SneakyErvin

By the way. I saw you considered replacing Umbra Fiber for something else. I'd suggest replacing Augur Secrets in that case since it you replace Fiber you dont only give up armor, but you give up HP aswell as strength near equal to Augur Secrets. So better to dump Secrets and then either swap Steel Charge for Brief Respite or slap an augur mod (or 2) on your secondary (which you likely dont use eitherway heh).

I'll just settle with answering this sections since all you do is really talk in circles. None of what you describe gets removed in SP. You willingly downgrade for other content, but you arent actually sacrificing anything. You skipping damage doesnt actually alter your build, you bringing peculiars doesnt actually alter your build, since they do nothing out of a gameplay perspective, they arent tied to progress and so on. That you earlier also state that builds start happening the moment you start modding is just uhm wrong. It's like saying you have a level 10 build in a game like Diablo or something, which you uhm dont have. Builds come into the picture when they actually matter, when there is a meaningful impact of your choice. There is nothing like that when you "build" for lower levels, all you do is make the low level feel like the high level if you downgrade enough and there is little point to it when you can do everything in the higher version, as you can in SP compared to SC. You also keep burping out the misconceptions of SP. Now you claim things like slash and armor stripping is a must. You also claim single target versus AoE will be impacted in terms of effectiveness due to SP modifiers. Neither are true claims. You can go for hours in SP without ever touching slash or stripping effects, I did so for a very long time while still keeping the KPM high, and still do so on most frames I play. And single target vs AoE applies to the whole game when it comes to effectiveness, since we never face single mobs so AoE will always be more efficient. It isnt some SP related thing. Arbitration puts even higher focus on AoE in order to handle drones most effectively since they are mostly blocked by invulnerable enemies. edit: I gotta say that DE made the oddest choice with drones, they should have been designed as pure single target enemies. Plus, none of what you mention actually changes gameplay. Adding a bunch of pointless mods and going low enough in level will still make the gun feel exactly the same as it would with proper mods in higher content. And like you mentioned regarding a gun that renders CC moot, so you want to remove damage mods so you can CC. Well you just made low level content the same as SP then, so why do you run regular content that is the same as the higher content that allows you both to use the mods you've gathered and the CC of the frame/weapon you use? You end up with the exact same gameplay in both cases, where the lower level mission actually requires you to sacrifice something to be able to play a certain way. The CC itself is also less useful since there are way fewer mobs that also hit for far far less. So SP in that case would further enable your playstyle of choice. So using mods designed by DE to be used was using builds the game was not designed around? Grade-A logic there. Also, you have no idea how I built. Or are you saying that building for efficiency and duration since I like using abilities and not having to recast buffs too often is not an intended design by DE? But I guess you assumed that I'm an overboard strength user or something, one of those that keep increasing damage even if there is no way to ½-shot something etc. I tried some of those builds on Rhino and Chroma for instance, but in the end they are utterly pointless, even in SP etc. I think I have maybe 3 frames at the moment that go beyond +100% in their builds. I've also never relied on shield gate abuse, I've always prefered hp+armor frames, never really built those into absurdity either. So SP doesnt impose any sacrifice or limitations really, since the builds I use personally are pretty much just middle of the pack balanced. And there is nothing in those builds I could remove to make them behave differently, since the things removed would simply just remove power while the builds still play the same in SC as they do in SP. The only frames and builds I wont take to SP are the ones I do not enjoy, but then again, that applies just the same to SC and everything else in the game. You will for instance never see me touch Yareli, not even with a 10 foot pole. Or do you think something like a massively ranged Loki is somehow not an appropriate build on the SC? You dont like to have things that improves the speed of the missions? Well good news for you then, you can have horrible builds in SP aswell to make things go as slow as they possibly can!

Atlas and Kullervo are probably two of the most satisfying frames atm when it comes to wrecking things in melee. Ceramic Dagger for Atlas is really nice since it has low maintenance and can reach 10x initial combo with a Riven and the new aura along with its incarnon perks. (Sancti) Magistar is OK on Atlas but requires actual upkeep and cant reach 10x initial combo, and the initial combo gained from Magistar is also locked behind the incarnon form being active, while on Ceramic Dagger all you need to do is kill 100 enemies with your primary and then it is all passive without ever having to interact with the incarnon form.

