-KK-Rossy Posted December 19, 2018 Share Posted December 19, 2018 I just finished Forma'ing and doing all the fancy things up my Regulators Prime and noticed that, confusingly, the Primed Version seems weaker. Same build same everything really, but lower base damage numbers. can someone point out my error or tell me if i missed something? very tired right now so probably did miss something. Also my bad if this has already come up somewhere, i couldn't find it when i looked. Primed Version Left. (obviously seeing thats what this post is about) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aisu9 Posted December 19, 2018 Share Posted December 19, 2018 power strengh ? 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-KK-Rossy Posted December 19, 2018 Author Share Posted December 19, 2018 That would likely be the issue completely forgot that gets factored in. Thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xcenic Posted December 19, 2018 Share Posted December 19, 2018 7 minutes ago, -KK-Rossy said: That would likely be the issue completely forgot that gets factored in. Thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(XBOX)GearsMatrix301 Posted December 19, 2018 Share Posted December 19, 2018 This is genuinely unacceptable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(XBOX)Zweimander Posted December 20, 2018 Share Posted December 20, 2018 actually looking at the stats they are indeed weaker... How are primed regulators going to be weaker then the normal ones! DE fix this now and make them stronger then the normal ones! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-KK-Rossy Posted December 20, 2018 Author Share Posted December 20, 2018 9 hours ago, Aisu9 said: power strengh ? 8 hours ago, -KK-Rossy said: That would likely be the issue completely forgot that gets factored in. Thanks 3 hours ago, (XB1)Zweimander said: actually looking at the stats they are indeed weaker... How are primed regulators going to be weaker then the normal ones! DE fix this now and make them stronger then the normal ones! Okay so just tested the power strength factor can confirm that was my mistake, however the Stats are exactly the same, I can live with that, but it would've been nice to see maybe a small buff to them, to set them apart from the normal ones a bit better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(XBOX)Zweimander Posted December 20, 2018 Share Posted December 20, 2018 4 minutes ago, -KK-Rossy said: Okay so just tested the power strength factor can confirm that was my mistake, however the Stats are exactly the same, I can live with that, but it would've been nice to see maybe a small buff to them, to set them apart from the normal ones a bit better. Yeah I noticed that as well and while i'm not as triggered something that is prime should have some sort of buff either way. So I agree with you on that part. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LethUlgu Posted December 24, 2018 Share Posted December 24, 2018 So i tested normal regulators and regulator prime, mesa prime has 15% more powerstrength than my regular mesa, and both regulators got the same mods. Using 2 arcane velocity on both. But the prime regulators take longer to kill a nox eximus than the normal ones. Stats are exactly the same on both regulators so what gives? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MasterBurik Posted December 24, 2018 Share Posted December 24, 2018 On 2018-12-20 at 12:08 AM, -KK-Rossy said: Okay so just tested the power strength factor can confirm that was my mistake, however the Stats are exactly the same, I can live with that, but it would've been nice to see maybe a small buff to them, to set them apart from the normal ones a bit better. Giving Regulators Prime a buff would have spat in the face of Exalted Blade and Valkyr Talons, which didn't receive a buff for their prime/umbra versions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NinjaZeku Posted December 24, 2018 Share Posted December 24, 2018 On 2018-12-20 at 6:18 AM, (XB1)Zweimander said: something that is prime should have some sort of buff either way I disagree strongly, give Prime Frames better survival stats or whatever, sure, but ability-wise, Primes should be the exact same as regular Frames. (And seriously, buffing Peacemaker. Come on now.) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
