Please Don't Remove Stamina

[Larsurus]

Stamina is teh sux. Good riddance I say.

[zz_tophat]

I was running, then I stopped and hit an enemy with my sword and now I can't run anymore :(

[zoboso]

Looks like we have something to point to for the year of quality.

[(PSN)GoggleHead1]

Nah, stamina sucks. Throw it out with the D polarity on weapons.

Right on

[Tyreuzs]

While I don't think it was slated on the devstream, there was talk that implied the idea.

 

Resource management is a part of what makes games varied and interesting.  You don't Just have to worry about shooting the enemy, you have to pace yourself so your ability to fight doesn't run out.

 

I wouldn't mind if sprinting affected stamina less (perhaps by only disabling stamina regen), and in general stamina totals could be adjusted.  The stamina system could use work, but that's no reason to throw the baby out with the bath water.

 

I feel as though stamina capacities should be doubled, but the punishment for running out of stamina should be increased as well; attacking without stamina should be slower and deal less damage.

You high?

[Pixues]

Stamina two-point-no..

 

hah...see what i did there. I crack me up.

[(PSN)PillarOfWar]

So... unlimited frontal blocking?

Yes. Get rid of stamina

[AutoPhox]

Make stamina used for blocking only. And change the mechanic to be like the nullifier bubble. So stamina will drain faster against rapid fire or hordes. This makes it usable, but not invincible in all levels of PvE.

And/or tie it to the melee charge attack too?

But otherwise, id like to see stamina go away too.

[rroorr]

Down with stamina!

[Thaumatos]

I was running, then I stopped and hit an enemy with my sword and now I can't run anymore :(

^ Nuisance resource.

 

Change its purpose entirely or get rid of it.

 

Personally, I'd be in favor of a 100% removal so I have more mod space.  I have stamina mods and they're very annoying.

[Azamagon]

So... unlimited frontal blocking?

Yeah, at first I thought that would be overpowered too...

 

... but then I remembered:

* that blocking is (currently at least), for Meleemode only, which means blocking = no ranged weapons currently available.

* blocking is, as you said yourself, only frontal. It's not Godmode, it would just be a great Assaultmode.

* it would make going melee a more viable style throughout the game without constant reliance on your CC-abilities. Something that ranged combat can do already.

* blocking would scale, making it an actual viable mechanic, not just a low-level gimmick

* Archwing would be more fun too, no more slowpoke flying!

* stamina mods could go away, removing (or at least revamping) some bandaid mods! WOO! :D

 

The fact that it also makes sprinting an "easier-but-not-as-good" and reliable option to coptering is also great (if coptering stays?). More noobfriendly, while still keeping the skillroof high, that's great design!

 

So, yeah: DEATH TO STAMINA! >:)

Edited May 30, 2015 by Azamagon

[xmegarockx]

remove stamina isnt needed in this game

[Thaumatos]

Blocking with a shield does have to have a benefit though...

 

Maybe widen the block cone with shielded melee weapons?

[DeMeritus]

Yeah, stamina in its current form is... lame.  Nothing but downsides, no upsides/benefits.

 

It does nothing but detract from fun, not giving any fun in the process.

[(XBOX)Skode]

My only negative to the no stamina/parkour 2.0 approach so far is that it aids those rushers who ruin the game for many. Why fight when you can limitlessnessly propel yourself across room to room and even use the enemies as spring boards to get from A to B without even bothering fighting. Thats not how the game was intended to play but weve seen with Coptering... once you have a feature there, intention or not - people will NEVER accept it being removed even if its not how the game was indeed again intended to play.

[(PSN)iBoiz]

https://youtu.be/2Jz4DCz77xI?t=2003

Edited May 30, 2015 by (PS4)iBoiz

[Thaumatos]

My only negative to the no stamina/parkour 2.0 approach so far is that it aids those rushers who ruin the game for many. Why fight when you can limitlessnessly propel yourself across room to room and even use the enemies as spring boards to get from A to B without even bothering fighting. Thats not how the game was intended to play but weve seen with Coptering... once you have a feature there, intention or not - people will NEVER accept it being removed even if its not how the game was indeed again intended to play.

Rushers have coptoring macro'd.

 

They're changing the coptor effect...we'll see what they do.  Honestly, I'm making a bowl of popcorn for U17.  I want to watch the forums blow up with noobs that think they have skill.

[Buzkyl]

If DE was unsure about removing stamina i think they are more willing now with the sheer amount of positive feedback to the thought of it alone

[Naqel]

Resource management is a part of what makes games varied and interesting.  You don't Just have to worry about shooting the enemy, you have to pace yourself so your ability to fight doesn't run out.

 

Resource management is not a part of warframe.

Existing resources do not pose any sort of real restriction for the player.

 

The only thing Stamina, Energy, and Ammo limits do to the game is break it's flow when either of those resources runs low, causing the player to sit next to a campfire consumable, or stop sprinting for a short while.

 

Going forward, DE should replace the existing systems with ones that entirely remove long term impact, in favor of emphasizing moment-to-moment gameplay, such as longer reload times, and "soft" cooldowns(you still use energy, but the pool is smaller, and regenerates relatively quickly) on abilities.

[Brynslustafir]

I'm gonna say that the community is Almost entirely in agreement that Stamina should be removed. 

[taiiat]

- Guns are supplied by Ammunition. the floors are painted with it when there's a lot of Enemies.

- Melee is supplied by Stamina. there are no pickups, or anything.

which one is objectively more effective in this situation therefore? sufficient Ammunition to keep shooting, while you Kill one or two Enemies and then Stamina needs to regen to have all of your tools back.

[VampirePirate]

Even Scott said he hated the green bar.  Meaning stamina.

 

Sorry but, say goodbye to the stamina mechanic.

[(PSN)VariantX7]

Stamina hurts movement, which in turn hurts melee, and hurts blocking because they draw from the same pool of resources. Movement needs to not be limited by stamina and just leave that to melee combat. You already put your self at risk by closing the distance and burning your stamina just to keep the combo gauge going, leaving you in a more difficult position when its time to get away. Also why coptering gets so abused in this game once people get it down, there's literally no downside to it. You get tremendous distance and speed in an instant for  next to no stamina use.

[RikuGx]

IF you delete the Stamina bar then please BUFF Silva & Aegis couse currently the less used stamina is its only "rescue" stat to have it as a tank tool. Without Stamina even THAT is just out of the windos and the weapon becomes absolutly and completly obsolete.

Implement new shields/swords, some that maybe look even more awesome and give stat booss like increased armor just for having them equipped (would make sense doent it?)

[zz_tophat]

I think I have an elegant solution that should please all parties involved in this discussion: