Saryn can beat goku by casting spores and hiding.

[Kaotyke]

On 2023-07-27 at 8:54 AM, RLanzinger said:

Broly is my fav' Character with Trunks

 

[RLanzinger]

🤣

To @Kaotyke : that a damn good one 👍👍👍

Edited July 29, 2023 by RLanzinger
Some wrong typo ;p

[(XBOX)Architect Prime]

20 hours ago, RLanzinger said:

This is why I limit the the example of Child-Goku and Adult Goku SS1 (just when trunks retrun from future and meet Goku)... anything after is a full delirium.

There are plenty of hacky ways for warframes to win. Off topic, but Limbo could pretty easily put Goku in the rift and that would be that. The reason why I don't think Goku can't overcome the rift is because it isn't a matter of power. You can't get out of the rift by trying really hard, going really fast, or learning a technique. The only way to get out from the rift is with the advanced tech made from scientific stuff that allows that kind of travel. Otherwise, you're stuck. So, unless Bulma or somebody figures out how to get Goku out, he will starve and die there. If nothing else, he'd be completely contained. For example, if Goku used instant transmission in the rift, he'd go where he wants, but still be in the rift. 

Edited July 29, 2023 by (XBOX)Architect Prime

[RLanzinger]

To @(XBOX)Architect Prime,

NOPE : Limbo cannot trap Goku, Teleport can get him out of hell or any dimensions... he did learn after Namek Saga, before meeting Trunks (still in the limit I choose earlier).

Find a more clever method...

Edited July 29, 2023 by RLanzinger
Some wrong mispelling ;p

[(XBOX)Architect Prime]

20 minutes ago, RLanzinger said:

To @(XBOX)Architect Prime,

NOPE : Limbo cannot trap Goku, Teleport can get him out of hell or any dimensions... he did learn after Namek Saga, before meeting Trunks (still in the limit I choose earlier).

Find a more clever method...

First of all, instant transmission often behaves like very fast movement and other times it's like teleportation. 

Secondly, the rift does not behave like those "dimensions" you listed. If you teleport from hell to earth, you go to earth. But if you're in the rift, and teleport from hell to earth, you're still in the rift - just now on earth. 

Edited July 29, 2023 by (XBOX)Architect Prime

[nslay]

I think the Tenno controlling Saryn would get bored by the multi-episode monologues and flashbacks of Goku getting stronger or weaker or overcoming some crippling personal issue.... and well, the Tenno would be watching YouTube or something and Goku would eventually kill the AFK Saryn.

[RLanzinger]

To @(XBOX)Architect Prime

Themain reason why i said Limbo ability, Is that it already have been use against GOKU. The only problem to was he (hum hum ... stupidly forgot he could teleport) and ended up fighting and vanquish his enemy; The Joke was in the end of the episode when Krillin ask him if he could just get away from this reality bending/magic -_-;;

Goku worst enemy his himself and his "simpleness".

-His teleportation his a mental skill for evading physical and mental aggression (mainly because the extraterrestrial beings who develop this could not fight at all...).
-Child Goku had travel to others dimensions in the past, and was able able go get to his own thanks to Arale and Turbo (Dr Slump). Also Bulam already create such device that his trunks time and space travelling machine.

Limbo

-The Rift is the place between reality and the void. Also the Rift itself does not kill but the place could erode the mentality of some (this happens to Vegeta) but Goku being not very smart is mainly protected against such method.

 

Also Goku's teleportation (pair with others Mental abilities linked to this) allow him to track, communicate and teleport to someone he has seen (happens when he meet Tao Pai Pai in Cell ark). As long as Goku can "think" of it, he can track anyone in the rift; Limbo could not escape him...

To @nslay, : Goku / Saryn is the same difference between a Duellist and a Warrior; One is specialised in 1 vs 1 an the others in a battle configuration; As a Roleplaying master, I rarely see games and people understanding the difference.

• Like Sport or Martial Art; the first is specialised to fight within some rules, the second without any...
• Tenno are usually warriors, made to fight a lot of enemies or more rarely one strong.
• Child-Goku and young Goku is mainly a tournament/adventurous one. He rarely fight an army apart from the ever returning Red Ribbon.

On a One vs One Tenno is clearly challenged but if you speak about a open battle versus an army of ... let say "a thousand 40k Space Marines", Im' sure Tenno will be more efficient (Blowing up a planet / city / Cathedral ship is forbidden, Tunguska Canon include).