All of what you say can be linked back to what I said, that it is a misconception by those that dont really care about progress and just want new stuff anyway. In addition to that, everything you mention can be applied to any new content of higher level, I even lined up several in the previous post, including Star Chart content. So there has always been a place where a better build (or an actual build) has a meaning, and where a "build" you might enjoy elsewhere isnt the least viable. SP hasnt changed any of that, it is just a new place of a higher level. There is no real gameplay difference, since if you like a certain type of gameplay and build for that, all you do if you "build" for lower levels is use different items that play the same. Like AoE? You might use a worse AoE weapon that practically plays the exact same as a better one. Like Assault Rifles? The difference is you likely use a worse one that still results in the same gameplay experience. And it repeats like that for practically any weapon class, it really only comes down to power, which isnt a gameplay difference. The same also applies to frames. Heck most of my frames are built the exact same way as they were long before SP was every introduced. They practically have the same builds now as those they got when I obtained "all" modding options. The few things that have changed is that some of those mods have gotten upgraded, or some have been replaced for a similar effect. Things that would have changed in those build with or without SP as part of the game. So there has been no sacrifice demanded by SP, I've simply used the progress that the game has given me long before that. It would also be nice if you answered the simple question I asked regarding this. What builds do you refer to that differ a great deal between SC and SP? You dont really need optimal builds. Just a balanced build that can be done by using mods that have been available for years really. It used to be very limiting when it first released, when there was such a heavy focus on KPM to get any worthwhile amount of Steel Essence. But since acolytes got introduced you can do it with practically anything. Heck most of my SP runs were done with Silva & Aegis Prime after acolytes were added.

SP doesnt change the viability of the baseline though. We've had other modes prior to SP that already made certain baseline items (with mods included even) obsolete. Arbitrations practically set the bar for good and bad gear and the good gear viable in arbitrations is viable in SP. Then we have liches and sisters too. All limiting what you can bring to be effective. Not to mention that at some point we also got Disruption, which even at SC levels really showed which weapons and modding worked or not. As to your last point, both Archons and Netracells practically have SP scaling. While SP is set to +150% at all times, Archons and Cells start at +100% (no armor bonus) and scale with a further +50% per squad member. In addition to that they also apply several other limitations not present in SP, like far more limited gear use (no specters, 3 minute CD on consumables etc), a 1-life restriction and so on. Eximus units are also more common in the two modes. Ontop of that Netracells levels equal those of 1h+ in endless SP. And since enemy damage isnt modified by SP, but depends on enemy level and mob types, both Archons and Cells would pose a higher threat since their levels are for the most part higher and while throwing more eximus units at you. Meaning that if you run a squishy frame on SC and SP otherwise, bringing them to Archons or Cells may not be as appealing since the incoming damage is overall higher and you are only given a single life. So I dont really understand your gripe with SP when we have mandatory modes that are already more limiting to how you can build. And that we've had far more limiting modes in the past prior to SP makes it even harder to understand your gripe with SP.

Atleast you can play a beautiful ballerina of death with 2h Nikanas and Kullervo. And with that I just gave myself an urge for some Ballerina cookies. Sad part is... no cookies around and I'm too lazy to go to the store. 😕

