TheLexiConArtist Posted May 16, 2016 Share Posted May 16, 2016 1 minute ago, Currilicious said: Game developers should recognize these threads as a malice to their game and ignore them completely. All this does is lead a downward trend of diminishing fun for everyone involved. The five or so, self appointed representative of all things holy (or unholy depends on your appetite on sarcasm), would disagree. But it's really better for everyone involved. Game developers ignoring their player base and cold, hard facts and evidence tend not to be game developers for very long. What if I told you the downward trend of diminished fun started with the power creep of which the Tonkor is the current epitome? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AEP8FlyBoy Posted May 16, 2016 Share Posted May 16, 2016 Hopefully we see a change implemented that makes the Tonkor fair to the other launchers. If people get upset because their favorite Easy-Mode launcher gets something every other launcher has... then, that's their problem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Currilicious Posted May 16, 2016 Share Posted May 16, 2016 (edited) 4 minutes ago, Chipputer said: I'm very sorry that people recognizing an imbalance, testing it repeatedly, having sound logic behind their reasoning, and asking for the developers to exercise their choice of whether or not to do anything about it is viewed as malice, by you. Well you are forgiven. You have a problem with something, I don't. But you reckon I should pay for that as well. If that's your sound logical argument, it sure ain't sounding so logical to me. Edited May 16, 2016 by Currilicious Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Currilicious Posted May 16, 2016 Share Posted May 16, 2016 3 minutes ago, shyguyk said: By the same logic, all rework and buff threads should be shot down because people identify a flaw in those weapons/frames being too weak/cumbersome. Well it depends. If I ain't paying for other people's problems. Sure fix 'em. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Currilicious Posted May 16, 2016 Share Posted May 16, 2016 4 minutes ago, EDYinnit said: Game developers ignoring their player base and cold, hard facts and evidence tend not to be game developers for very long. What if I told you the downward trend of diminished fun started with the power creep of which the Tonkor is the current epitome? You can hold that opinion. Nothing wrong with that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheLexiConArtist Posted May 16, 2016 Share Posted May 16, 2016 3 minutes ago, Currilicious said: Well you are forgiven. You have a problem with something, I don't. But you reckon I should pay for that as well. If that's your sound logical argument, it sure ain't sounding so logical to me. 1 minute ago, Currilicious said: Well it depends. If I ain't paying for other people's problems. Sure fix 'em. I am more important than the three other players randomly forced into my company so don't touch my weapon to make its impact less detrimental to their gameplay experience Also, you could learn to multiquote. Use that + button next to Quote to accumulate posts to which you can reply in bulk. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shyguyk Posted May 16, 2016 Share Posted May 16, 2016 2 minutes ago, Currilicious said: Well it depends. If I ain't paying for other people's problems. Sure fix 'em. So if somebody uses those underpowered weapons, likes their challenge, and it gets changed, thereby making them pay for other people's problems, it's ok for it to be changed just because it doesn't affect you? That argument just makes you look selfish in that regard.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Currilicious Posted May 16, 2016 Share Posted May 16, 2016 Just now, shyguyk said: So if somebody uses those underpowered weapons, likes their challenge, and it gets changed, thereby making them pay for other people's problems, it's ok for it to be changed just because it doesn't affect you? That argument just makes you look selfish in that regard.. Well it's up to them to tell you that. I can't pretend to know what other people want and speak for them. But, I can speak for myself when I have to pay for a problem that ain't mine to begin with. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chipputer Posted May 16, 2016 Share Posted May 16, 2016 56 minutes ago, Currilicious said: Well you are forgiven. You have a problem with something, I don't. But you reckon I should pay for that as well. If that's your sound logical argument, it sure ain't sounding so logical to me. Nobody's paying for anything. If anything, fixing the Tonkor will keep the game healthy longer. Don't agree? Fine. Don't shut down factual, logical arguments about it because you like how it "feels." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeadlyPeanutt Posted May 17, 2016 Share Posted May 17, 2016 (edited) 13 hours ago, EDYinnit said: You advocate fun, don't you? Stop trying to take mine away. There's no fun in brainless click-to-kill-the-entire-area for me, I like my explosives dangerous to both sides if I don't use them right. That's fun. No worries. Notice I'm NOT telling you that you HAVE to play tonkor or any other weapon. Unlike YOU, who are saying that the massive numbers of players who enjoy tonkor as it is now should be prevented from using the weapon they enjoy. Respect other players... get out of the Nerf Brigade!!! Edited May 17, 2016 by DeadlyPeanutt Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheLexiConArtist Posted May 17, 2016 Share Posted May 17, 2016 (edited) 2 minutes ago, DeadlyPeanutt said: rhetoric Psst. That post you quoted? Just showing how quick you are to succumb to something exactly hypocritical to your holier-than-thou 'but muh fun' mantra. Edited May 17, 2016 by EDYinnit Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hemmo67 Posted May 17, 2016 Share Posted May 17, 2016 7 hours ago, TheBrsrkr said: I'm confused. they will punch you to face if u ask if they want a "cookie" to clarify keksi seksi Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cx-dave Posted May 17, 2016 Share Posted May 17, 2016 7 hours ago, DeadlyPeanutt said: No worries. Notice I'm NOT telling you that you HAVE to play tonkor or any other weapon. Unlike YOU, who are saying that the massive numbers of players who enjoy tonkor as it is now should be prevented from using the weapon they enjoy. Respect other players... get out of the Nerf Brigade!!! Not really a factor of concern. Although, I can see how a nerf would be a disappointment or an annoyance to many players. It's only of a temporary nature. There are many more effective methods to blow up a whole room or speed kill. It's only a matter of time until most figure