Bring back the Orokin GODS

[disco_inferno6]

Extract from the Odyssey

"I was driven thence by foul winds for a space of 9 days upon the sea, but on the tenth day we reached the land of the Lotus-eaters, who live on a food that comes from a kind of flower. Here we landed to take in fresh water, and our crews got their mid-day meal on the shore near the ships. When they had eaten and drunk I sent two of my company to see what manner of men the people of the place might be, and they had a third man under them. They started at once, and went about among the Lotus-eaters, who did them no hurt, but gave them to eat of the Lotus, which was so delicious that those who ate of it left off caring about home, and did not even want to go back and say what had happened to them, but were for staying and munching lotus with the Lotus-eaters without thinking further of their return; nevertheless, though they wept bitterly I forced them back to the ships and made them fast under the benches. Then I told the rest to go on board at once, lest any of them should taste of the lotus and leave off wanting to get home, so they took their places and smote the grey sea with their oars."

 

 

Restore Order, restore the Guilded Path. Bring us home DE.

 

 

Edited December 6, 2016 by disco_inferno6

[motorfirebox]

Ha, yeah, bring 'em back so we can kill 'em again. One death was fewer than they deserved.

[Skaleek]

Is this a fan-made trailer? Pretty good if it is. The gilded Path? Why am i just hearing about this now?!

Edited December 6, 2016 by Skaleek

[Beggining]

1 minute ago, Skaleek said:

Is this a fan-made trailer? Pretty good if it is. The gilded Path? Why am i just hearing about this now?!

I think I've seen this in the Fan Zone section before: made by @StallordD, if I remember correctly.

[Blakrana]

A pithy quote does not an argument make.

Why, considering what we know of the Orokin, do you want them back? Why do they deserve reinstatement seeing as everything wrong with the setting traces squarely back to their feet and the results of their callous hubris?

[Freezing-Dragon]

Just now, Beggining said:

I think I've seen this in the Fan Zone section before: made by @StallordD, if I remember correctly.

Eyup.

It's him.

He also made a "quest" thing too? Expand Corpus?

[disco_inferno6]

13 minutes ago, Blakrana said:

A pithy quote does not an argument make.

Why, considering what we know of the Orokin, do you want them back? Why do they deserve reinstatement seeing as everything wrong with the setting traces squarely back to their feet and the results of their callous hubris?

Their hubris was not that of indifference. It was of conceit and of overestimation of their power, However, it is unclear which where the exact factors that caused the "Collapse" (see Codex).

But look at us, the Tenno. Lead by a sentient fragment who has hidden from us the truth "in order to protect us", what have we done which deems us superior to the Orokin in any sense ? What is there now in our star system, apart from grief, chaos and conflict ?

All this, while our greatest enemies, those which know no emotion or mercy, gather their strength.  

Edited December 6, 2016 by disco_inferno6

[Kalvorax]

OK..that was freaking awesome :)

Before he said the ending part...i was sort of imagining the Umbra frame(s)

[Kronxito]

Still... I will kill the orokin by their acts.

Edited December 6, 2016 by ArionLightning

[(PSN)Elctrcstel]

26 minutes ago, Blakrana said:

Why, considering what we know of the Orokin, do you want them back? Why do they deserve reinstatement seeing as everything wrong with the setting traces squarely back to their feet and the results of their callous hubris?

Maybe in the "New Quest" the Orokin find a way to put us back under their thumbs and it is out mission to fight back and break free from their control. Post Quest, the Orokin are a new faction to fight in a new space system.

Edited December 6, 2016 by (PS4)Elctrcstel

[Lindsrhyl]

44 minutes ago, motorfirebox said:

Ha, yeah, bring 'em back so we can kill 'em again. One death was fewer than they deserved.

Salty about losing spacemom's boobs or what? Dude, not everything is lost, we still have saryn... and valkyr, depending on what your motorboat floats on.

Edited December 6, 2016 by Lindsrhyl
had to edit boat, i just had to

[Smilomaniac]

" Also, this is a stupid fan-fiction plot, and I'd never seriously want something this blatant to come to the game. "

Not even the creator wants this to be a thing. Considering that by far most of the Orokin were relatively simple beings like us, who had a job and were one sort of cog or another in a greater machine, the mere reappearance of Orokin wouldn't be much of a threat at all.

Still, a neat video.

