swodaem Posted June 22, 2018 Share Posted June 22, 2018 1. There is nothing new about umbra. Its not a different excalibur, or a sidegrade, its just better. 2. Makes the value of primes worse/turns them to mastery fodder. Why would someone grind for a prime only to have an umbra be much better? Sure all umbra is not out yet, but when they do start coming out why not just take the free easy to get umbra? 3. Its powercreep in the bad way. Its just creating a stronger version of another item. 4. Umbra had tons of potential that got wasted. So mamy different ideas floating around and now they are just upgrades with a new look. 5. You are essentially given a better version of a prime for doing nothing. Here take this upgrade for your warframe. Don't worry about playing the game for rewards that have meaning, just do a short quest and take it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(PSN)LeBlingKing Posted June 22, 2018 Share Posted June 22, 2018 Another angry Founder salty about his exclusive Warframe being outplayed by a Warframe that no one is forcing him to use. Next. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eldnacpeek Posted June 22, 2018 Share Posted June 22, 2018 3 hours ago, (PS4)LeBlingKing69 said: Another angry Founder salty about his exclusive Warframe being outplayed by a Warframe that no one is forcing him to use. Next. You're kinda projecting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lanadra Posted June 22, 2018 Share Posted June 22, 2018 2 minutes ago, swodaem said: 1. There is nothing new about umbra. Yes there is, he's the first frame to be geared specifically towards combat against sentients, likely in preparation for sentient focused content to come. 2. Makes the value of primes worse/turns them to mastery fodder. You're making baseless assumptions. You have no idea whether or not there will even be more Umbra frames. And even if there will be, you don't know whether or not they're going to be obtained exactly as Excal Umbra was. Which I rather doubt, I think they did it like this for Excal Umbra due to how long we've waited for him, as well as the hot topic of Excal Prime. 3. Its powercreep in the bad way. Powercreep is pretty much the norm in Warframe, always has been. Can't say I always appreciate it, but it is what it is. 4. Umbra had tons of potential that got wasted. I'm pretty sure he was always going to be a different looking Excalibur with some new gimmicks. 5. You are essentially given a better version of a prime for doing nothing. Quite frankly, it was a refreshing change and I found it a pleasant surprise to not have to grind for once. Would I want it for future Umbra's? No. -bleep- Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Echoes Posted June 22, 2018 Share Posted June 22, 2018 hace 2 minutos, (PS4)LeBlingKing69 dijo: Another angry Founder salty about his exclusive Warframe being outplayed by a Warframe that no one is forcing him to use. Next. But hey.. OP is right. 1. I was hoping for umbra to have another set of skills, thing that didn't happen. 2. Haven't use it a lot since I'm not fan of Excalibur, but I doubt it would make Prime ones fodder. 3. About the powercreep, the mods the Umbra has are worse and the actual Prime mods (except for that str mod) 4. Yeah, totally. 5. Nothing? Ah, now you are whining about that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Mustachio Posted June 22, 2018 Share Posted June 22, 2018 I’ll be honest. These posts are starting to get funny. Or is it just me? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
swodaem Posted June 22, 2018 Author Share Posted June 22, 2018 1 minute ago, Echoes said: But hey.. OP is right. 1. I was hoping for umbra to have another set of skills, thing that didn't happen. 2. Haven't use it a lot since I'm not fan of Excalibur, but I doubt it would make Prime ones fodder. 3. About the powercreep, the mods the Umbra has are worse and the actual Prime mods (except for that str mod) 4. Yeah, totally. 5. Nothing? Ah, now you are whining about that. This powercreep is the worst type. At least with new weapons or warframes you get a new experience. Umbra is the same exact thing with better mods. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alaeacus Posted June 22, 2018 Share Posted June 22, 2018 12 minutes ago, swodaem said: Lol You're a bad design. XD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beartornado Posted June 22, 2018 Share Posted June 22, 2018 (edited) 1. It needs some work but having a frame that distracts/ccs/fights enemies while you're using operator can be quite useful. Also Fashionframe is the lifeblood of this game, the fact that it looks different alone is good enough 2. This hasn't been an issue for mastery fodder weapons, this comes back around to fashionframe too. You know why people will bother with primes, you're just being facetious. DE isn't even going to make an Umbra for every frame if they decide to make more, they made that clear already. 