[Dante Unbound] Our plans for next week (35.5.6)

[[DE]Momaw]

It's been an exciting week for Warframe. Following the very positive launch of Dante Unbound, we threw open the doors to the Deep Archimedea and Elite Deep Archimedea. People have been laughing all the way to the bank with their new-found riches of Archon Shards.

But there's also been some missteps which we must take responsibility and apologize for, with regard to Dante himself and the rapid changes that caught people unawares. We've already made a big correction by fixing the new Line of Sight calculations which were, to put it bluntly, not as good as they should have been on release.

We never stop reviewing feedback, and in the spirit of making constant improvements to our game, here's a preview of our next steps in response to what players have said:

• Adding back and formalizing the Status Damage Vulnerability to Dante's "Pageflight". In other words not just making enemies take more Status procs, but also increasing the damage of their Status. We removed this in Hotfix 35.5.3 because it was unexpected, and we regarded it as a bug. But many of you have expressed a desire to have this back, so we are working to restore it.
• Improving the co-op play between Warframes that give their teammates Overguard and Warframes that rely on taking damage:
  • Vex Armor can charge its damage buff by getting ranged kills and its armor buff by getting melee or ability kills. This is in addition to the existing functionality. This allows Vex Armor to work while having Overguard and also in general provides a nice interaction where you can get the buff faster from playing well and not just from tanking hits.
  • Rage/Hunter Adrenaline will now grant Energy when you don't have Shields, so Inaros and Nidus (or any frame when their Shields are temporarily down), can regenerate Energy even through Overguard.

You can expect to see a Hotfix next week that adds these items. Other forms of self damage like Combat Discipline will also be reviewed in the future. We have definitely heard you on this point, we're just not sure that it will be done as quickly as the other interactions already mentioned.

 

 

[Voltage]

Why not just remove Line of Sight temporarily from affected abilities while a solution is worked out? It's been a point of negative feedback every time it's been added to something. It doesn't matter whether it's Dante, Khora, or several other abilities and weapons. Line of Sight in Warframe has just been historically bad. I am all for allowing room for fixes and benefits, but Line of Sight has never really worked "well". I know most players forget about something a few weeks after it's passed, but Line of Sight issues have remained in the game for a very long time. Tragedy is just the latest tragedy of Line of Sight nerfs.

In any case, thank you for the transparency and working towards improvements. The Overguard changes are nice to see as well. Here's hoping that this attention to Dante can be seen throughout other Warframes to give them much-needed love or long-overdue balance changes.

Edited April 6 by Voltage
Expanded on abilities outside of Tragedy.

[Eggximus]

Sweet

[cebbolar]

Dante himself is an obstacle to using tragedy. Is this a bug or is it meant to be? Also a survey. Those with a higher screen resolution will kill more enemies? They will literally see more enemies because of the rendering features.

[randomkaleb]

Really happy to hear about the Pageflight change, I think this puts Dante in a good place. 

[NightmareT12]

Happy to see the points mentioned :) Hoping that you're open to revisit Tragedy if the LoS changes you did today don't bode well with the community still.

Have a nice weekend guys!

[Stelthmastr]

LOS isn't working correctly after the patch ~30 minutes ago. 

Edited April 5 by Stelthmastr
Editing in case the devs are actually looking: your own player model blocks line of site, dead bodies block line of site

[MrsSilverAndro]

11 minutes ago, [DE]Momaw said:

Vex Armor can charge its damage buff by getting ranged kills and its armor buff by getting melee or ability kills. This is in addition to the existing functionality.

never thought id see the day

[Mazifet]

All of these changes are amazing, I'm sure chroma mains are absolutely ecstatic right now. Good work!

[Carlosmann100]

Line of sight on Dante is still incredibly buggy, just REVERT IT!

[Ed3mon]

An amazing start but, almost there, just honestly address the LoS, if you guys have a reason for why you think it needs to be implemented than just explain, it would probably make people understand more

[CjoewD]

LoS still is extremely buggy (please just revert LoS on tragedy). Didn't even need an hour of testing to see that. But the pageflight change will be nice.

[Flim_]

I’m still on the boat of removing LOS from tragedy. Though, the other changes are fantastic. Especially Pageflight.  

[Cyberdragunz]

Remove LoS from Dante's 4

[Airpodwax]

We all know adding LoS checks to tragedy was a bad call.

Stop pretending like it wasn't.

Just revert that change already, literally 0 people asked for it, and it was wholly unnecessary. 

[Atyacari]

Remove los. 100 of pages on the original post 90 percent of the begging for los to be reverted. 

[BR31]

Don't forget nezha's aug pls and los check is still clunky . 

[Halo]

Line of Sight was 100% not fixed, Dark Verse is now affected by it, and now Dante himself is now an obstacle that is LoS checked. 

If you actually listened to the community, revert his changes, and listen to our feedback in regards to removing overguard for allies. 

Pageflight being looked into is amazing and all, but you're not even mentioning Dark Verse nor Tragedy still feeling god awful.

Lemme sum this up in 11 words or less: 

REVERT THE LINE OF SIGHT CHECKING, FOR THE LOVE OF GOD...

Edited April 5 by Halo

[crazywolfpusher]

18 minutes ago, [DE]Momaw said:

 

• • Rage/Hunter Adrenaline will now grant Energy when you don't have Shields, so Inaros and Nidus (or any frame when their Shields are temporarily down), can regenerate Energy even through Overguard.

 

big huge gargantuan W for Kullervo

Edited April 5 by crazywolfpusher

[Melles64]

Does this mean Rage/Hunter's Adrenaline will no longer work while channeling an ability? If so, I'm just going to have to stop playing Oberon altogether. I love his aesthetic and I've been playing him a lot (still my most played frame) until recently, but if this change doesn't allow him to generate any energy with those mods his energy economy is just too bad to continue using. He's been in rough shape for a while but this would be the last nail in the coffin.

[DecadeX]

Can we get a look at the Nezha augment change as well. 50% base radius reduction is a 75% area reduction, and that's no small tweak.

[LioncubPrime]

I am sad, disappointed because no matter how you say you will fix line of sight, and how much people are crying out for solutions, none of those were added to your consideration. Light of sight is still bugged by the render of the warframe itself. I asked to define your own definition how your game engine of line of sight would work so that people can adjust to. None was answered. No matter how much you say you have reviewed all those feedback, this result only show you have already disregarded all the feedback where you asked to be tolerated and understood as the team cannot fix as quick as decide to ruin the mechanic of the game.
You come up with some so called tweaks to adjust some none existing problems or exist but can be fixed with different approaches. And look at the result of this patch, it is still patchy, band-aid to what you have scarred to player's trust.
Please consider your next patch better, much deeper than just use some tape and glue on something else, not to the main issue.
The remain skills using line of sight remain buggy, from excalibur to ember to nova's augment...etc still.

[yeahnil]

The 'hotfix' broke it even further. Now changing FOV and anything obstructed by Dante himself blocks the ability.

 

JUST REVERT THE GODDAMN CHANGES

[FierceDeityLinkMask]

Remove LOS DE. Stop BS'ing. 

[KhayziGG]

Please just remove the LOS and nerf the range itself