago, Blakrana said:

Of course. It's just an interesting matter of general consideration, rather than 'must be a thing we see during quest'.

It might be more than just the actions of the Executors in consideration. The sins of the few aren't necessarily enough to damn an entire culture, perhaps...though that gets into the general problem with accounts; depending on whom you ask, depends on what biases you're contending with. The elite who wanted for little will sing praises, whilst the downtrodden will not hide the cruelty they witnessed as part of their lower position.

And...for all the ill the Orokin caused and perpetrated...for those not caught in those machinations, the empire may have seemed very different. It's...never as simple as some might like, as any account is tied intimately with our own perspectives and biases of situations. The Orokin Fragment has to have had some grounding somewhere...and indeed, it could be much like Margulis said at her execution.

"...So perfect on the outside...but inside, you're rotten!"

It may very well be that those far removed from the turmoil at the heart of the empire's upper echelons could only see the benefits they provided. 

Of course, this is all conjecture and playing devil's advocate, somewhat. One person's monarch is another's despot, after all.

For the former, certainly a possibility, though still seems dubious to lack simple gene treatments to establish eidetic memory for all that'd desire/benefit from it.

As for the latter...if part of some elaborate coaxing to make her opt to be a Cephalon of her own free will, certainly fits the underhanded nature of Orokin elite we're familiar with, and not necessarily impossible all told. All we know for now is that the loss of memory was enough to warrant choosing such a thing.

For now, all we can do is wonder 'what if', till we get further information.

Any rate, apologies for going on, as always.

Ordan was an assassin. Suda was an Archimedian. Likely worlds apart in their genetic makeup and purpose.

That alone.may have been reason enough to become a Cephalon. Hell, that may even have been a design to make good cephalons, a Archimedians mind made AI.

[Akavakaku]

I don't think Su...da was Orokin. Her eyes aren't gold, nor does she wear any gold. So she doesn't have the option of Continuity into a newer, younger body to prevent her mind from decaying. But this does tell us Archimedeans were high enough rank to attain immortality by Cephalonhood, by choice. Still, there might be downsides to the process, which could explain why all Archimedeans didn't just become Cephalons to be immortal.