[(XBOX)Architect Prime]

55 minutes ago, RLanzinger said:

To @(XBOX)Architect Prime

Themain reason why i said Limbo ability, Is that it already have been use against GOKU. The only problem to was he (hum hum ... stupidly forgot he could teleport)

I don't think you understood what I was trying to say. The rift isn't something that has the same kind of locality as the normal universe. When someone is in the rift, they can still move around in the enviroment, but are unable to have any kind of impact on their surroundings. They are in the rift, but they are still in the same location. For this reason, teleportation appears to be useless, since anywhere you teleport would still be in the rift. It doesn't matter if he's in the time chamber, another universe, or hell. He can teleport anywhere he wants and it does nothing to get him out of the rift.

 

Goku's only hope is if non-tenno can get out by backflipping lmao

Edited July 29, 2023 by (XBOX)Architect Prime

[RLanzinger]

Dear @(XBOX)Architect Prime,

First, what you miss to understand is that enter and exiting the rift mean can be done by Limbo but not only him. If there is an exit, he can found it.

Second there is a lot of of solution for Goku :

1. When Limbo is in the Rift, Goku can instant teleport behind him and grab Limbo, unless limbo what to Eternaly lose his option to go to the RIFT !!!
2. Goku can Teleport out of reality bending area, it already has been done.
3. Goku can telepathically call -For example- Baba. She can se future and find any object that exist and could help goku inside the rift (an exit).
4. Goku can telepathically call Arale and baby-Turbo to help him. Turbo possess Intellect far beyond Bulma level as well as Esper abilities beyond any Opertaor and in part with Ivan Whisky aka Cyborg-001.
5. Goku can telepathically call for Future Trunks, to come to Taxi him out of the realm with his Space-Time-Travel Machine.
6. Goku can telepathically call Bulma to build exit portal or an Anti-Rift Bracelet, Upgrade his Radar to find Rift's Portal.
7. & more... I could continue this all the day...

What you miss is :

• If Limbo trap an enemy he can't fight, HE LOSE HIS ONLY USEFULL ABILITY... it's more a lost to Limbo that a victory.
• Rift between the Void and Reality happens more often in the game in place know as VOID TEMPEST (category Five) which usually destroy most unlucky ship... So Goku could exit from there (thanks to baba).

I personally Like Limbo as he remind me of Sailor Moon's Tuxedo Kamen, very stylish, can save the day but usually the absolute weakest of the bunch. Only His intellect and bravery can only help him subdue his enemies. An you clearly did not think enough as a good Limbo.

PS : Also Goku don't fear monsters, phantom or anything that exit in Hell. The Rift could be a very distracting Place, with the help of the capsules, he can setup a house or picnic party in the Rift waiting for Limbo. Food won't be a problem !!!

THINK BETTER !!! Know your enemy, Know yourself and you will win all battle. (So far I know the two better that you, so I am still winning...)

[RLanzinger]

To @(XBOX)Architect Prime,

Let me play Limbo Advocate... What are Limbo assets ? Open-mindedly speaking :

• Limbo is like Marcel Aimé's character "The Man who Could Walk through Walls", he may be intangible like a phantom and banish people to the "spirit" realm. He surely can go through wall (not possible in game but its' the game limitation)
• Inside his domain, he can heal an allies (why not himself), the more enemies the stronger he become, he can also stop time and have infinite Energy (Like C17/C18).
• His main ability are to create Void Storm anywhere in his Line of sight. Bigger or Smaller (Kamehameha is not always at Full power, why Tenno may not be able to scale their attack ?)
• His favorite weapons are a Rapier and Buckshot gun (Prime set : Destreza/Pyrana). That make him the most frenchy Warframe...
• His flaws and forte : He is not very strong, Nor very fast but surely very agile. He may be able to sense spatial disturbance around him when inside the rift, precisely locating an enemy.

How could Limbo Fight (in open battle  / in a tournament -no primary nor secondary- ) ?

1. He need a PLAN
2. Banish his enemy is for gaining time or evading a powerfull attack by placing an rift portal between him and the Kamehameha.
3. He need a battle style : A bit more like Wooin from Eleceed, attack first, attack fast and surprise the enemy with multiple rifts explosions. because unlike mos DBZ attack, the rift explosion came from nowhere not from Limbo's hands...