[Lindsrhyl]

1 minute ago, Smilomaniac said:

" Also, this is a stupid fan-fiction plot, and I'd never seriously want something this blatant to come to the game. "

Not even the creator wants this to be a thing. Considering that by far most of the Orokin were relatively simple beings like us, who had a job and were one sort of cog or another in a greater machine, the mere reappearance of Orokin wouldn't be much of a threat at all.

Still, a neat video.

Wouldn't you like slaughtering gilded peasants?

[Blakrana]

17 minutes ago, disco_inferno6 said:

Lead by a sentient, what have we done which deems us better than the Orokin in any sense?

• Haven't created entire vassal races to serve merely as slaves, mocked and disposed when it pleases
• Make every effort to fight the Infestation wherever it rises
• Don't steal the bodies of others to extend own lifespan
• Don't abuse and exploit what allies are had, nor execute them for the slightest error
• Endeavour to mitigate the damage of the Grineer and Corpus campaigns as much as possible, saving citizens and colonies
• Didn't lose Earth to the Infested; thank the Orokin for that. Predates everything end of the day.
• Don't turn people into brainwashed 'AI' as a form of punishment
• Don't hold the only means of infrastructure control to themselves; Orokin set up genetic locks necessitating their presence. A lot less damage would have happened were there other ways to make things work than relying on Orokin elite to make things run once the Terminus happened.

Sure. There's a lot of dirty business considering the generally Grey v Gray state of current affairs, but with the Orokin there was no room for failure, disobedience or dissenting opinions. To do so likely met with execution considering the Crewman Synthesis and Margulis' 'Apostasy'.

17 minutes ago, disco_inferno6 said:

And what is there now in our star system, other than chaos and conflict ?  

Origin has always had its share of conflict. Ordan Karris' very existence is a good demonstration of this, considering how bloody his own battles were. Tyranny isn't exactly a great sales pitch seeing as, in the current era there are citizens able to live their lives in relative peace and comfort away from the constant battles of the Grineer, Tenno and Corpus. There's no telling how many wars the Empire had before it's final one with the Sentient...a threat they made at that.

Seeing how the Orokin were consummate control freaks over everything it's doubtful they'd let even one arcology or colony elude their grasp, by force if necessary.

8 minutes ago, (PS4)Elctrcstel said:

Maybe in the "New Quest" the Orokin find a way to put us back under their thumbs and it is out mission to fight back and break free from their control. Post Quest, the Orokin are a new faction to fight in a new space system.

Can't see how they'd manage that, seeing as the only known surviving Orokin are the Twin Queens and one of them is out of commission for her attempts.

As it stands, the next core quest will focus upon the Warframes specifically.

[(PSN)Elctrcstel]

7 minutes ago, Lindsrhyl said:

we still have saryn... and valkyr, depending on what your boat floats on.

or Volt and Rhino and the *ahem* Codpieces if those are the oceans you boat sails in

[Lindsrhyl]

3 minutes ago, (PS4)Elctrcstel said:

or Volt and Rhino and the *ahem* Codpieces if those are the oceans you boat sails in

You sir has both an interesting humor and the idiom culture that goes with, you deserve my +1. (also change the boat in the quote by motorboat, i edited too late ^^)

[Rounpositron]

I would love it if a lone Orokin is somewhere out there... Maybe they know a way to re-enslave Grineer dogs.

[Lindsrhyl]

Just now, Rounpositron said:

I would love it if a lone Orokin is somewhere out there... Maybe they know a way to re-enslave Grineer dogs.

Enslaving them? You mean the ones you can easily kill, insulting them by doing so with their own weapons and wearing their banners? Why? Killing them is just as efficient when they're of no use in the actual battle (the one vs sentients... and still, those enemies still die when they face our 6 billion credit puppets).

[Omnipower]

3 minutes ago, Lindsrhyl said:

Enslaving them? You mean the ones you can easily kill, insulting them by doing so with their own weapons and wearing their banners? Why? Killing them is just as efficient when they're of no use in the actual battle (the one vs sentients... and still, those enemies still die when they face our 6 billion credit puppets).

6 billion?? Why i never ...*Slaps you with a glove*

My puppets are worth hundreds of trillions of credits....EACH at the LEAST. *walks away orokin style with some corpus swagger*

Edited December 6, 2016 by Omnipower
hmph

[disco_inferno6]

18 minutes ago, Blakrana said:

• 1) Haven't created entire vassal races to serve merely as slaves, mocked and disposed when it pleases
• 2) Make every effort to fight the Infestation wherever it rises
• 3) Don't steal the bodies of others to extend own lifespan
• 4) Don't abuse and exploit what allies are had, nor execute them for the slightest error
• 5) Endeavour to mitigate the damage of the Grineer and Corpus campaigns as much as possible, saving citizens and colonies
• 6) Didn't lose Earth to the Infested; thank the Orokin for that. Predates everything end of the day.
• 7) Don't turn people into brainwashed 'AI' as a form of punishment
• 8) Don't hold the only means of infrastructure control to themselves; Orokin set up genetic locks necessitating their presence. A lot less damage would have happened were there other ways to make things work than relying on Orokin elite to make things run once the Terminus happened.

