(XBOX)YoungGunn82 Posted May 2, 2017 Author Share Posted May 2, 2017 9 hours ago, LuckyCharm said: This would probably land the bow a huge nerf tbh since its damage stats are so high because it splits it over the number of arrows. Kept as it is, single shot would make it stronger than every other bow in game by a fairly large amount I'm fairly sure Tbh that's doubtful, because we have a crit bow (dread) , rakata (aoe/energy gain). I think it would make Cernos P unique in that u would have A single ranged shot for high priority targets and a spread shot for trash mobs. It would also make a fantastic side grade to the other two bows that are straight up just better in dps and overall damage compared to the Cernos p. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ironlixivium Posted May 2, 2017 Share Posted May 2, 2017 Just now, (Xbox One)FCastle74 said: Tbh that's doubtful, because we have a crit bow (dread) , rakata (aoe/energy gain). I think it would make Cernos P unique in that u would have A single ranged shot for high priority targets and a spread shot for trash mobs. It would also make a fantastic side grade to the other two bows that are straight up just better in dps and overall damage compared to the Cernos p. It would make rakta irrelevant... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(XBOX)YoungGunn82 Posted May 2, 2017 Author Share Posted May 2, 2017 (edited) 6 minutes ago, Ironlixivium said: It would make rakta irrelevant... No it wont. Ratka can't spread shot, Cernos P can't aoe viral proc and give u energy. Edited May 2, 2017 by (XB1)FCastle74 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ironlixivium Posted May 2, 2017 Share Posted May 2, 2017 6 minutes ago, (Xbox One)FCastle74 said: No it wont. Ratka can't spread shot, Cernos P can't aoe viral proc and give u energy. Dude, the AOE every 10k affinity is not nearly enough to make up for the damage......People stopped using sancti Tigris for Tigris p, and that's not even close to the ratio difference between rakta and cernos p. Seriously, look at the stats...It's a straight up 40% increase...That's enough to totally destroy the rakta, no one cares about a silly syndicate proc when you can do THAT MUCH more damage. Rakta would be completely eclipsed and it would become mastery fodder, or a weapon people only use to mess around, or when they feel nostalgic. Seriously. CHECK THE STATS. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kalvorax Posted May 2, 2017 Share Posted May 2, 2017 53 minutes ago, Ironlixivium said: Rakta would be completely eclipsed and it would become mastery fodder, or a weapon people only use to mess around, or when they feel nostalgic. and that is how it should be....Cernos P is what..MR 14? that alone should be plenty reason for it to be BETTER....all the prime versions of syndicate weapons are after all...so why not this one :| like I said previously currently the cernos p IS mastery fodder due to the split mechanic with the arrows.....now if each arrow dealt the displayed damage...that would be a different story...but its not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(XBOX)YoungGunn82 Posted May 2, 2017 Author Share Posted May 2, 2017 (edited) 32 minutes ago, Kalvorax said: and that is how it should be....Cernos P is what..MR 14? that alone should be plenty reason for it to be BETTER....all the prime versions of syndicate weapons are after all...so why not this one :| like I said previously currently the cernos p IS mastery fodder due to the split mechanic with the arrows.....now if each arrow dealt the displayed damage...that would be a different story...but its not. I do agree with this, as well. Edited May 2, 2017 by (XB1)FCastle74 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koed Posted May 2, 2017 Share Posted May 2, 2017 All my yes, take it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xaxma Posted May 2, 2017 Share Posted May 2, 2017 I'd rather that the Cernos Prime behaves similarly to Ivara's Artemis Bow. That bow deals the charged damage uncharged, but it also fires vertically uncharged and at a shorter spread, which makes it powerful for picking off single strong targets, whereas charging it only changes the angle. If the Cernos Prime can do that, I can excuse its weird damage division. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(XBOX)YoungGunn82 Posted May 6, 2017 Author Share Posted May 6, 2017 On 4/9/2017 at 2:37 AM, Windy_Wind said: yes please. This bow is my least favorite because of that spread Right, would be a vary nice addition to have a single arrow primary or alt fire option. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maddragonmaster Posted May 6, 2017 Share Posted May 6, 2017 (edited) get me the defibrillator i am reviving this thread because i would like to have a primary and secondary for cernos prime. whoops i guess it is still alive Edited May 6, 2017 by maddragonmaster Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ironlixivium Posted May 7, 2017 Share Posted May 7, 2017 On 5/5/2017 at 9:45 PM, (Xbox One)FCastle74 said: Right, would be a vary nice addition to have a single arrow primary or alt fire option. Why are you randomly replying to a month old comment... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(XBOX)YoungGunn82 Posted May 7, 2017 Author Share Posted May 7, 2017 42 minutes ago, Ironlixivium said: Why are you randomly replying to a month old comment... To keep the thread alive. That's why Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(XBOX)YoungGunn82 Posted May 11, 2017 Author Share Posted May 11, 2017 Keeping this in the forefront. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GOLANX Posted May 11, 2017 Share Posted May 11, 2017 before there is a single shot mod they need to nerf the stats so it doesnt powercreep, imo it should be on par with Paris Prime (that impact damage will improve viability V corpus). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ironlixivium Posted May 11, 2017 Share Posted May 11, 2017 55 minutes ago, GOLANX said: before there is a single shot mod they need to nerf the stats so it doesnt powercreep, imo it should be on par with Paris Prime (that impact damage will improve viability V corpus). That's kinda boring...No one wanted a third Paris prime (dread being the slash version) and that's why they did this in the first place. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ikusias Posted May 12, 2017 Share Posted May 12, 2017 well we don't have bows for each of the IPS elements do we? Also as a sidegrade to the rakta cernos the cernos prime is quite underwhelming. The arrow fan works with Ivara's #4 because its got no charge time and no arching trajectory, porting those mechanics on a conventional weapon/bow doesn't work, also it makes no sense that the spread is horizontal. I've farmed, built and mastered this bow and I've disliked it every step of the process, design wise this is a complete miss, also besides damage, that's split per arrow and worsened by multishot mods, all the other stats are mediocre for a prime weapon: mediocre draw time and mediocre reload time in particular. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hixlysss Posted May 12, 2017 Share Posted May 12, 2017 Come on DE, this thread has been going on for like...lil more than a month. People do NOT like the cernos prime in it's current form, it's time for you guys to do something about it and fix it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