m0b1us1 Posted December 25, 2018 Share Posted December 25, 2018 On 2018-12-20 at 12:08 AM, -KK-Rossy said: Okay so just tested the power strength factor can confirm that was my mistake, however the Stats are exactly the same, I can live with that, but it would've been nice to see maybe a small buff to them, to set them apart from the normal ones a bit better. They are abilities. Abilities don't get buffs from their base varients. Only thing that changes in primed warframes are looks and base stats. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fenrys_Delta Posted December 25, 2018 Share Posted December 25, 2018 With the exact same build, the numbers are the same. The Prime Regulators are just like the old ones. But with "prime" in the name. Which kinda sucks, IMO. At least buff them a lil bit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LethUlgu Posted December 25, 2018 Share Posted December 25, 2018 Compared the two yesterday again, on lvl 15 and 20 nox eximus without any mods on the frame and regulators this time, and the prime version indeed takes longer to kill. Dunno if the problem is on my end so if anyone could doublecheck that would be nice. For reference i removed all mods from mesa (prime) and her regulators (prime) and didnt use any arcana. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiltskillet Posted December 25, 2018 Share Posted December 25, 2018 I don't think Peacemaker or any exalted weapon--or any ability--needs to be stronger on the prime version. I don't recall people being worried about this with Valkyr or Excalibur--probably because their primes were around before the exalted conversion to moddable weapons earlier this year. But if it's too confusing for people going forward, just take "prime" out of exalted weapon names and I think the fluster will largely disappear. Obviously, if there's something making Peacemaker - worse - on Mesa Prime than Mesa, that needs to get fixed. 4 hours ago, LethUlgu said: Compared the two yesterday again, on lvl 15 and 20 nox eximus without any mods on the frame and regulators this time, and the prime version indeed takes longer to kill. Dunno if the problem is on my end so if anyone could doublecheck that would be nice. For reference i removed all mods from mesa (prime) and her regulators (prime) and didnt use any arcana. What were the times, exactly? I'd recommend trying it on higher level enemies and more than one pass to take some of the variance out. I don't have Mesa Prime yet, or I'd be interested to try it myself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LethUlgu Posted December 26, 2018 Share Posted December 26, 2018 (edited) Tried on Arson and Arctic Eximus LVL 115 again. Both regulators used the same loadout: Hornet Strike, Barrel Diffusion, Lethal Torrent, Target Cracker, Pistol Gambit, Convulsion and Heated Charge. None of them prime mods. I used 2 Arcane Velocity on both. Normal Mesa has 185% Power Strength, Mesa Prime has 200% Power Strength. Didn't use Shooting Gallery or any buffs, only the Peacemaker ability. Normal Mesa takes around 20 seconds to kill the Nox. Mesa Prime takes around 26 seconds to kill the Nox. I killed several Nox per Mesa to doublecheck. Just by pure numbers Mesa Prime should have a sligh advantage, but instead she is behind in DPS by a large margin. Edited December 26, 2018 by LethUlgu Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fenrys_Delta Posted December 26, 2018 Share Posted December 26, 2018 15 minutes ago, LethUlgu said: Tried on Arson and Arctic Eximus LVL 115 again. Both regulators used the same loadout: Hornet Strike, Barrel Diffusion, Lethal Torrent, Target Cracker, Pistol Gambit, Convulsion and Heated Charge. None of them prime mods. I used 2 Arcane Velocity on both. Normal Mesa has 185% Power Strength, Mesa Prime has 200% Power Strength. Didn't use Shooting Gallery or any buffs, only the Peacemaker ability. Normal Mesa takes around 20 seconds to kill the Nox. Mesa Prime takes around 26 seconds to kill the Nox. I killed several Nox per Mesa to doublecheck. Just by pure numbers Mesa Prime should have a sligh advantage, but instead she is behind in DPS by a large margin. I´d suggest you do your tests without any arcanes. It´s one less variant to worry about. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoachySoap Posted December 26, 2018 Share Posted December 26, 2018 (edited) 28 minutes ago, LethUlgu said: Tried on Arson and Arctic Eximus LVL 115 again. Both regulators used the same loadout: Hornet Strike, Barrel Diffusion, Lethal Torrent, Target Cracker, Pistol Gambit, Convulsion and Heated Charge. None of them prime mods. I used 2 Arcane Velocity on both. Normal Mesa has 185% Power Strength, Mesa Prime has 200% Power Strength. Didn't use Shooting Gallery or any buffs, only the Peacemaker ability. Normal Mesa takes around 20 seconds to kill the Nox. Mesa Prime takes around 26 seconds to kill the Nox. I killed several Nox per Mesa to doublecheck. Just by pure numbers Mesa Prime should have a sligh advantage, but instead she is behind in DPS by a large margin. I actually do feel as if the Prime Regulators shoot just a tiny bit slower than the non-Primed Regulators. Either the ramp up time is slower or the rate of fire at max is slower. Testing both Mesas and both Regulators with exact stats in the Simulacrum and the Prime version always end up using significantly more energy/time to kill the same amount of enemies. Edited December 26, 2018 by RoachySoap Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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