 

1) So now, those races are free _{(to sow havoc, toxicity and destruction on every planet they set foot on)}

2) Is the infestation is under control ? Are we effective ?

3) No. Instead we just punch their souls out of their bodies or tear them to shreds. We obviously do it to honour their bodies as holy vessels <sarc off>

4) We don't have allies. We are called traitors by all. And rightfully so on that one.

5) We only protect those that serve our purpose. Those and those alone. So much for our moral superiority.

6) If it wasn't for the Orokin, we wouldn't even exist.

7) No. Instead, we transform them into pulp.

8) Oh do we ? Then why not give the Grineer and the Corpus access to our own technology (which is Orokin by the way)

Edited December 6, 2016 by disco_inferno6

[Rounpositron]

9 minutes ago, Lindsrhyl said:

Enslaving them? You mean the ones you can easily kill, insulting them by doing so with their own weapons and wearing their banners? Why? Killing them is just as efficient when they're of no use in the actual battle (the one vs sentients... and still, those enemies still die when they face our 6 billion credit puppets).

The Grineer can clone, and as time passes, their cloning rate increases. We kill one, two more pop up.

The Orokin, however, know the gene that makes them loyal. They can reunite the System so we can focus on the Infested and the Sentients.

3 minutes ago, disco_inferno6 said:

8) Oh do we ? Then why not give the Grineer and the Corpus access to our own technology (which is Orokin by the way)

Good idea. I need more samples.

Edited December 6, 2016 by Rounpositron

[Lindsrhyl]

3 minutes ago, Rounpositron said:

The Grineer can clone, and as time passes, their cloning rate increases. We kill one, two more pop up.

The Orokin, however, know the gene that makes them loyal. They can reunite the System so we can focus on the Infested and the Sentients.

Grineer's cannon fodder, cmonn... I mean they talk bad and all, call you son of a grenouille or somthing but at the end they're no match even for the kraken. May they turn loyal to us i'd tell them to fight each other in an arena, fact is i can't since i'm pro corpus, respecting their values, and that includes copyright, the arena one belonging to khela.

[Omnipower]

10 minutes ago, disco_inferno6 said:

1) So now, those races are free _{(to sow havoc, toxicity and destruction on every planet they set foot on)}

2) So now, the infestation is under control ?

3) No. Instead we just punch their souls out of their bodies or tear them to shreds to honour them.

4) We don't have allies. We are called traitors by all. And rightfully so on that one.

5) We only protect those that serve our purpose. Those and those alone. So much for our moral superiority.

6) If it wasn't for the Orokin, we wouldn't even exist.

7) No. Instead, we transform them into pulp.

8) Oh do we ? Then why not give the Grineer and the Corpus access to our own technology (which is Orokin by the way)

You are under the influence we are Gods or know everything and how to fix everything. We were children that got in an accident then controlled/brainwashed into proxy soldiers.

1: Yes they are free but no one is forcing them to do that(we are trying to "mitigate" any damage they cause to the system)

2: No one can control the infested even the orokin couldnt.

3: Well ofc otherwise they would populate the entire system like cockroaches and enslave everyone else

4: We do have allies and i dont get why rightfully so the only race we really betrayed is the orokin we had no affiliation to anyone else

5: No we protect those who reach out or actually needs it unless it upsets whatever fragile and miniscule balance that is left

6: Agreed

7: Most cases they deserve it if not all (and again we are still proxy soldiers only doing as we are told; mindset i get from soldiers dont ask questions just do what you are told)

8: So that they can have even more advantage over each other? Or so that they have more control then the other that even we cant stop them if they go overboard? Goooood idea!

Edited December 6, 2016 by Omnipower
redundancy

[Blakrana]

3 hours ago, disco_inferno6 said:

So now, those races are free _{(to sow havoc, toxicity and destruction on every planet they set foot on)}

Seeing as the Grineer are the only one still around, and they're lead by surviving Orokin to wreak said havoc, not really much of a point.

