Countries starting to make 'Lootbox' mechanics in game Illegal. Will this affect Warframe?

[rune_me]

4 minutes ago, SilvaDreams said:

But you can get them in-game for "free" too, thus not the same.

Getting something in game for free is not really relevant. You can get those player packs in Fifa in game for free as well. That didn't save the game from getting flagged, because you can also buy them for real money.

[Noseeno]

I don't think Warframe's currency/market system has ever been an issue to warrant the lootbox concern. Yes you can buy relics, but you can also earn them for free and it is not locked or required. You can get relics through mission rewards, other players, syndicate rewards and bounties. With such vast options, we can't label Warframe to be so unfair to warrant the lootbox scare. The economy is mostly player controlled, offering alternative ways to get the items by trading premium currency or other desired items.

I think the major issues of what makes Warframe so farm driven is the amount of content Warframe provides and the repeated actions we must do to acquire them, rather than limited/desired items that are locked behind hours of playtime that yield nothing. If anything, Warframe has had a pretty good track record over player concerns and input. The only effect on Warframe I can see is how they're doing it RIGHT compared to these other games.

[Hypernaut1]

I can't believe it seems like people would actually want government regulations tampering with our games... Especially one like Warframe. 

[rune_me]

1 minute ago, Hypernaut1 said:

I can't believe it seems like people would actually want government regulations tampering with our games... Especially one like Warframe. 

Very much so. It's been long overdue and I for one am very glad governments are starting to send a clear signal to game publishers that they are not above the law and that they can't get away with doing as they please. It should have happened a lot sooner, but at least it is happening now.

[Hypernaut1]

32 minutes ago, rune_me said:

Very much so. It's been long overdue and I for one am very glad governments are starting to send a clear signal to game publishers that they are not above the law and that they can't get away with doing as they please. It should have happened a lot sooner, but at least it is happening now.

"Above the law"? Really? You know games are voluntary right?

[rune_me]

Just now, Hypernaut1 said:

"Above the law"? Really? You know games are voluntary right?

Going into a casino is voluntary as well. Drinking beer is voluntary. Getting in your car and driving on the freeway is voluntary. That doesn't mean the government shouldn't regulate these things.

Buying things in a store is voluntary. That doesn't mean the owner of the store can just do as he please and treat costumers however he wants.

[Hypernaut1]

11 minutes ago, rune_me said:

Going into a casino is voluntary as well. Drinking beer is voluntary. Getting in your car and driving on the freeway is voluntary. That doesn't mean the government shouldn't regulate these things.

Buying things in a store is voluntary. That doesn't mean the owner of the store can just do as he please and treat costumers however he wants.

Playing video games and driving on the highway are two completely different things. So is gambling a mortgage at a casino in hopes of striking it big and blowing 100$ on a virtual item for a game you enjoy.

The majority of gamers aren't endangering their livelihood because of mtx. 

Edited May 12, 2018 by Hypernaut1

[rune_me]

8 minutes ago, Hypernaut1 said:

Playing video games and driving on the highway are two completely different things. So is gambling a mortgage at a casino in hopes of striking it big and blowing 100$ on a virtual item for a game you enjoy.

The majority of gamers aren't endangering their livelihood because of mtx. 

The majority of gamblers aren't either. But some are. Same for gamers. The fact that you say a $100 pretty much illustrates it. We aren't talking about $100. We are taking about people - children even - who have spend $10.000 on lootboxes.

[(XBOX)Papa Requiem]

17 minutes ago, Hypernaut1 said:

Playing video games and driving on the highway are two completely different things. So is gambling a mortgage at a casino in hopes of striking it big and blowing 100$ on a virtual item for a game you enjoy.

The majority of gamers aren't endangering their livelihood because of mtx. 

This thought process allows game devs to take advantage of people with addiction problems. If games won't regulate themselves I'm glad governments will.

Edited May 12, 2018 by (XB1)RevenantRequiem

[SenariousNex]

who the heck buy dragon mod packs anyway? That's like going to a grocery is store for a candy bar but instead buying the lottery tickets that have a low chance ofwinning the candy bar you want for the same price. It is a stupid system that only screws over new player who don't know any better. remove it. And relic pacs as well, why not just run EOS once and get RADIANT ones.

[(PSN)IroncladBomber]

NO MODPACKS OR RELIC PACKS!? What a Nightmare scenario am I right? The only RNG Lootbox that is a Problem in my opinion is Rivens, but those are earned in game and rolled with in-game resources. The fact that some people will spend hundreds of dollars on Plat to get a God-Tier Riven is not gambling, just kinda silly to me.

[Vilemyre]

7 hours ago, rune_me said:

Very much so. It's been long overdue and I for one am very glad governments are starting to send a clear signal to game publishers that they are not above the law and that they can't get away with doing as they please. It should have happened a lot sooner, but at least it is happening now.

And despite it EA found a loop hole where disclosing the drop chances of said loot boxes invalidates it as gambling meaning they can now continue their lootbox antics.

So companies only need to do that and they can continue using lootboxes.

[nerfinator6]

11 hours ago, SneakyErvin said:

You can actually pay for relic packs.

You sure? Earning them in-game =/= buying them with money

[SneakyErvin]

7 hours ago, nerfinator6 said:

You sure? Earning them in-game =/= buying them with money

Check the market, it sells the same Relic Bundles as the syndicates do. They cost 50p for 3 random relics.

10 hours ago, VermillionScourge said:

And despite it EA found a loop hole where disclosing the drop chances of said loot boxes invalidates it as gambling meaning they can now continue their lootbox antics.

So companies only need to do that and they can continue using lootboxes.

That would only apply in China since that was their idea to force lootbox % chance to be shown to the players. What Belgium is doing is a completely different thing. It isnt less of a gamble when you know the numbers, you can still go bust.

It is just like Triss and other scratch tickets in Sweden, on the back they have a complete list of how many total winnings of a certain sum there are in a batch and how many tickets there are in total in each. The only thing they dont mention (unless it has changed and is standardized) is the number of jackpot tickets. Mostly so people cant cheat and only buy tickets from jackpot batches. That may be gone now and each batch having the same amount of jackpots (I havent bought scratch tickets in a long long time).

[The_Boos2560]

On 2018-04-27 at 3:31 AM, rune_me said:

Since this has never happened with Pokemon or Baseball cards, no one has looked into it. You can be pretty sure, that if the same amount of public outrage would come down on Pokemon cards, they would receive the exact same treatment as loot boxes in video games currently are. 

Actually, baseball cards back in the early days received this very same treatment as gambling. It was won in TCGs favor, but it was still discussed and almost made illegal.