3. Everything in warframe is powercreep the bad way. Warframe is the story of power creep out of control. 4. If you think the story we got out of Umbra was wasted then that's unfortunate for you. I expected nothing gameplay wise and still got more than that, what I was expecting was a good story and I got something great. 5. For how far you have to progress in this game to actually get to this point, it's quite a bit of work. We just don't see it because we've been here waiting for it to release, imagine how much lies before a fresh player to accomplish. To that end the quest is also difficult if you lack the gear, it makes a word of difference if you've had time to hoard power vs someone with still mostly vanilla mods and equipment. Edited June 22, 2018 by Beartornado Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lanadra Posted June 22, 2018 Share Posted June 22, 2018 6 minutes ago, Echoes said: But hey.. OP is right. 1. I was hoping for umbra to have another set of skills, thing that didn't happen. 2. Haven't use it a lot since I'm not fan of Excalibur, but I doubt it would make Prime ones fodder.3. About the powercreep, the mods the Umbra has are worse and the actual Prime mods (except for that str mod) 4. Yeah, totally. 5. Nothing? Ah, now you are whining about that. They are designed for Sentient combat, their value and usefulness will likely change when content goes in that direction. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peterc3 Posted June 22, 2018 Share Posted June 22, 2018 Deja vu. I'm assuming the last one was deep sixed? 5 minutes ago, Echoes said: 1. I was hoping for umbra to have another set of skills, thing that didn't happen. You were hoping that a frame variant was going to get a new set of abilities, something never mentioned nor supported by every other frame variant produced. 15 minutes ago, swodaem said: So mamy different ideas floating around and now they are just upgrades with a new look. Because every idea the community vomits out is great and DE should implement it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr.SpookSpook Posted June 22, 2018 Share Posted June 22, 2018 6 minutes ago, The_Mustachio said: I’ll be honest. These posts are starting to get funny. Or is it just me? I think it is kinda sad... How close-minded, unappreciative and short-sighted people can be.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
swodaem Posted June 22, 2018 Author Share Posted June 22, 2018 2 minutes ago, peterc3 said: Deja vu. I'm assuming the last one was deep sixed? You were hoping that a frame variant was going to get a new set of abilities, something never mentioned nor supported by every other frame variant produced. Because every idea the community vomits out is great and DE should implement it? Actually DE said umbra could have different skills. Not sure when they said it, but someone can find it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lanadra Posted June 22, 2018 Share Posted June 22, 2018 Just now, swodaem said: Actually DE said umbra could have different skills. Not sure when they said it, but someone can find it. Well, you're saying it, soooo I'd say you should go find it to support your argument. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eldnacpeek Posted June 22, 2018 Share Posted June 22, 2018 (edited) 3 hours ago, swodaem said: Actually DE said umbra could have different skills. Not sure when they said it, but someone can find it. They didn't, sorry. It was just stated a few times that they don't want him to be "just a reskin". Some players interpreted this and every other message like it as "he will have entirely different abilities". Edited June 22, 2018 by LazerSkink Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Omega-Shadowblade Posted June 22, 2018 Share Posted June 22, 2018 Just now, swodaem said: Actually DE said umbra could have different skills. Not sure when they said it, but someone can find it. Excal lacking a public prime probably was the main reason the powers are so similar. If there are more umbras, I imagine we'll get more deviation from the norm. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
