It'd be nice if the Quills price for wisps was 1,000 rep each

[sir_deadlock]

I just traded for 4 wisps the other day. I was under a misapprehension.

When mulling it over, I thought "that's a bit of a steep price... but I guess it's worth it worth it for 40 wisps. Then I can start work on my amp."

I mean sure, 40,000 rep is the price of a whole other amp. It can take an average player a few hours to gather that many cores and the daily rep cap of most player will have the turn-in spread across multiple days. When I traded for wisps and went to my foundry I was like "wait... where are they?" then I saw my count had gone up by 4, not 40. My heart sank in that moment.

Far beyond not going to be able to build my amp, there was the realization that to actually gain enough wisps through this method afford a 2-2-3 amp would cost 500,000 reputation points.

Of course I'm going to have to learn how to farm wisps, which I know is a tediously long process of going in and out of the plains, patrolling a coastal route; I was trying to save time by sacrificing the resources gained from the time I'd already invested.

... 500,000 reputation points? That's an MR25 rep cap over the course of 20 days.

Please, making it 1,000 rep each, rather than 10,000 rep each.

[WarmongerExtraordinare]

its so NOT HARD to farm wisps tho, especially with the infinite archwing charges

[sir_deadlock]

31 minutes ago, GerberaOverture said:

its so NOT HARD to farm wisps tho, especially with the infinite archwing charges

That's my point, yeah. They're supposedly not so hard to get that they need to be that expensive.

I was trying to save time. If I hadn't made the mistake of thinking I'd be getting 10x more, I'd have kept my rep and put on my farming hat.

Now, I'm going to have to start farming anyway, but I'm 40,000 rep down. Of course, I'll be farming for 36 wisps, not 40... biiig help.

If I were to get at least an average of 3 wisps every load in, at a quick minute loading time, I can optimistically hope to spend about 20 minutes waiting for loading screens. It is what it is.

Also, I just started farming. Found out that loot radar doesn't work on the k-drive. Well, there's a trip I can't get back. Also, the wisps can't be picked up while on board of the k-drive. I do much prefer the k-drive for the plains though, since unlike archwing there's no risk of dunking under the water or treading through an energy sap.

Edited December 24, 2018 by sir_deadlock

[(XBOX)GearsMatrix301]

They literally spawn in the Plains just floating by lakes and such. Brozime has a guide to farm them.

 

[sir_deadlock]

1 hour ago, (XB1)GearsMatrix301 said:

They literally spawn in the Plains just floating by lakes and such. Brozime has a guide to farm them.

 

I know they do. I was hoping I could save the effort by buying them.

My post's point is that the current cost is way too high. Like 10x too high. Even you just now are telling me that it's not worth it to buy them with Quills rep and my time would better be spent just going out and getting them, which I agree with you on. Getting that rep took me days. In less than an hour I've already gotten those four wisps.

I thought I was trading for 10x more wisps than I got and still felt like that was a hard choice compared to going out and farming them.

 I'm using this guide: 

 

 

Edited December 24, 2018 by sir_deadlock

[Teliko_Freedman]

Get loot detecter, travel through Gara's Thot Lake through the middle between the coasts while looking at your map with Archwing.

If there's a box icon signifying item that is on the coast, stop and take a look. If it's Wisp, Hurray.

From one end of the lake to the other, you should get at least 1-2 wisp per run, go back to Cetus, through the gates. Turn around around and repeat.

That's it.

 

If you were trying to get these fast by paying rep for it, you'd actually have spent way more time getting said rep, than outright just going out and getting it.

Like 5 days versus 2 hours.

[(XBOX)Oops All Sin]

I'd be happy if they cost 5k instead of 10k, while its still a lot, it's much better

[sir_deadlock]

On 2018-12-26 at 10:06 AM, (XB1)IconicCord590 said:

I'd be happy if they cost 5k instead of 10k, while its still a lot, it's much better

Better, yeah. That's still 250,000 quills reputation on enough wisps for one amp. That'd take more than a week to farm. Meanwhile, going to the plains and actually farming the wisps would take a couple hours. It's not a fair exchange.