But why should you be modless? You are practically proving my point that some people dont care to progress but want everything eitherway. The tools are there, you can in practice pick whatever you want and beat SP aslong as you build properly i.e actually building and not just slapping things together without thought. You arent sacrificing anything in that process since the thing you use wont get worse at dealing with lower content and the playstyle wont really change either. If a gun spits death in low content with a random setup of mods it will spit death in the same fashion in SP with proper modding. You will very likely not feel any gameplay change by skipping crap mod X for BiS mod Y since the weapon will handle the same and just deal more effective damage. I think I said a while back in a discussion that you dont need to specifically build anything to handle star chart, so there are no "star chart builds" for instance. That doesnt translate to use suddenly having to sacrifice something to do SP, just that we actually need to make builds as opposed to an "anything goes" approach. I've played SP with the most fragile frames and the most durable, it works no matter which I pick aslong as I've actually invested myself in how I build them, and I've never had to alter my playstyle with them to cater to SP. Most weapons work aswell, but I wouldnt go with a MK1 Braton when I have a Braton Prime if I wanna use a Braton. And if a person isnt interested in building, it shouldnt matter to them if unique rewards are locked behind SP anyways, since they likely wont use the items after they obtain them eitherway, since building is obviously not their cup of tea. The balance and varitey is in SP just the same as the rest of the game. Not even SP matches our power for that matter. It isnt about proving something either, it is simply about making use of the items we've gathered earlier in the game. The only thing SP does is require us to use better mods than needed on the SC for most part, but mods dont alter a playstyle exactly, since it just result in more power to an exsisting playstyle determined by the frame and weapon of choice. So you "sacrifice" lower power to gain higher power while the playstyle is intact. And the boss mechanics connected to SP (60) would have been the same if it was accessible elsewhere and the difficulty all the same, so being pissed it is SP specific is a little strange. The difference would have just been that you'd jump from normal, bounty or SP to the SP60 difficulty when enough eyes were gathered. Would that piss you off less since it is accessible from non-SP aswell? I'm just curious what builds you refer to that you cannot take into SP, builds that alter your gameplay to a noticable degree between "SC builds" and "SP builds". And what you have to sacrifice in that SC specific gameplay setup. edit: I forgot to ask this in relation to the SP60 boss. Since you are pissed at that, are you also pissed at Archons in general? Since they are bosses only available through a specific higher level mode, although not SP but still SP scaled.

Hmmm. Must test Edun tomorrow when I can grab another Melee Arcane Adapter. Sounds interesting since I already love melee influence.

That isnt the issue since camera shake is already disabled. This is about the camera turning on its own with those specific weapons when triggered with Wrathful Advance. Both turn the camera automatically and Nikanas makes the camera end up facing towards the ground when the finisher is done. Meaning it gets really wonky with weapons like Syam and the Agendus. Have tried getting rid of it by disabling some of the melee camera/target functions but none of them do anything.

But none of this is really true and mostly misconceptions of players, or simply players that dont want to progress while still wanting all the loot available. We dont need to sacrifice anything for SP and we arent really shoehorned into a few builds to farm it efficiently. It isnt really the game that implies it either, it's negative players that spread misinformation. SP overall can be pushed far if we look at endless, the only game mode that gets harder and harder, and it doesnt require any specific setup to push acceptably far for it to be efficient. This can be done without any real issue with both shield based frames and HP tanks, and a multitude of weapons. Sure if someone wants to just use the S#&$ties of S#&$e available to them, then yeah they likely wont do much in SP. But then again, why should the rest of the players be stopped by someone that doesnt really care anyways regarding what items they use? Large parts of the community lack a serious understanding of building properly or making a working loadout. It's easy to spot this when jumping into public, more notably in higher content like archon hunts. People investing in pointless amounts of power strength that will never give any value to the content they are currently in, while sacrificing survival in return and go down quicker than a slut on promnight. This has been an issue ever since the plague that was the "endless" guides pre-shield gate. Where people followed a guide intended for endless so deep that you would always get 1HKed, so building for any survival stat was pointless. But at the same time they didnt play that deep endless with the build, so only lowered their own TTL in the content they ran for absolutely no reason. Which also was a large part of the massive "I get 1-shot!" outcries.

Some yes, more so on Kullervo due to the HA animation of some weapons in combination with Wrathful Advance. Sword+Shield and Nikanas for instance, where the camera wobbles around massively when pulling of their HA with Wrathful Advance. Otherwise weapons I tend to skip past due to animations would be Scythes, Ghoulsaw and 2h Nikanas (unless I play Kullervo and only use the HA on them). There are however plenty of stances I skip due to their animations.

Not really. But my brain does suffer slight OCD from it since the skin doesnt transfer over to incarnon. So if I equip a solstice skin for instance my brain goes "nuh hu!" since when incarnon activates it is no longer the same gun because the solstice pattern disappears while in reality that part of the gun doesnt actually change in the incarnon transformation, since you can see that it doesnt if you use the basic intended skin. And if I equip a completely different skin my brain likely wants to murder me. It refused to talk to me for about a week after I slapped the 2x barrel shotgun skin on Laetum. Overreact much!? So for now I dont use anything but the basic skins.

