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(PSN)thehoocodfather

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Actually, all matter is made of star dust.

 

Until it can be proved otherwise, I see the Void as some kind of nebula, with higher-than-usual amounts of radiation. Not an alternate dimension, that's just silly!

 

A Nebula is simply a gas cloud.

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nebula

 

That is not Void.

 

The Void is a section of the Multiverse ( re the 11 dimension multiverse of M Theory ) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/String_theory

Not the point. The point is Tenno are not literal energy.

 

 

Yes they are.

 

We all are.

 

The only issue, what form does that energy assume. 

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Only if you don't bother paying attention to it.

 

If you actually read it, a clear pattern emerges.

 

Clouds look like things if you stare at them long enough.

 

If the lore was not a mess there would not be so much conjecture, someone who has studied it would tell us all how it is and it would be settled.  It's all vague and open to interpretation which is why no matter how much we post and argue we will never get anywhere.

 

You know how many times lore has been discussed on this forum in the last 3 years?  You know how closer we are to anything than the first post?

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Yeeeaaahh, I'm not reading that. You can give a TL;DR version, but holy hell, ain't nobody got time fo' dat!

 

In the early years of the 20th century, the atom – long believed to be the smallest building-block of matter – was proven to consist of even smaller components called protons, neutrons and electrons, which are known as subatomic particles. Beginning in the 1960s, other subatomic particles were discovered. In the 1970s, it was discovered that protons and neutrons (and other hadrons) are themselves made up of smaller particles called quarks. Quantum theory is the set of rules that describes the interactions of these particles.

In the 1980s, a new mathematical model of theoretical physics called string theory emerged. It showed how all the particles, and all of the forms of energy in the universe, could be constructed by hypothetical one-dimensional "strings", infinitesimal building-blocks that have only the dimension of length, but not height nor width. Further, string theory suggested that the universe is made up of multiple dimensions. Height, width, and length constitute three-dimensional space, and time gives a total of four observable dimensions; however, string theories supported the possibility of ten dimensions – the remaining six of which we cannot detect directly. This was later increased to 11 dimensions based on various interpretations of the 10-dimensional theory that led to five partial theories as described below. Supergravity theory also played a significant part in establishing the necessity of the 11th dimension.

These "strings" vibrate in multiple dimensions, and depending on how they vibrate, they might be seen in three-dimensional space as matter, light, or gravity. It is the vibration of the string which determines whether it appears to be matter or energy, and every form of matter or energy is the result of the vibration of strings.

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Introduction_to_M-theory

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This was later increased to 11 dimensions based on various interpretations of the 10-dimensional theory that led to five partial theories as described below. Supergravity theory also played a significant part in establishing the necessity of the 11th dimension.

These "strings" vibrate in multiple dimensions, and depending on how they vibrate, they might be seen in three-dimensional space as matter, light, or gravity. It is the vibration of the string which determines whether it appears to be matter or energy, and every form of matter or energy is the result of the vibration of strings.

 

So was Interstellar accurate with its 4th & 5th dimensions?

 

 

Ghost theory still holds up.  Maybe we didn't survive the time between the end of the Orokin and now and Lotus just doesn't know how to break it to us. And it explains how we can keep dying and come back day after day.  Just like in Shadows of Mordor!

...No.

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1.Tenno are energy is the metaphore ( what it mean here is "man's power" , warframe need a person to control it )

2.Entering Void's Tower : If it following the multiverse's theory , the void's key here meaning the key to catch the frequency of the dimension where exactly the towers were placed . As same as the DC's heroes film like Justice League : Batman need Flash to creat the portal/worm hole/black hole but he must use the machine to find the frequency of exactly dimension he need to go to fight the reverse-Batman.

3.Warframe made of things you farm to build.

4.Its just a role-play transition so lack that make you confuse about entering the warframes by only one tenno,there are many tennos.

5.If it is Energy form it could control some thing more advance than a humanoid based frame .Human's Body are not perfect.

6.Energy form doesn't need a cryo pod for living , only organic form need cryo pod to slow down the aging , nothing in organic live forever its in our DNA .

7.Sentient here meaning an AI gone out of control letting the technocyte-virus to grow and fight the orokin empire and the both get perish . In the lore there is a line that said: ''What we created go against us'' . Stalker is a tenno woke up without Lotus's Guide make him falling into mercernary's life.

8.Orokin are wasted too much goods for war that make warframe has a lack of prime version and a bunch of industrial version , to the end of the war who survived will stay into cryo-pod in secured dimension's location.

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-.- really? and if the theory was correct, it would it have said "her metaphoric lips parted in ethereal gladness as if to suggest the act of smiling manifest in some corporeal beings"? i don't think so. likely just a convenient figure of speech

There isn't actually much to support the energy theory other than the fact we can inhabit different frames instantly and universally, occupying veeery thin or bulky spaces as well as growing $* indistinctly. It would make perfect sense but sadly nothing in the lore supports this idea that i know of...But i might be wrong. What does everyone else think?