I'm coming from the perspective that there's a lot to do in this game and buying wisps from the quills is supposed to be a time saver. There's more content coming out all the time. PoE is a year old, the new content is being focused on Venus. It's worth it to make wisp acquisition easier in this way. This is a grind they can cut back on, because to utilize it still involves spending time in the planes via eidolon and vomvalyst hunting.

There is some more content in the future for PoE in the form of Biz Brand floofs introducing PoE beasties, but that's not wisp farming. Wisp farming is a very specific objective and oddly enough, wisps hadn't appeared so often for me when I was just playing the rounds. After farming, I learned that maybe one or two appear in most loads, so if a mission is taking players in the opposite direction, they'll completely miss it, which I did most of the time. On top of that, if a player passes one and doesn't see it, it flies away.

At 1,000 quills rep per wisp, it would cost 50,000 quills rep to build an amp, on top of the cost to buy the parts. That's maybe 4 days grind. Again, it's faster to straight up farm wisps, but a grind a person doesn't want to do will stop a person from enjoying the game, even if it's faster.

When I learned I could skip the grind and spend my hard earned quills rep on wisps, I was happily excited! Then I was sadly disappointed at learning how impractical the price is. Even at 1,000 I was a little hesitant, but If I'm going to be farming for 20 wisps, 30 wisps or even 50 wisps, 12 (120,000 quills rep) isn't going to make much of a difference. It's also not going to be worth the expense when I could be spending that rep on the other 100,000 rep required items.

[Chaemyerelis]

I wish. Going in and out of the plains after some quick "pond runs" gets old.

[Bristoling]

To people saying you can farm them easily by the lakes and such - yes, they are quite easy to farm, however the farm itself is boring as hell. If you fish, for example, you can catch 50+ fish in 20 minutes and gain like 20-40k standing from them. Meanwhile, you can get around 20 wisps during the day or 40 with a booster. For Quills, that is 200-400k standing. 

Point is, wisps aren't hard to farm, so they shouldn't be expensive in terms of standing. 1k standing per wisp would be much more appropriate, 10k standing with any syndicate is a lot:

- you can get Pax Seeker which costs 10-15p

- you can get Vox arcanes that can sell for 40+p at this very moment

- you can get half of an arch-gun/melee which sells for 15-20p (full one)

- or you can get 1 Wisp.

See the problem?

 

[Cephalycion]

Wisps are definitely not worth getting through quills standing right now. The option is there but noone should use it. And that's the problem.

[(PSN)VariantX7]

On 2018-12-24 at 3:19 PM, GerberaOverture said:

its so NOT HARD to farm wisps tho, especially with the infinite archwing charges

Wisps were never hard to get even with the charges in play. Its just flying around lakes and ponds as much as possible for 40 minutes before sun rise and its kind of a boring thing to do. Difficulty aint the issue, fun is. I can farm Toroids all day because its fun to fight corpus as they escalate and pull out all the stops and every unit they can throw at you until you're forced to make the call and pull back to be able to cash in on your rewards. They just need to figure out a way to make the farm for these things fun. 

[kubbi]

8 hours ago, Bristoling said:

To people saying you can farm them easily by the lakes and such - yes, they are quite easy to farm, however the farm itself is boring as hell. If you fish, for example, you can catch 50+ fish in 20 minutes and gain like 20-40k standing from them. Meanwhile, you can get around 20 wisps during the day or 40 with a booster. For Quills, that is 200-400k standing. 

Point is, wisps aren't hard to farm, so they shouldn't be expensive in terms of standing. 1k standing per wisp would be much more appropriate, 10k standing with any syndicate is a lot:

- you can get Pax Seeker which costs 10-15p

- you can get Vox arcanes that can sell for 40+p at this very moment

- you can get half of an arch-gun/melee which sells for 15-20p (full one)

- or you can get 1 Wisp.

See the problem?

 

This guy nailed it .

[NeopetsMaster4432]

I personally enjoyed running around looking for wisps. 😓 But I still have no intention of ever doing it again since I've acquired what I wanted to get. 😄
But yeah, I completely agree that the standing Standing price for wisps is totally out of sync with both how many of them are needed, and how easy they are to be acquired.