It reminds me so much of Borknagar or Vintersorg and similar blacked cosmic nature viking metal bands. Ris Vom Khra also reminds me of someone having some bad rice pudding (risgrynsgröt) during christmas and trying to tell you that before vom(e)ting to the sound of "khra!" all over the place. But after that all is fine, since the tummy is empty and void again.

I just got shived by the server goblin again.

That could have been solved by converting all energy:shield mods to energy:OG mods. That way every frame would have had access to it. They would have just had to keep Lavos and Hildryn in mind aswell, so they'd get OG from those mods based on what the skill would cost on a normal frame. They could have also mimiced shield gate this way by giving all frames a natural 1 point of OG and have shields be the first health type to take damage followed by OG. Then the moment shields would start regging 1 point of OG would be refilled and give a partial gate similar to shields. The benefit would be it working on all frames and stopping 1 shots from toxin aswell.

Have not tried Force yet. No crit sync for it afaik. Not sure if it is worth it or needed since he has access to AoE on Wrathful Advance through Curse which already kills everything. 19.1x crit damage on Ceramic Dagger!? Damn man! Good crit roll on the riven huh? I still need crit damage on my riven, mostly went for initial combo to start with so I dont need to kill many mobs to reach the incarnon transition. Think I currently need to kill like 2 enemies with my primary to hit 6x combo. But damn, 19.1x crit, that is crazy!

Same here. Could not update account info thingy after a Fragmented exterminate. Then it worked on last try buy got a "could not connect to server" or something while standing in the hub. Then when I restarted it took a while for the initial https route checkup thing to do its things in the launcher.

No I refered to actually getting our void invaded so to speak. Hence why it wasnt seriously written in any way. You are the one trying to decide what someone else ment or implied with what they wrote. And for some odd reason refuse to accept what was actually ment, even when the person who wrote it tells you. edit: Having a case of savior complex by chance?

Zero reason to actually tennokai on him, no matter the weapon. I currently run a permanent 10x combo Ceramic Dagger on him in one build, soley built for HA spamming through Wrathful Advance. Tennokai mod used is the one that increases chance to 50% while adding passive heavy attack crit damage. I never worry about the Tennokai window. I never really melee either with the build, just HA spamming. Using corrosive melee arcane. My second setup is with a Viral+Electric Dual Ichor. I never use Tennokai actively there either due to the passive efficiency I already get with Kullervo. This build plays more like regular melee, with Wrathful Advance used to keep the buff up and to insta kill heavier things like Acolytes or Voidrigs. Insane damage with the electric melee arcane that results in status spread. It practically leaves corpses all over the map due to the cloud on kill counting as a melee kill when it kills through spreading statuses, so it spreads itself to wherever it lands a kill. It is also a constant healing and OG battery for my pet with primed pack leader. I also love Kullervo for the fact that you can completely skip crit chance mods and still reach absurdly high tiers of red crits. I'm at around 565% final crit with Wrathful Advance+Avenger in my builds. And my Ceramix Dagger sits at 9x crit damage with Tenacious Bond and Dual Ichor sits at x15 before the bonus crit tiers are added.

Mmm and clearly someone referencing that specific incident is serious, because obviously DE would introduce that which rhymes with therapists into the story? Like uh? Wut?

Nope, since if you cant answer it here after having claimed there are "breakdowns" what makes you think I'll waste time talking to you in either the game, DMs or over discord? What would make you not dodge the question there, what would make you provide the material you claim you have when you cant do it here?

That story isnt even about an adult from the Zariman. That is one of the people that were part of the rescue crew sent to Zariman after it emerged from the void. One of the investigators.

Or you could simply just post what was asked for so many posts ago? Those "breakdowns".

A post starting with "I can see it now", being based on a sexual reference and includes "*wink* *wink* *nudge* *nudge*" and is ended with a banana and a donut emote, and you manage to actually take it as serious? Thanks for the good chuckle man!

I dont. I have a problem with the reasoning around this subject, nothing else. And that reasoning just happens to come from you, I'd have the same problem no matter where it came from.