As it stands, the Lorists seem to either be extinct or so rare they may as well be. Granted, the technological advancement may just not be enough to facilitate a recovery of Lora devices, seeing as the description in the Corrupted Ancient Synthesis seems to imply that a Lorist has skin laced with circuitry or the like.

It's also unclear yet if Dax are another 'made for function' race of which there's only one known Dax still alive, Teshin; he sure thinks he is at any rate. Poor bastard.

3 hours ago, disco_inferno6 said:

2) Is the infestation is under control ? Are we effective ?

Considering that if it wasn't for Dr Tengus' unleashing it again after it seems to have been sealed away somehow, arguably yes, we were very effective.

Alas since that time, a particular idiot decided it'd be great to improve the Infested to also be able to affect inorganics, so putting the lid on them again is going to be quite the challenge. 

3 hours ago, disco_inferno6 said:

3) No. Instead we just punch their souls out of their bodies or tear them to shreds. We obviously do it to honour their bodies as holy vessels <sarc off>

Killing combatants in a relatively swift manner is quite a bit different to taking children away from their families, crushing their minds and then stealing their bodies. Vor's Prize has the Lotus note that "A Tenno respects their enemy but shows them no mercy". So it's quite consistent with that outlook.

Soldiers go into battle knowing they risk death doing so. A child meanwhile should never be considered little more than a new "skinsuit" for some decrepit old wretch unwilling to die.

3 hours ago, disco_inferno6 said:

4) We don't have allies. We are called traitors by all. And rightfully so on that one.

Teshin, Lotus, Darvo, Baro ki'teer, Maroo and Cephalon Simaris for specific individuals allied with the Tenno.

New Loka, Steel Meridian, Red Veil, Perrin Sequence, Arbiters of Hexis, Cephalon Suda are distinct allied groups.

Saying nothing of every operative, citizen or hostage we've ever rescued from Grineer, Corpus or Infested clutches. Every Tenno sympathiser in Origin, who risk execution by Grineer no less, are allies. All colonies aided and abetted by the swift resolution of Infested Outbreaks, or the sabotage and undercutting of Grineer and Corpus ships and forces. 

The only ones to call the Tenno traitors are the Corpus and Stalker...who's a huge hypocrite ever since The Second Dream, what with aligning with Hunhow just to get a shot at his revenge. You'd figure someone fixated on 'avenging the Orokin' would draw a line at sallying up with a creature that had been their archenemy.

3 hours ago, disco_inferno6 said:

5) We only protect those that serve our purpose. Those and those alone. So much for our moral superiority.

If talking about the Player 'Best pay only' attitude, some people are just like that, but not all. 

If talking about actual setting characterisation...yeah. Some Tenno are straight up mercenaries. Others aren't. They're acknowledged as such in their own description after all, loyal only to one another.

Again, it's Grey v Gray morality. Orokin certainly aren't a lighter shade though, regardless of the general quagmire.

3 hours ago, disco_inferno6 said:

6) If it wasn't for the Orokin, we wouldn't even exist.

Nor would the Grineer, Corpus, Sentient, Infested.

All strands of conflict can find their source in the Orokin. Sure. They're responsible for the Warframe tech and all that...but seeing as they invented that because they'd rather make a lethal weapon than progress on the humanitarian aid of survivors of a horrific Void incident, hard to think that they did it out of the goodness of their hearts. Mostly cause they didn't...the Warframe project was just another tool to serve their ends, and like all their other tools, it backfired on them.

3 hours ago, disco_inferno6 said:

7) No. Instead, we transform them into pulp.

Risks one takes when taking arms up against the Tenno, no more no less. On a battlefield, people get killed...it'd be strange if they didn't.

Better to die as oneself, than spend an eternity as a broken mockery of everything one ever was.

3 hours ago, disco_inferno6 said:

Oh do we ? Then why not give the Grineer and the Corpus access to our own technology (which is Orokin by the way)

We don't control the Towers. We don't control the Solar Rails (the Grineer seem to have command of that). We don't have carte blanche control of ever ship, colony or system by mere genetic matters. Can't see how handing enemy groups technology would be a smart move. Peace offering wouldn't make sense, seeing as the only reason the Tenno are active in the current era is cause the Grineer tried to murder them in their sleep, or Corpus absconding with Warframes and materials to hawk on varying markets.

Still waiting for the reasonable argument for why the Orokin are better.

[SeaUrchins]

I'd dump the Lotus for any faction that does not claim to be my mother. Seriously, she's like that creepy crazy old lady from the Misery movie.