How often do you get wisps as Bounty rewards? Is running Bounties a viable wisp farming strategy, or more of a sorta-passive way of gaining them while you gain Cetus standing?

[Mest_Gryder]

Am 24.12.2018 um 21:15 schrieb sir_deadlock:

I just traded for 4 wisps the other day. I was under a misapprehension.

When mulling it over, I thought "that's a bit of a steep price... but I guess it's worth it worth it for 40 wisps. Then I can start work on my amp."

I mean sure, 40,000 rep is the price of a whole other amp. It can take an average player a few hours to gather that many cores and the daily rep cap of most player will have the turn-in spread across multiple days. When I traded for wisps and went to my foundry I was like "wait... where are they?" then I saw my count had gone up by 4, not 40. My heart sank in that moment.

Far beyond not going to be able to build my amp, there was the realization that to actually gain enough wisps through this method afford a 2-2-3 amp would cost 500,000 reputation points.

Of course I'm going to have to learn how to farm wisps, which I know is a tediously long process of going in and out of the plains, patrolling a coastal route; I was trying to save time by sacrificing the resources gained from the time I'd already invested.

... 500,000 reputation points? That's an MR25 rep cap over the course of 20 days.

Please, making it 1,000 rep each, rather than 10,000 rep each.

totally agree

[Steel_Rook]

On 2018-12-24 at 10:19 PM, GerberaOverture said:

its so NOT HARD to farm wisps tho, especially with the infinite archwing charges

It's not hard to hit your Space Bar 1000 times in an hour, but that doesn't make it compelling gameplay. Farming for Wisps is pretty much the worst, least involving way of playing Warframe as far as I'm concerned, as there's no real "gameplay" involved in it beyond what you'd find in your run-of-the-mill Steam Direct asset flip game. There's no real combat or even any specific mechanics around them. It's not even like Toroid Farming which at least involves some decently-intense firefights. I get that this is a grindy game, but this is going a little overboard.

[--RV--Dopekoke]

you could always do tridolons for the standings and when plague star arrives, use that standing for cetus wisps too, they're even cheaper.

[Bristoling]

51 minutes ago, Dopekoke said:

you could always do tridolons for the standings and when plague star arrives, use that standing for cetus wisps too, they're even cheaper.

Tridolon standing is better spent buying and crafting Arcanes. A 10k standing arcane can sell for 20-30p. When Plague Star is up, you are spending 10-15 minutes per run to get what, 3-4k standing if I remember correctly? 1 Wisp every 10-15 minutes is even more boring and tedious to do since instead of running around picking Wisps of the shore you have to travel 1000m into the cave, then out the cave, then another 500m to the drone, then escort the drone for another 750m... you get the point. If anything, its better but buy rare gems in high quantity if you hate mining and then spend Quill standing to continuously make and sell operator arcanes. That's the most efficient use of both Quill and Plague Star standing.

I'm sorry but both suggestions are terrible. Its like saying "Hey, from now on all MR 1 weapons for all new players can be bought from syndicates for 4k standing so that they can get 1 every 4 days, or be farmed from this place, but they have to do 10 jumps, 10 situps, all while listening to Justing Bieber and watching how quickly does the paint dry ". Sure, 10 jumps, 10 situps, tolerating bad music or watching something isn't hard, but it feels tedious, boring and pointless. You wouldn't do that to new players as its cruel.

Again, I'll refer to my previous post:

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[...] 10k standing with any syndicate is a lot:

- you can get Pax Seeker which costs 10-15p

- you can get Vox arcanes that can sell for 40+p at this very moment

- you can get half of an arch-gun/melee which sells for 15-20p (full one)

- or you can get 1 Wisp.

See the problem?

 

Edited January 1, 2019 by Bristoling

[sir_deadlock]

On 2018-12-26 at 10:06 AM, (XB1)IconicCord590 said:

I'd be happy if they cost 5k instead of 10k, while its still a lot, it's much better

Congrats. They liked your suggestion.

I still say it's way too high considering the time investment.

I don't see 100,000 standing for 20 wisps as a fair exchange.