Make Sentinels Immortal

[(PSN)DesecratedFlame]

4 minutes ago, Zachles said:

The timer should increase exponentially the more times it has to repair itself

I think that is counter-productive. In won't make any difference in low-level missions, but in higher level missions where they can get nuked instantly, it would ruin the entire point of them being revivable.

22 minutes ago, -BM-Leonhart said:

And all this until now was still easier to do than changing the title to suit the thread, right?

Yes.

Edited November 4, 2016 by (PS4)DesecratedFlame

[Zachles]

6 minutes ago, (PS4)DesecratedFlame said:

I think that is counter-productive. In won't make any difference in low-level missions, but in higher level missions where they can get nuked instantly, it would ruin the entire point of them being revivable.

I agree with you, but that's why I said they need to be more durable than they are currently, to negate that becoming a major issue.

[(PSN)ghinellil]

My carrier die only in level 100 sorties, or against sentients. Try put 4 forma in yours.

[(PSN)DesecratedFlame]

2 minutes ago, Zachles said:

I agree with you, but that's why I said they need to be more durable than they are currently, to negate that becoming a major issue.

Yeah,  There really needs to be a health gate mechanic in WF, but that is a topic for another thread.

1 minute ago, (PS4)ghinellil said:

My carrier die only in level 100 sorties, or against sentients. Try put 4 forma in yours.

My Carrier P is more tanky than some of my frames.

[Evanescent]

Nice clickbait, boy. And arguing people should read the op does not justify it. It's like selling lettuce in Big mac boxes and saying people should just open it, it's totally not false advertising.

Otherwise, I like this idea.

[Trichouette]

"let me die I want my carrier back"

Mouahahahaha guess who's geting a revive even if I have to die to do it ?

 

Anyway, giving them a respawn time that is shortened by the old revive mod sounds like something good to me.

[LascarCapable]

Title edited for clarity.

[Kalvorax]

1 hour ago, Kiyomaru-EN- said:

Maybe like having it limited to 10 "revives" or something like that.

i would rather it not be limited to x revives per mission....having an increasing timer is far better, especially if you get mobbed by high levels or (in a lot of cases) it gets destroyed while still loading in to a pug. There was one time where i was doing a pug inter, loaded in and saw that my sentinel had lost BOTH of its regen in the time it took to load in.

[(PSN)DesecratedFlame]

1 minute ago, xcynderx said:

i would rather it not be limited to x revives per mission....having an increasing timer is far better, especially if you get mobbed by high levels or (in a lot of cases) it gets destroyed while still loading in to a pug. There was one time where i was doing a pug inter, loaded in and saw that my sentinel had lost BOTH of its regen in the time it took to load in.

If a mission typically only lasts around 3 minutes, then it taking 30 seconds to revive is already well balanced. That's like a 6th of the mission. If you are playing long endless missions then your sentinel may get nuked repeatedly, and having to wait 5 minutes or so each time, defeats the entire purpose of the suggested change.

Neither is really needed. It should instead be balanced around the revive time.

Edited November 4, 2016 by (PS4)DesecratedFlame

[Kalvorax]

Just now, (PS4)DesecratedFlame said:

Neither is really needed. It should instead be balanced around the base revive time.

hmmmm, true.

[Othergrunty]

How about this. If a Sentinel gets destroyed. It doesn't explode anymore but falls to the ground. Then you can pick it up like a disarmed weapon and carry it around (the game simply needs to treat it as weapon in terms of gameplay ala what they did with the Operators in Second Dream). If you press your attack key, the Warframe goes into an animation were they charge it up with energy.

This repairs the Sentinel.

The longer you hold the attack the more energy the Warframe spends. If you let go early the Sentinel is still restored but only by a percentage of the energy you spend (2% for 1 energy).

Just a random idea to allow Sentinels to be revived, but reinforce the difference between them and Kubrows/Kavats.

[Volinus7]

Let me insert a dank meme here

"Add immortality and no one bats an eye. Go infinite ammo and everyone loses their minds"

[(PSN)DesecratedFlame]

4 hours ago, Volinus7 said:

Let me insert a dank meme here

"Add immortality and no one bats an eye. Go infinite ammo and everyone loses their minds"

Indeed.

[(PSN)DesecratedFlame]

On 11/4/2016 at 8:11 AM, Othergrunty said:

How about this. If a Sentinel gets destroyed. It doesn't explode anymore but falls to the ground. Then you can pick it up like a disarmed weapon and carry it around (the game simply needs to treat it as weapon in terms of gameplay ala what they did with the Operators in Second Dream). If you press your attack key, the Warframe goes into an animation were they charge it up with energy.

This repairs the Sentinel.

