(XBOX)YoungGunn82 Posted November 7, 2017 Author Share Posted November 7, 2017 Just now, (Xbox One)Graysmog said: So this guy? Lol. Is there like a database of these somewhere? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(XBOX)Graysmog Posted November 7, 2017 Share Posted November 7, 2017 Just now, (Xbox One)RDeschain82 said: Lol. Is there like a database of these somewhere? I just look up most of them online under "Warframe Concepts" and look under Images. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tachibana_Hibiki Posted November 7, 2017 Share Posted November 7, 2017 5 hours ago, meristu said: mesa has pistols so second gun frame could be focused on primary weapons, some minigus or giant canon ... Ivara is focused on primary - she has an exalted bow. And unlike Mesa, she can actually use it like a "normal" primary, not just "imma automatic turret now" mode. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrBorris Posted November 7, 2017 Share Posted November 7, 2017 Banshee is more of a gun frame than Mesa IMO, Mesa uses her guns, Banshee empowers you to use your guns. Just because a Warframe does not aesthetically scream "hey, I like guns", it does not mean that they are not centered around gunplay. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(XBOX)Graysmog Posted November 7, 2017 Share Posted November 7, 2017 (edited) 4 minutes ago, DrBorris said: Banshee is more of a gun frame than Mesa IMO, Mesa uses her guns, Banshee empowers you to use your guns. Just because a Warframe does not aesthetically scream "hey, I like guns", it does not mean that they are not centered around gunplay. I mean, I guess? Mesa is literally part gun though, her arms and fingers form the Peacemakers themselves. I'm not sure we can get much more "gun frame" than that. Also, if we're being technical, Banshee's Sonar just prompts you to use your weapons overall for that extra damage. She's not truly based around gun-play as much as Mesa is, who has two abilities that specifically boost her guns, and nothing else. Edited November 7, 2017 by (XB1)Graysmog Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(XBOX)YoungGunn82 Posted November 7, 2017 Author Share Posted November 7, 2017 Just now, DrBorris said: Banshee is more of a gun frame than Mesa IMO, Mesa uses her guns, Banshee empowers you to use your guns. Just because a Warframe does not aesthetically scream "hey, I like guns", it does not mean that they are not centered around gunplay. The Banahee frame is more centered around sound or lack there of, and Octavia is all about rhythm. Mesa is a gunslinger or gunfighter. Currently she stands alone in that category. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mintaro Posted November 7, 2017 Share Posted November 7, 2017 What i would like to see is a gunplay warframe that has an instant reload ability i know that doesn't sound like much but it rather neat to have with those times of vulnerability when reloading. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(XBOX)YoungGunn82 Posted November 7, 2017 Author Share Posted November 7, 2017 6 minutes ago, Tachibana_Hibiki said: Ivara is focused on primary True, but she's a hunter/assassin frame. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unus Posted November 7, 2017 Share Posted November 7, 2017 21 minutes ago, (Xbox One)Graysmog said: So this guy? Goddem that Daemonstar, pioneering warframe concepts before I even knew of warframe! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tachibana_Hibiki Posted November 7, 2017 Share Posted November 7, 2017 Just now, (Xbox One)RDeschain82 said: True, but she's a hunter/assassin frame. Both our statements are true, only difference is how you slice it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(XBOX)Graysmog Posted November 7, 2017 Share Posted November 7, 2017 2 minutes ago, Mintaro said: What i would like to see is a gunplay warframe that has an instant reload ability i know that doesn't sound like much but it rather neat to have with those times of vulnerability when reloading. To be fair, we already have Harrow and Volt, who boost our Reload Speeds. An instant-reload ability seems far too limited and overly good to even be considered, not to mention the fact that using an ability and energy to instantly reload, instead of just reloading, is a little mundane. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(XBOX)YoungGunn82 Posted November 7, 2017 Author Share Posted November 7, 2017 (edited) His passive could be an innate 15m ammo vacuum Edited November 7, 2017 by (XB1)RDeschain82 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(PSN)psycofang Posted November 7, 2017 Share Posted November 7, 2017 (edited) 6 hours ago, (Xbox One)RDeschain82 said: I would think nova is more element than time frame though..maybe little of both.. Molecular manipulation is an aspect of time and in turn time manipulation or matter distortion/displacement which is also spacial. Basically Nova is the proven counter part of Limbos theoretical application of collapsing/manipulating molecular aspects an astronomically high scale. In short Nova is basic separate elements whereas Limbo is amalgamation