artemisfortune Posted June 22, 2018 Share Posted June 22, 2018 (edited) 19 minutes ago, (PS4)LeBlingKing69 said: Another angry Founder salty about his exclusive Warframe being outplayed by a Warframe that no one is forcing him to use. Next. You're not very nice, are you? Edit: Posts like this make me miss the downvote button. Edited June 22, 2018 by Pent_ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aeon94 Posted June 22, 2018 Share Posted June 22, 2018 (edited) 4 minutes ago, swodaem said: Actually DE said umbra could have different skills. Not sure when they said it, but someone can find it. They have said there will be special mechanic TIED to Umbra , they never said they are gonna give him a whole new kit. Maybe Sentient Arm Cannons will be available to Umbras ? Who knows? Edited June 22, 2018 by Aeon94 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UrielColtan Posted June 22, 2018 Share Posted June 22, 2018 Power creep? Its just a prime with worse prime mods under the Umbra theme, that suck in general without the whole set and have an inconvenient polarity that can only be used for those mods to boot, and you can't even forma to get the polarity back if you change your mind. The best thing about an Umbra is that they behave like a specter when you leave them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aeon94 Posted June 22, 2018 Share Posted June 22, 2018 1 minute ago, UrielColtan said: Power creep? Its just a prime with worse prime mods under the Umbra theme, that suck in general without the whole set and have an inconvenient polarity that can only be used for those mods to boot, and you can't even forma to get the polarity back if you change your mind. The best thing about an Umbra is that they behave like a specter when you leave them. Free specter at best. :D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
artemisfortune Posted June 22, 2018 Share Posted June 22, 2018 1 minute ago, UrielColtan said: Power creep? Its just a prime with worse prime mods under the Umbra theme, that suck in general without the whole set and have an inconvenient polarity that can only be used for those mods to boot, and you can't even forma to get the polarity back if you change your mind. The best thing about an Umbra is that they behave like a specter when you leave them. With the Umbral mods maxed out he performs better than Excal Prime with his added passives. It's 100% power creep. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Educated_Beast Posted June 22, 2018 Share Posted June 22, 2018 (edited) It is a side grade. Excal prime can fit higher damage mods / utility on both frame and exhaulted weapon. Umbra definitely has better defence mods, but who builds for defence? One vitality mod is all you ever need, and even then, mostly not needed. Umbra is better versus sentients, prime is better versus all other factions. The new mods < prime versions. The passive on umbra requires you to lose exhaulted blade when return to frame. It's a gimmick. More damage if stay in frame woosh woosh wooshing. Then again, versus sentients, it's a nice bonus. Definitely a side grade / specialty frame. I love it, really cool. Khora on the other hand, still farming for that crap. Edited June 22, 2018 by Educated_Beast Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoolDudeMcCool Posted June 22, 2018 Share Posted June 22, 2018 Warn DE against making future Umbras literally just better Primes. Don't complain that Umbras are literally just better Primes. There's a difference. One is complaining, one is giving a suggestion for future content. Only one makes sense. We only have one Umbra so far, and he's a special case. Excalibur is special because he's the only frame without a Prime that won't get a Prime - that is, a Prime which is accessible to the general community. So giving him a second Prime in the form of Umbra is fine. We have no reason to think they'll do that for other frames. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CupcakesMoo Posted June 22, 2018 Share Posted June 22, 2018 Remember when they straight up deleted the last thread like this? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Educated_Beast Posted June 22, 2018 Share Posted June 22, 2018 2 minutes ago, Pent_ said: With the Umbral mods maxed out he performs better than Excal Prime with his added passives. It's 100% power creep. How? More damage on frame, no. Need all three mods to get the damage on intensify. Regular intensify / transient fortitude better. Same with weapon mods. Primed pressure point + elemental mod give more damage. Especially when use chromatic blade. Better defence, yeah but so what. It's overkill. One vitality mod is all you ever need, if that much. Umbra will be vastly better at sentients when we get that material. Umbra is a bane frame. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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