The longer you hold the attack the more energy the Warframe spends. If you let go early the Sentinel is still restored but only by a percentage of the energy you spend (2% for 1 energy).

Just a random idea to allow Sentinels to be revived, but reinforce the difference between them and Kubrows/Kavats.

I can't help but laugh at the mental image of beating grineer in the face with a half-dead carrier prime.

[Golmihr]

How about Regen having a delay for the respawn of 30 sec so that the sentinels don't revive straight back into the AoE that just killed them. And give it 1 revive charge per rank.

[(PSN)DesecratedFlame]

Just now, Golmihr said:

How about Regen having a delay for the respawn of 30 sec so that the sentinels don't revive straight back into the AoE that just killed them. And give it 1 revive charge per rank.

30 is too long. You would be better off just making them immune to damage for 30 seconds after a revive.

[Kalvorax]

1 hour ago, (PS4)DesecratedFlame said:

30 is too long. You would be better off just making them immune to damage for 30 seconds after a revive.

that would work great for the current regen....I've seen my carrier get popped immediately after coming back from a regen due to a bombard missile or a Toxic cloud.

[Chipputer]

Only if my Kavat/Kubrow can never permanently die in a mission.

[(PSN)DesecratedFlame]

11 minutes ago, Chipputer said:

Only if my Kavat/Kubrow can never permanently die in a mission.

They can't, if you're good at the game. You can revive them endlessly. You're not bad at the game, right?  Then we are in agreement. Thank you for your support.

[Chipputer]

4 minutes ago, (PS4)DesecratedFlame said:

They can't, if you're good at the game.

Funny. I could say the same about sentinels. You're not bad at the game... are you?

[(PSN)DesecratedFlame]

4 minutes ago, Chipputer said:

Funny. I could say the same about sentinels. You're not bad at the game... are you?

No, you couldn't. Sentinels don't have a bleed out timer or the ability to revive them during said bleed out timer. But hey, thanks for playing. Better luck next time.

[Acos]

On 11/4/2016 at 1:01 AM, Hieracon said:

Or you know... you could just start paying attention to your sentinels health and drop health restores when its damaged. Its not that hard.

yeah, that stops working once you face level 30 enemies. One source of splash damage = dead sentinel. 

[Bipp]

On 04/11/2016 at 0:11 PM, Othergrunty said:

How about this. If a Sentinel gets destroyed. It doesn't explode anymore but falls to the ground. Then you can pick it up like a disarmed weapon and carry it around (the game simply needs to treat it as weapon in terms of gameplay ala what they did with the Operators in Second Dream). If you press your attack key, the Warframe goes into an animation were they charge it up with energy.

This repairs the Sentinel.

The longer you hold the attack the more energy the Warframe spends. If you let go early the Sentinel is still restored but only by a percentage of the energy you spend (2% for 1 energy).

Just a random idea to allow Sentinels to be revived, but reinforce the difference between them and Kubrows/Kavats.

I like this idea.

Then allow Kubrows/Kavats to be revived when you use a revive if they actually die.

and there we go lol everthing's fair and balanced

[Volinus7]

I don't know what we should fix first. *sarcasm*

It's painful to keep companions alive.

or

The fact that they get killed in one hit.

[taiiat]

Regen can already be useful if it simply waits like 5 seconds, so that it actually Revives the Sentinel, and avoids the same burst of incoming fire Killing the Sentinel twice.
no need to completely change how the Mod functions other than having a Cooldown so that it doesn't solely make your Sentinel autonomous to have.

On 11/4/2016 at 3:28 AM, (PS4)DesecratedFlame said:

The regen mod could be modified so that instead of it being a chance to revive under the old system

(Regen does not have a Chance to take Effect, it will instantly refill Sentinel Health up to N% of total Health)

On 11/4/2016 at 4:39 AM, Zachles said:

A repair mode would be cool, but that doesn't solve or negate the issue with their survivability.

The timer should increase exponentially the more times it has to repair itself, but ultimately this is only a bandaid solution. If they can still die easily, then I can just see them fully repairing themselves, getting one shot again, and then repeating the process.

certainly - repeated deaths has to have an increasing trend on Timer to 'Repair', elsewise one may just completely ignore their Sentinel and it manages itself.
the Player must be encouraged to avoid its death when possible.

like say Shields, Sentinel durability (and Pets to a much lesser degree) is considered poor due to lack of mechanics to interact with it.
create systems to engage the Player to interact with these Resources, and they can become more useful as the Player inputs more of themselves.

 

Fatal Attraction is a nice example, the Cooldown on the Ability can be reduced if the Player actively Kills entranced Enemies - a good engagement for the Player to make them want to participate with something, and are rewarded with increased effectiveness.