of those elements i.e. Nova is tame application side grade of Limbo who is an extreme application. There are 2 time and space frames Edited November 7, 2017 by (PS4)psycofang Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(XBOX)Graysmog Posted November 7, 2017 Share Posted November 7, 2017 Just now, (Xbox One)RDeschain82 said: His passive Could be a innate 15m ammo vacuum I'd rather have it so he received a bigger magazine size and reserve ammo for all Primaries, which could stack with Carrier's Mod. All the excess ammo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arniox Posted November 7, 2017 Share Posted November 7, 2017 5 hours ago, baldy117 said: Rhino's ult might be more of temporal stasis? My friend and I ages ago way back in the day used to say that rhino stomped so hard the planet moved downwards and gravity was borken for a short time :P Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mintaro Posted November 7, 2017 Share Posted November 7, 2017 15 minutes ago, (Xbox One)Graysmog said: To be fair, we already have Harrow and Volt, who boost our Reload Speeds. An instant-reload ability seems far too limited and overly good to even be considered, not to mention the fact that using an ability and energy to instantly reload, instead of just reloading, is a little mundane. Would be cheaper than 25 energy. Maybe gain some ammo along with it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(XBOX)Graysmog Posted November 7, 2017 Share Posted November 7, 2017 Just now, Mintaro said: Would be cheaper than 25 energy. Maybe gain some ammo along with it? You couldn't really make that lower than 25 Energy with Streamline and Fleeting Expertise around. Alas, even if it gave you extra ammo, it'd be incredibly limited and pointless, especially since Carrier's Ammo Case, Ammo Restores and Ammo Mutation mods exist. Very few weapons have ammo problems as it is. I could see an ability replenishing you and your allies ammo completely, yet DE probably wouldn't let that happen, just because it'd be too easy with how easy Energy is to get. If they did, they'd probably make it so it took a % amount of the Warframes' Energy for the missing ammo, which could be ridiculous on certain weapons. Overall, it just wouldn't work, at least in my opinion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrBorris Posted November 7, 2017 Share Posted November 7, 2017 (edited) 19 minutes ago, (Xbox One)Graysmog said: I mean, I guess? Mesa is literally part gun though, her arms and fingers form the Peacemakers themselves. I'm not sure we can get much more "gun frame" than that. Also, if we're being technical, Banshee's Sonar just prompts you to use your weapons overall for that extra damage. She's not truly based around gun-play as much as Mesa is, who has two abilities that specifically boost her guns, and nothing else. Cool, Mesa has guns attached to her, but does that actually encourage you to use your guns? Mesa does enable gunplay to an extent with her abilities, but nowhere near the degree of Banshee. Let me explain... Sonic Boom: For any frame based on shooting, the last thing you want is an enemy in melee range. Sonic Boom makes enemies that get close go away. Sonar: This one is obvious, if you can aim, you can kill. Sure there is Resonance, but that is an augment. Silence: This is the foundation of Banshee as a ranged Warframe, Silence stuns enemies in a mid-range engagement for you to quickly dispatch them. This synergizes with Sonar in that Sonar allows you to very quickly dispatch enemies in the three second stun Silence gives. The best defense is a good offense. Sound Quake: In the case that you fail Banshee's skill check and enemies break through your ranged line of defense (Silence), you can push your panic button and stop enemy movement until you can get your bearing. Banshee is more of a skill-based gunslinger than Mesa, where Mesa does the work for you by giving a straight up damage boost, deflecting bullets for you, and even aiming for you, Banshee gives you the tools to do all of those things for yourself and empowers your playstyle. 18 minutes ago, (Xbox One)RDeschain82 said: The Banahee frame is more centered around sound or lack there of, and Octavia is all about rhythm. Mesa is a gunslinger or gunfighter. Currently she stands alone in that category. Again, that is her theme. Theme does not translate directly to gameplay, Banshee's gameplay is that of a gunslinger to an extent. Octavia's "theme" is rhythm, but her gameplay is that of an area-denial team-buffer. It is very short-sighted to only see a Warframe's theme as what makes their playstyle, how a Warframe works is much complicated. Look past how a Warframe looks and see how they work, many other Warframes have a leaning towards gunplay as others have mentioned. You don't need a Warframe to scream "I LIKE GUNZ" in order for them to be heavily tailored towards shooting. Edited November 7, 2017 by DrBorris Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(XBOX)Graysmog Posted November 7, 2017 Share Posted November 7, 2017 (edited) 12 minutes ago, DrBorris said: -snip- I think that's just arguing semantics man. Banshee helps gunplay, and so