--Blame-- Posted May 12, 2017 Share Posted May 12, 2017 (edited) 44 minutes ago, Hixlysss said: People do NOT like the cernos prime in it's current form, it's time for you guys to do something about it and fix it. Lie. I love my cernos prime.Stop trying to turn a Cernos in another Paris. Edited May 12, 2017 by --Blame-- Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mu_Gera Posted May 12, 2017 Share Posted May 12, 2017 I'd still say make the charge amount determine the spread amount, 0% charge making it spread like normal while full charge makes all arrows hit the same point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ironlixivium Posted May 13, 2017 Share Posted May 13, 2017 On 5/11/2017 at 9:10 PM, Ikusias said: well we don't have bows for each of the IPS elements do we? Also as a sidegrade to the rakta cernos the cernos prime is quite underwhelming. The arrow fan works with Ivara's #4 because its got no charge time and no arching trajectory, porting those mechanics on a conventional weapon/bow doesn't work, also it makes no sense that the spread is horizontal. I've farmed, built and mastered this bow and I've disliked it every step of the process, design wise this is a complete miss, also besides damage, that's split per arrow and worsened by multishot mods, all the other stats are mediocre for a prime weapon: mediocre draw time and mediocre reload time in particular. We don't need ips bows for many reasons...First off impact and its status are not that great. Second, any good non-slash build is mostly elemental damage anyway, so who cares what the base damage is. Many people including me disagree and say that it's a VERY nice change of pace from THE SAME BOW. I respect that it's your opinion that this bow was miss but I disagree entirely, and Im lost on where you got the idea that multishot makes the damage worse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mudfam Posted May 13, 2017 Share Posted May 13, 2017 I'm having a hard time understanding why anyone thinks such a change would make the rakta irrelevant. My concern is that even so it could never compete with the rakta and would continue to be a bad weapon. The rakta does less damage per shot, but it charges 4x as fast, reloads almost 2x as fast, has better flight speed, 50% more status and the innate blight effect which restores energy, applies viral procs and gives you a movement speed buff. These things more than make up for the lower damage, the loss of damage is really nothing with the much greater firing speed and slots freed from firerate mods. Just maybe if it had a "burst" fire mode it could find a place somewhere, but I'm still doubtful. I absolutely love how it looks though, it's a shame I can't find a reason to use it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ikusias Posted May 13, 2017 Share Posted May 13, 2017 (edited) @Ironlixivium unless I'm sorely mistaken it seems that Cernos prime listed damage is actually it's total damage that is it the damage you do if all arrows hit the same target, seems so that by adding mutishot damage gets further diluted per arrow - if i'm wrong please don't mind correcting me. Still i dislike this thing because it isn't a "bow" but a shotgun with charge time, while the "inferior" version, the rakta cernos walks over it in all departments, stats wise Edited May 14, 2017 by Ikusias tiping mistake Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gravitus123 Posted May 13, 2017 Share Posted May 13, 2017 Why is this still not a thing.Literally the biggest problem with the Cernos prime is that damn mechanic if it was just an alt fire the weapon would be much better.Also whos idea was it to give the weapon this mechanic Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ironlixivium Posted May 16, 2017 Share Posted May 16, 2017 On 5/13/2017 at 11:48 AM, Ikusias said: @Ironlixivium unless I'm sorely mistaken it seems that Cernos prime listed damage is actually it's total damage that is it the damage you do if all arrows hit the same target, seems so that by adding mutishot damage gets further diluted per arrow - if i'm wrong please don't mind correcting me. Still i dislike this thing because it isn't a "bow" but a shotgun with charge time, while the "inferior" version, the rakta cernos walks over it in all departments, stats wise Nah, it works like any other innately multishot weapon, in that it adds 90% of the base multishot with 90% damage. This doesn't dilute it at all. I don't understand....Yes, it's a shotgun with a charge time, but then what exactly makes a bow a bow? The others are just rifles with charge times if that's the case. The only thing that really makes a bow different in Warframe is the model, the arrows, the projectile drop, and the magazine of one, which is shown as no magazine. Honestly, that's even a stretch. Crossbows shoot arrows, which drop, thrown secondaries also drop, the vectis has one round in the mag, and other weapons have a charge time. The only thing that bows have that other weapons don't are the model and ammo view style, so essentially bows are only different in appearance. Even so the cernos prime has everything that makes bows special in Warframe so idk how giving it a single shot will ever help that. I'm sorry but all I see in this thread are people who simply don't like what makes the cernos special, but what you want most likely will just make the cernos's fans dislike it, and find it to be another Paris prime. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ironlixivium Posted May 16, 2017 Share Posted May 16, 2017 On 5/13/2017 at 2:00 PM, Gravitus123 said: Why is this still not a thing.Literally the biggest problem with the Cernos prime is that damn mechanic if it was just an alt fire the weapon would be much better.Also whos idea was it to give the weapon this mechanic The people who realize the community did not want another Paris prime, and tried something new. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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