[(XBOX)Architect Prime]

9 hours ago, RLanzinger said:

When Limbo is in the Rift

Why is limbo in the rift lmao? I said he can contain Goku, not beat him up!

9 hours ago, RLanzinger said:

reality bending area

You need to define an instance that is exactly the same as the rift. Not just a "warpy reality bendy twisty" area. Details matter. 

9 hours ago, RLanzinger said:

Goku can telepathically call -For example- Baba. She can se future and find any object that exist and could help goku inside the rift (an exit).

Perhaps... Parhaps...

9 hours ago, RLanzinger said:

Goku can telepathically call for Future Trunks, to come to Taxi him out of the realm with his Space-Time-Travel Machine.

Again. You need to define an instance that is exactly the same as the rift. Not just a "warpy reality bendy twisty" area. Details matter.

9 hours ago, RLanzinger said:

Goku can telepathically call Bulma to build exit portal or an Anti-Rift Bracelet, Upgrade his Radar to find Rift's Portal.

IF Telepathy works, then I suppose they can try that. They might succeed and they might not. Not only is the rift access based on revolutionary science, it's revolutionary science in a world thousands of years ahead of Dragonball's universe/s. Although it's funny that the Orokin haven't mastered space travel to other stars, and the cavemen in DB have lol.

9 hours ago, RLanzinger said:

Rift between the Void and Reality happens more often in the game in place know as VOID TEMPEST (category Five) which usually destroy most unlucky ship... So Goku could exit from there (thanks to baba).

Is there some place where that's stated to be "The Rift" or just a void storm? 

[(XBOX)Architect Prime]

3 hours ago, RLanzinger said:

Inside his domain, he can heal an allies (why not himself), the more enemies the stronger he become, he can also stop time and have infinite Energy (Like C17/C18).

He would probably need to banish a huge number of grineer and whatnot into the rift to buff himself up be in the general DB ball park. Like thousands, maybe millions. 

3 hours ago, RLanzinger said:

His main ability are to create Void Storm anywhere in his Line of sight. Bigger or Smaller (Kamehameha is not always at Full power, why Tenno may not be able to scale their attack ?)

Do you think he could block attacks that way?

3 hours ago, RLanzinger said:

He need a PLAN

Banish his enemy is for gaining time or evading a powerfull attack by placing an rift portal between him and the Kamehameha.

He need a battle style : A bit more like Wooin from Eleceed, attack first, attack fast and surprise the enemy with multiple rifts explosions. because unlike mos DBZ attack, the rift explosion came from nowhere not from Limbo's hands...

While it MIGHT be possible to escape the rift, who's to say that he can't keep sending his enemies back there and at other times phsing into the rift himself. It would surely be very annoying to fight him, seeing as how he has so many tricky ways to avoid damage and self-buff. But if he gets hit even one time while out of the rift, he will be vaporized. 

[RLanzinger]

Apart from just, I don't agree with each of your stance, can you make a structured argument half as good as what I did ???

AS PER GAME LORE :

• "Tapping into the Rift, Limbo demonstrates his art of dimensional travel that disrupts the space-time continuum, blurring the borders between realms and reality. Limbo arrived from the Rift Plane in Update 15.0 (2014-10-24)."
• As per the WHOLE Skybox in All Railjacks void storm : you can see the earth from inside the void Storm that is in the Solar Rail (rail that go in the VOID)
• As per the WHOLE Zariman Quest : there is 2 REALMS, REALITY and the VOID, When time space is disrupt a BIG GIANT SHIP is exactly between the two realms, a ship know as ZARIMAN-10-0
• AS per the WHOLE QUEST NAMED LIMBO THEOREM : Ordis: "Now it's becoming clear. Could it be that there's a plane between our normal plane and the void ? A space between space, a rift? A rift that this Limbo could control?"

Space time distortion of Limbo is akin to Void Storm, more or less stabilised and controlled.

Goku live in the mortal dimension, he can go to Hell and to the Gods's domains ... his telepathy and teleportation is not bound by realms. what he have seen once he can counter it, like said in Saint Seiya, the same attack cannot work two times again a knight; And Goku as already fight enemies that can be intangible so Limbo can use his abilities 2-3 times at max before the tricks will loose all it surprise effects.