does Mesa, the only difference is Mesa has abilities that only specifically buff her guns, unlike Banshee. Hence why I feel she's more of a "gun-frame" than Banshee, since her abilities are obviously meant to buff her firearms, and nothing else. To even buff up her 1, you have to use firearms or her Ultimate, as nothing else works. Whether she "requires more skill" than Banshee is really just up to opinion, and I said nothing about skill-level determining whether a Warframe is more "gun-based" than another. Either way, they both emphasize using guns. I guess you could say Banshee is far more based around precision shots, however, while Mesa is far more about pumping out imprecise damage in a short amount of time. Edited November 7, 2017 by (XB1)Graysmog Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(XBOX)YoungGunn82 Posted November 7, 2017 Author Share Posted November 7, 2017 23 minutes ago, (PS4)psycofang said: Molecular manipulation is an aspect of time and in turn time manipulation or matter distortion/displacement which is also spacial. Basically Nova is the proven counter part of Limbos theoretical application of collapsing/manipulating molecular aspects an astronomically high scale. In short Nova is basic separate elements whereas Limbo is amalgamation of those elements i.e. Nova is tame application side grade of Limbo who is an extreme application. There are 2 time and space frames Learned something new today. Ty Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(XBOX)YoungGunn82 Posted November 7, 2017 Author Share Posted November 7, 2017 (edited) 33 minutes ago, DrBorris said: Cool, Mesa has guns attached to her, but does that actually encourage you to use your guns? Mesa does enable gunplay to an extent with her abilities, but nowhere near the degree of Banshee. Let me explain... Sonic Boom: For any frame based on shooting, the last thing you want is an enemy in melee range. Sonic Boom makes enemies that get close go away. Sonar: This one is obvious, if you can aim, you can kill. Sure there is Resonance, but that is an augment. Silence: This is the foundation of Banshee as a ranged Warframe, Silence stuns enemies in a mid-range engagement for you to quickly dispatch them. This synergizes with Sonar in that Sonar allows you to very quickly dispatch enemies in the three second stun Silence gives. The best defense is a good offense. Sound Quake: In the case that you fail Banshee's skill check and enemies break through your ranged line of defense (Silence), you can push your panic button and stop enemy movement until you can get your bearing. Banshee is more of a skill-based gunslinger than Mesa, where Mesa does the work for you by giving a straight up damage boost, deflecting bullets for you, and even aiming for you, Banshee gives you the tools to do all of those things for yourself and empowers your playstyle. Again, that is her theme. Theme does not translate directly to gameplay, Banshee's gameplay is that of a gunslinger to an extent. Octavia's "theme" is rhythm, but her gameplay is that of an area-denial team-buffer. It is very short-sighted to only see a Warframe's theme as what makes their playstyle, how a Warframe works is much complicated. Look past how a Warframe looks and see how they work, many other Warframes have a leaning towards gunplay as others have mentioned. You don't need a Warframe to scream "I LIKE GUNZ" in order for them to be heavily tailored towards shooting. I completely get what you are saying. However every Frame has a particular theme. And there are at least 2 of each theme: (Except for Mesa the Gunslinger) Sound- Banshe/Octavia Elemental- Ember Frost Esc Esc Time- Nova Limbo Assassin- Ivara Ash Trickster-Loki Mirage Summoning- Nidus Nekros Support- Trinity Harrow Oberon Flight- Titania Zephyr Melee- Excalibur Valkyr Wukong Atlas Esc esc IMO a Commando, Gunzerker, Special forces soldier, guerrilla theme would be a nice side grade to Mesa. Edited November 7, 2017 by (XB1)RDeschain82 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corvid Posted November 7, 2017 Share Posted November 7, 2017 3 hours ago, SPARTAN-187.Thanatos said: Mad Jack Churchill Wouldn't he be an archer/bard frame? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
o.0- Posted November 7, 2017 Share Posted November 7, 2017 30 minutes ago, Corvid said: Wouldn't he be an archer/bard frame? Well, he wielded a huge claymore during WWII. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lady_Xenomorph Posted November 7, 2017 Share Posted November 7, 2017 There is a lot of potential for new type of frames. It could be bow master, sniper type, assault rifle master, monk type etc. There is a lot of idea still and the variations are infinite. Maybe the next male frame (after Khora) could be a weapon speacialist. I personally want an infiltrator frame, a xenomorph like frame, flora, and a spider type frame - there is 2 nice concept for it (drider - widow). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fulgie Posted November 7, 2017 Share Posted November 7, 2017 excuse me. Chroma ? Harrow? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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