Please remove Defection from sorties because they break too easily

[xDangerCatx]

Once again I'm begging you to remove this game mode from sorties since it breaks way too often to be usable.

I saw they were the first mission in today's sortie, so I groaned and went in.  I had a full team of four and we were doing well until the host dropped and after loading back in, the door leading to the defectors was locked and nobody could get in or out, so we had to drop.  Okay, things happen on host change, not the fault of the mission in itself I suppose.  But the second map, again with a full team of four thank goodness, hit upon the dreaded stuck defector on the first rotation before the second pathway unlocks.  For those who don't know, and I know DE knows about this bug because I complained about this very issue months ago, there is a room that if the defectors spawn in, and one WILL get stuck and be unable to leave the room, let alone get to the exit.

This proves to be a problem if you haven't opened both pathways yet since a round wont complete unless all defectors make it to the escape ship.  I assume that maybe loki can switch teleport this defector, but I never bring loki on this since there are better frames to use.  Trying to get this defector killed is honestly impossible since not enough enemies spawn around him to attack him.  If you have unlocked both groups of defectors by the time this happens, luckily you can limp along doing just one group.  But if you have not, or if you are doing this solo (And I often seem to end up doing this solo because it seems people see Defections and skip the sorties and my matchmaking usually fails to connect me with a group) you are screwed.

So in closing, PLEASE remove Defection from sorties.  I would ask you to fix the pathfinding issues, and maybe the host change issues, but let's be honest... that's not going to happen anytime soon, so yanking Defection out because it breaks sounds like a good compromise.  You already removed Lua spy from Sorties, why not Defection as well?

I'm including a screenshot of the defector, unable to move past an ankle high barrier thus proving that not only do they have the "pacifism defect", but they have the  "lifting their legs slightly higher than six inches defect".

[Oreades]

As much as I hate defection and I do.... like really do, like most hated game mode outside maybe Archwing Rush (well at least on the corpus ship tile). I don't see a reason to outright remove it, I still want Lua Spy back. 

That said, definitely fix the pathing. Tho I'm not sure that's going to happen any time soon seeing as the map waypointing system can't seem to go a single game without having an aneurysm. Ether running you around in literal circles or or dispensing with the :"take this door" attempt all together. Dropping the extraction waypoint over 1k meters away and hoping you eventually muddle your way there. If it doesn't vanish completely.  

 

[Lutesque]

18 minutes ago, xDangerCatx said:

Okay, things happen on host change, not the fault of the mission in itself I suppose.

I have a different opinion.... But continue....

20 minutes ago, xDangerCatx said:

I assume that maybe loki can switch teleport this defector, but I never bring loki on this since there are better frames to use

That plus Warframe Abilities being used to Bypass Bugs is stupid feature.

24 minutes ago, xDangerCatx said:

So in closing, PLEASE remove Defection from sorties.  I would ask you to fix the pathfinding issues, and maybe the host change issues, but let's be honest... that's not going to happen anytime soon, so yanking Defection out because it breaks sounds like a good compromise.

I mean... Even if they did Fix it... the experience of doing even without bugs is Horrible....

This game mode can't be saved..  it must die.

 

[ArturiaFayth]

Loki is the easiest solution for that bug where they get stuck, but Nova also works with her worm hole, it is just a pain to get that worm hole placed properly if they are already stuck.  I know Ivara her zipline could be used to prevent them from getting stuck, but that might be fixed as it used the same trick that you could apply in the jordas golem raid so try that one at your own risk.  Before steelpath released, valkyr her ripline could also work sometimes but i mainly know about that one thanks to dumb luck. Thought i was aiming a bit above the defector ( turns out i didn't ) and pulled the defector instead of pulling myself there so unless that is a bug, you can use that one as well.

 

[Loveframe]

This mode needs an anti-stuck-npc feature where if an NPC is in the same spot for X amount of time or X distance from the rest of a squad that they auto-teleport to their comrades. Seems like this would resolve for this issue.

[Marswipp]

This could be another case of "video, or it doesn't exist," and given how often NPC pathing and spawning in certain game modes generate complaints, you'd think they would look into the mentioned edge case.

[ligonare]

Defecation is a badly designed mode because it is a babysitting escort mission. I am sick of babysitting braindead AI with pathfinding issues.

This gamemode needs to go back to the drawing board because it is a unfun mess.

[xDangerCatx]

Adding in to the discussion with a little bump so DE hopefully sees it.

I agree that certain frames can (probably, I haven't tested all of them.  I generally bring Trinity to heal or Oberon if the sortie is radiation based) help unstick that one stuck target, but we shouldn't have to plan around an easily re-occurring bug.  An unstuck function would also help with NPCs, perhaps if they're "moving" in one place for longer than 10 seconds without actually moving, they could teleport to the nearest safe spot on the ground, or the entrance of the room or something.

I'm only asking for it's removal due to how frustrating it is and how often it breaks and has to be restarted.  I never had a problem with the Lua spy sorties, but I did them solo since I never trust strangers on a sortie spy mission and those are even harder if you don't know what to do, so I never encountered the bugs that would crop up with other people in them that was apparently the problem.  I don't like defection, but I don't hate it as much as I should ever sunce I had to run it like 80 times to get the frame part I needed back in the day.  If they could fix the AI pathfinding issues, sure, keep it.  But I know that's an ongoing issue and wont happen anytime soon, so the best case scenario is that they remove it for the time being.  Honestly, it's out of place most of the time.  Sortie against The Jackal? Why is there a pause to fight infested? Who knows!

[(PSN)haphazardlynamed]

On 2020-08-06 at 8:27 AM, Gashslapper said:

This mode needs an anti-stuck-npc feature where if an NPC is in the same spot for X amount of time or X distance from the rest of a squad that they auto-teleport to their comrades. Seems like this would resolve for this issue.

Seems simple enough

if they can do that for Pets that are bleeding out, I don't see why not for other NPCs

[Kefirno]

On 2020-08-06 at 5:46 PM, xDangerCatx said:

Once again I'm begging you to remove this game mode from the game since it's garbage.

Fixed that for you. Honestly I'm baffled that DE did not replace all defecation nodes with disruption when they had a chance.

[DoomFruit]

Defection sorties are an instant skip for me simply because I'm so utterly and thoroughly fed up with this game mode after having been required to poopsock it for multiple 3 hour sessions when it came out in order to get the Ignis Wraith. And then shortly afterwards, the game mode was released proper and Harrow stuffed into the C rotation. Sitting through that was the final straw for me and I am never touching it again.

[DrivaMain]

They have 2 options.

1. Remove it from the game. Players as a whole will not miss it like Self Damage removal except a very very very small minority.

2. Make the Kavor Defectors immune to stagger, knockdown, knockback, and they can phase through enemies and allies. This is one of the major reason they get stuck in places. Getting knocked back to certain spots it causes the AI to get confused or the defector to get stuck

[Invisibleaxeman]

Trying to get another Harrow systems, which is problematic when after 4 squads rescued the door to point C won't open, no exit showing so I can't extract and have to quit. Complete waste of time.