Stating just Limbo need "MORE POWER" is not a valid tactic, it's the same lazyness that make game boring... the "Always More Power" motto only work if your enemy is as stupid as a warmonger. Example :  the more power in Navy battle got destroy by invention of Missiles (1 Exocet Missile win again 1 BattleShip).

BE Constructive, Be creative, avoid the flat-earth motto "I don't have proof but I don't agree" and try to apply the SunTzu motto I mentioned earlier.

[(XBOX)Architect Prime]

26 minutes ago, RLanzinger said:

Limbo arrived from the Rift Plane in Update 15.0 

27 minutes ago, RLanzinger said:

Stating just Limbo need "MORE POWER"

Power is pretty much pointless in Limbo's case. 

31 minutes ago, RLanzinger said:

Goku live in the mortal dimension, he can go to Hell and to the Gods's domains ... his telepathy and teleportation is not bound by realms. what he have seen once he can counter it, like said in Saint Seiya, the same attack cannot work two times again a knight; And Goku as already fight enemies that can be intangible so Limbo can use his abilities 2-3 times at max before the tricks will loose all it surprise effects.

You're going in circles now. You need to present not just a time when he interacted with buzz words like "dimensions" or "planes", but actually provide an instance where he overcame one that behaves the same way as the rift. Otherwise, this debate about Limbo is over. 

[Stafelund]

On 2023-07-27 at 2:16 PM, (PSN)jaggerwanderer said:

Why bother hiding? Just shield gate. I mean Goku did died to a heart virus.

If we're going with game mechanics then a vazarin void-dashing (yes, that's right, void dash, not sling) the frame can also whittle Goku down.

[(PSN)jaggerwanderer]

8 hours ago, Stafelund said:

If we're going with game mechanics then a vazarin void-dashing (yes, that's right, void dash, not sling) the frame can also whittle Goku down.

I don't think people realize how mortal Goku is really. Dragonball universe has something different. Magic! Majin Boo can turn objects into food. Goku can be turned into chocolate. Then there is also this move...

 

 

[RLanzinger]

So basically, If I go a few day off the thread is dead....

Dimension Trap cannot work on Goku and never once work. Find a counter example inside DBZ and we will speak. If your theory is different, YOU have to prove it, like I said being a flat earth and just said "I don't agree but I have no proof and no example" DOES NOT work.

About Vazarin Void Dash, I already speak about why stripping power does not work. This kind of battle of attrition never beat Goku stubbornness and nor his superiority  in term as a walking energy tank; He can also attract and replenish his energy using the life force of all living creatures.

And for @(PSN)jaggerwanderer Mafuba is "Evil Containment Wave (魔封波 Mafūba, lit. "Demon Sealing Wave") is a sealing technique invented by Master Mutaito. ".  In the manga, Master Roshi explains to Goku that the more powerful opponent, the more energy is required. This weakness is never specifically mentioned in the anime so you may not know it. Moreover Goku already know the technique... ZERO surprise effect ... ZERO chance to success. Already try, already failed !

[(XBOX)Architect Prime]

On 2023-07-31 at 1:44 AM, Stafelund said:

 also whittle Goku down.

The attacks have to scale in some way or it could take a million years. 

[(PSN)jaggerwanderer]

18 hours ago, RLanzinger said:

So basically, If I go a few day off the thread is dead....

Dimension Trap cannot work on Goku and never once work. Find a counter example inside DBZ and we will speak. If your theory is different, YOU have to prove it, like I said being a flat earth and just said "I don't agree but I have no proof and no example" DOES NOT work.

About Vazarin Void Dash, I already speak about why stripping power does not work. This kind of battle of attrition never beat Goku stubbornness and nor his superiority  in term as a walking energy tank; He can also attract and replenish his energy using the life force of all living creatures.

And for @(PSN)jaggerwanderer Mafuba is "Evil Containment Wave (魔封波 Mafūba, lit. "Demon Sealing Wave") is a sealing technique invented by Master Mutaito. ".  In the manga, Master Roshi explains to Goku that the more powerful opponent, the more energy is required. This weakness is never specifically mentioned in the anime so you may not know it. Moreover Goku already know the technique... ZERO surprise effect ... ZERO chance to success. Already try, already failed !

/facepalm That's not the only "magic" attack in the dragonball universe. Or multiverse for that matter. That's just one single simple example. Take warframe into context. How many reality warping abilities does the Arsenal have? 

[Turboameeba]

But what if Trunks comes, and gives him the medicine?