Well there no single proof that can back up the energy beings theory... hmm why ? Well because the frames come in diffrent

shapes it doesnt mean that tennos adjust their body to fit in each frame.... Let's take mag and rhino for example mag is obviously much smaller while rhino is obviusly a lot bigger than her but why is that ? Just look at their stats rhino has a better armor than mag so rhino has probavly aditional lairs of armor on him and thats the thing that makes him bigger yeah and now will probavly one guy come and say well its wrong look at valkyry you num nut. Well just because valkyry has bigger armor it doesnt mean that she needs to be bigger than others it only means that her suit is made of diffrent material ( for example steel shield is much harder to get destroyed by axe than a wooden one) .... So what im saying is that all tenos are posibly smaller or equal to the smallest frame... Now we can be the size of ant from inside or a normal human being of 2 metars tall... why ? Well we actually down know how big the frames are as we cant compare them to anything and every single item is built for their size

P.S. sorry for any mistakes i was writing on phone

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Umm... depends how you define smiling. We would have to define what do we mean when we say " smile ". Are we talking about enjoyment? Are we talking about the physiological responses? The facial expression? What about neurological or hypothetically the telepathical response? You see there is much more to it than simply the expression we usually associate a smile to. Some remember to associate it also to the emotion but very few go to the less obvious things.

I do not believe Tenno are energy because it would be unlikely for a being of full energy to bleed but this argument here does not necessary refute that theory depending on how one would define smiling. But considering all the rest of the evidence then yeah, I doubt that the Tenno are simply pure beings of energy.

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Well there no single proof that can back up the energy beings theory... hmm why ? Well because the frames come in diffrent

shapes it doesnt mean that tennos adjust their body to fit in each frame.... Let's take mag and rhino for example mag is obviously much smaller while rhino is obviusly a lot bigger than her but why is that ? Just look at their stats rhino has a better armor than mag so rhino has probavly aditional lairs of armor on him and thats the thing that makes him bigger yeah and now will probavly one guy come and say well its wrong look at valkyry you num nut. Well just because valkyry has bigger armor it doesnt mean that she needs to be bigger than others it only means that her suit is made of diffrent material ( for example steel shield is much harder to get destroyed by axe than a wooden one) .... So what im saying is that all tenos are posibly smaller or equal to the smallest frame... Now we can be the size of ant from inside or a normal human being of 2 metars tall... why ? Well we actually down know how big the frames are as we cant compare them to anything and every single item is built for their size

P.S. sorry for any mistakes i was writing on phone

There's not much proof of anything, that is the exact point. Sure the tenno could just be really small people, on another note they could be energy beings, heck they could be infested blob people for all we know, the issue here is someone trying to invalidate what is a very possible route for what tenno on the basis of nothing. This isn't a thread about the energy theory being right, it's about it being wrong, so why fight someone on something being absolute on a thread that is the exact opposite? Sigmas raises fairly good points on why the OP's logic is spotty, and that was his intention, not to raise the flags on the tenno energy theory being absolute. (even the poster himself said there wasn't much proof, but there isn't much against it either)

 

But you have a nice concept, I wouldn't be all too surprised if the case was something like that given the situation of nemesis in dark sector (de obviously has no gripes about people wearing organic suits that are very conflicting to their actual shape), although I'd always hoped the situation of the tenno was a bit more unique and complex than just small people wearing them. 

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"Tenno" are technocyte made humanoids infused with void energy wrapped in a pretty (or ugly) armor.  That armor doesn't come off, the thing inside is a conduit of power, the warframe just protects and shapes the energy from that conduit.  *We* move between them in much the same way a rampaging rhino was tamed merely entering the doorway to a chamber holding what is believed to be the Zariman children.  Given the abysmal range of that control, there's a reason most warframes have an exposed spine.

 

Please, the only energy within a Warframe is that flowing through the veins of the body inside.  Ordis could be a Tenno otherwise.

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I don't think that really constitutes as proof, ordis flat out says we are wearing suits...that seals it for me. Whatever we look like without our frames has to be pretty flexible, I mean you wear a spacious rhino one minute, and then squeeze into a mag the next.

 

Why does everyone seem to think that the Tenno have to change shapes and sizes and genders and all that to wear the different frames? This isn't Skyrim, where they set aside processing power to character customization and model morphing. Having everyone in the game being that radically different would make Relays impossible and even the 4-person cells more demanding/laggier.

 

It's a game mechanic. There's one model, with extremely simple attachments and texture swaps for customization. It's not like there's a male model for Nova, or a female model for Volt. When you join the game, it doesn't have you play around with sliders to decide what the height, build, and gender of your Tenno are. There's no way to remain consistent in the current system, but that's fine--it saves on processing power and hardware requirements, it's simple, and it works. There is no reason to believe that it has anything to do with the lore... and, in fact, every reason to believe that it doesn't.

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erm...nice fan art?

It's not fan art. That's from the Chinese release. Which, although it is surely different in some lore aspects from the global version, is bound to contain some accuracy. I personally believe that what it depicts (humans in suits) is the case here, too. DE just likes to dance around the truth, but everything I can think of supports it.

 

It's basically confirmed that the Tenno were humans that survived a misfired trip through the void and were altered by it. I don't see how they could have gone from that to energy beings. BETAOPTICS is a bit off with his semantics, because a smile is by definition a facial expression... "a pleased, kind, or amused facial expression. Typically with the corners of the mouth turned up and the front teeth exposed." That could still be more mental than anything--if they're energy beings that were once human they could remember a smile--but I find that highly unlikely... everything about the quest indicates that is not the case. Remember, we're not getting what the Lotus remembers about this, there is no way she could have known what Mirage's facial expression was like. We're getting an imprint left by Mirage of her final moments, what she felt. It indicates that she spoke to Lotus to comfort her, that she physically smiled, etc.

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