out how. Afterwards, enjoy your game for another 1+ year until that eventually gets nerfed and you move to the next blow it all up to kingdom come alternative :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Currilicious Posted May 17, 2016 Share Posted May 17, 2016 (edited) 17 hours ago, Chipputer said: Nobody's paying for anything. If anything, fixing the Tonkor will keep the game healthy longer. Don't agree? Fine. Don't shut down factual, logical arguments about it because you like how it "feels." Your "factual, logical arguments" is built on your premise that your brand of balance is healthy for the game for everyone. Well, it certainly is not healthy for me and I don't need you to speak for what I find fun. Especially when you're doing it at my detriment, it wouldn't be logical for me to agree with you. Edited May 17, 2016 by Currilicious Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chaotea Posted May 17, 2016 Share Posted May 17, 2016 On 16/05/2016 at 5:03 PM, [DE]Danielle said: but it's seriously unnerving to see so many go off and insult one another when there's a more crucial topic at hand. Isn't it just how these things go? I'm a founder on a few games now, but I always find that the games where the developers listen to more feedback have more, lets call it heated opinions, than those that just ship what they want. Still, there are those of us who appreciate everything you guys do, and respect the freedom you allow us on the forums. Thanks :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chaotea Posted May 17, 2016 Share Posted May 17, 2016 Personally i find the tonkor balanced compared to say the Penta. I find the tonkor harder to hit with, especially as you cant self detonate the projectiles. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WARLOCKE Posted May 17, 2016 Share Posted May 17, 2016 1 hour ago, Currilicious said: Your "factual, logical arguments" is built on your premise that your brand of balance is healthy for the game for everyone. Well, it certainly is not healthy for me and I don't need you to speak for what I find fun. Especially when you're doing it at my detriment, it wouldn't be logical for me to agree with you. It is healthy for you. Because when your crutch gets taken away you will have to adapt and become a better player. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RealPandemonium Posted May 17, 2016 Share Posted May 17, 2016 (edited) 10 hours ago, WARLOCKE said: It is healthy for you. Because when your crutch gets taken away you will have to adapt and become a better player. Unfortunately the last few generations of players scoff at the idea of Warframe being a game where being good at it counts for something. That's what happens when you let powercreep run rampant for too long. Perhaps the proliferation of freemium cellphone games has influenced peoples' idea of what a free to play game should be. Edited May 18, 2016 by RealPandemonium Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Currilicious Posted May 18, 2016 Share Posted May 18, 2016 (edited) 9 hours ago, WARLOCKE said: It is healthy for you. Because when your crutch gets taken away you will have to adapt and become a better player. Cool way of building a solid premise right here folks. What you do is, assume everyone share your preference, and there you have your premise of argument. Nevermind, the assumption bit. Edited May 18, 2016 by Currilicious Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RealPandemonium Posted May 18, 2016 Share Posted May 18, 2016 11 hours ago, chaotea said: Personally i find the tonkor balanced compared to say the Penta. I find the tonkor harder to hit with, especially as you cant self detonate the projectiles. Dealing over 10x the damage and with no risk of self-harm is balanced? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeadlyPeanutt Posted May 18, 2016 Share Posted May 18, 2016 (edited) 28 minutes ago, RealPandemonium said: Dealing over 10x the damage and with no risk of self-harm is balanced? tonkor is just as balanced as SS or sonicor or staticor, or torrid or... well almost every weapon in the game. NO weapons do self damage or FF damage except a very few launchers. no WF abilities do self damage or FF damage. no melee weapons do self or FF damage, no matter how you whirl them around and fall on top of them self damage should be removed from ALL weapons! it's downright silly in the context of the game Edited May 18, 2016 by DeadlyPeanutt Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeadlyPeanutt Posted May 18, 2016 Share Posted May 18, 2016 1 hour ago, Currilicious said: Cool way of building a solid premise right here folks. What you do is, assume everyone share your preference, and there you have your premise of argument. Nevermind, the assumption bit. well now, keep in mind, these folks who whine about nerfing tonkor, SS and a half dozen frames know what's best for you and every other player. They know how you should play your game, what weapons you should use, what frames you should use... and how hard the game should be for you. they know that if things are too easy for you, you'll get bored and get into trouble. oh, and they know that you need to stay away from certain nodes that are tooooo easy (i'm looking at you, draco) yes, the above is irony. Translation: the folks who whine about nerfing popular weapons (such as tonkor) and frames need to respect other players and allow them to play their game the way they wish Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RealPandemonium Posted May 18, 2016 Share Posted May 18, 2016 11 minutes ago, DeadlyPeanutt said: the folks who whine about nerfing popular weapons (such as tonkor) and frames need to respect other players and allow them to play their game the way they wish But the reverse does not apply; those in the other camp should just avoid match-made games entirely. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WARLOCKE Posted May 18, 2016 Share Posted May 18, 2016 1 hour ago, Currilicious said: Cool way of building a solid premise right here folks. What you do is, assume everyone share your preference, and there you have your premise of argument. Nevermind, the assumption bit. No I just stopped trying to explain anything rational to you a few pages back. Thats all. That crutch.....its real. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chaotea Posted May 18, 2016 Share Posted May 18, 2016 5 hours ago, RealPandemonium said: Dealing over 10x the damage and with no risk of self-harm is balanced? Yea, i still find the penta (or the syndicate one anyway) a more viable weapon for non-infested sorties (obviously the tonkors better for infested). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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