xFrostKnightx Posted April 7, 2015 Share Posted April 7, 2015 You are cornered only feet away from evacuation, hardcore no shields, only 500hp left. One of every unit Grineer/Corpus/Infested standing between you and escape. Luckily you have a wall between you and the enemy. What CC/Defense ability do you use to get past without being shot to death? Rules - No Augments No Natural Talent No Weapons Assume you die in 1 bluet (unless you have a buff) and they have auto aim + hit scan weapons. Ash - Smoke Screen Banshee - Sonic Boom/Sound Quake (Will hit through walls) Chroma - Vex Armour/Effigy (as distraction) Ember - ?????????? Excalibur - ????????? Frost - Snow Globe Hydroid - Tempest Barrage/Tidal Surge Limbo - Rift Walk (GG 0 damage) Loki - Decoy/Invisibility/Radial Disarm Mirage - Eclipse/Prism Mag - Bullet Attractor/Crush Mesa - Shooting Gallery/Shatter Shield Nekros - Terrify/Shadows of the Dead Nyx - Mind Control/Chaos Nova - Worm Hole/Molecular Prime Oberon - Hallowed Ground/Reckoning Rhino - Iron Skin/Rhino Stomp Saryn - Molt Trinity - Link/Blessing Volt - Electric Shield Valkyr - Warcry/Paralysis Vauban - Bastille/Vortex Zephyr - Turbulence/tornado With all these frame's, without having to expose yourself to enemy fire you have the opportunity to apply some sort of defensive ability. However with the exception of two frames. Ember. All her cc requires LoS (Line of sight), Fire Blast will get you shot and killed during the casting animation. Excalibur. Radical Blind has returned to LoS again, you will get shot and killed during casting animation. For these two frames, while following the rules I have listed above, how can either of these frames have a chance to survive? Also which of the passed frames do you think would not be able to survive unless you had a lot of experience and timing? Eg. Saryn's Molt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Epicagemo Posted April 7, 2015 Share Posted April 7, 2015 (edited) Accelerant doesn't count? World on fire actually has an increased fire proc rate acting as CC. Edit: I'm looking at the auto aim hit scan portion... Doesn't that nullify Zephyr's turbulence? Edited April 7, 2015 by Epicagemo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blitzex Posted April 7, 2015 Share Posted April 7, 2015 Have a Shade sentinel cloak you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deshiel Posted April 7, 2015 Share Posted April 7, 2015 Dat radical blind. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArXinity Posted April 7, 2015 Share Posted April 7, 2015 (edited) Excalibur: super jump (invisible) + radial blind Edited April 7, 2015 by ArXinity Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hixlysss Posted April 7, 2015 Share Posted April 7, 2015 You forgot Valkyr's hysteria, best defense power in the game imo, right up with rift walk. I miss ember's overheat...the idea of her covered in a shell of fire so hot it vaporizes most shots before they get close is a great idea. Excalibur...could use something. Part of me want's to say his ultimate should be changed, or he should get super jump replaced. The idea of Excal having some power where he summons swords around him, kinda like his ultimate, and using them to block/reflect shots back at enemies would be awesome. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluntpuffer Posted April 7, 2015 Share Posted April 7, 2015 Is this an idea for an event or something? Or are you trying to stir things up in the community? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
armedpoop Posted April 7, 2015 Share Posted April 7, 2015 If Tidal Surge is defensive, then so is Slash Dash. Both are invincible during cast, and both are reliant on duration for range. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Husla Posted April 7, 2015 Share Posted April 7, 2015 Wouldn't Loki still die since enemies would shoot at last visible spot? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Djangofett Posted April 7, 2015 Share Posted April 7, 2015 If you are ' surrounded ' by enemies I think Radial Blind should work :P Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AkerTheSpjot Posted April 7, 2015 Share Posted April 7, 2015 Tempest Barrage is not that reliable to be honest, and the cast animation is just too long without Natural Talent. And yeah, Effigy as a decoy doesn't work that well, but the radial stun plus speed boost for Chroma works wonders, and if a single bullet kills you then there's no point in Vex armor, just want to point that out :P Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pythadragon Posted April 7, 2015 Share Posted April 7, 2015 (edited) Excal also has invincibility during his slash dash (can increase duration, too), and his super jump both stuns and provides invisibility for 10 energy. Radial blind does still work, and enemies that survive radial javelin are staggered. reference for invincible slash dash: http://warframe.wikia.com/wiki/Slash_Dash Excalibur's health is immune to damage while dashing.This actually is a thing. It finally got patched out of pvp recently. For Ember, Fire blast augment can be used to force a panic proc in close range. Admittedly this isn't as useful as many other abilities. This upcoming augment should hopefully help that (adds knockdown to world on fire) https://warframe.com/news/spy-expansion Edited April 7, 2015 by Pythadragon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AkerTheSpjot Posted April 7, 2015 Share Posted April 7, 2015 (edited) Double post, ignore this one Edited April 7, 2015 by The_Vile_Blade Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kuestenjung Posted April 7, 2015 Share Posted April 7, 2015 (edited) You are cornered only feet away from evacuation, hardcore no shields, only 500hp left. One of every unit Grineer/Corpus/Infested standing between you and escape. Luckily you have a wall between you and the enemy. What CC/Defense ability do you use to get past without being shot to death? Rules - No Augments No Natural Talent No Weapons Assume you die in 1 bluet (unless you have a buff) and they have auto aim + hit scan weapons. Banshee - Sonic Boom/Sound Quake (Will hit through walls) Volt - Electric Shield Ember. All her cc requires LoS (Line of sight), Fire Blast will get you shot and killed during the casting animation. How will you walk to the extraction while soundquake is active? Same for Volt´s shields, they are stationary, you won´t get to the extraction in your scenario. As Ember I would use accelerant and pass all my enemies. Rules - No Augments For Ember, Fire blast augment can be used to force a panic proc in close range. Admittedly this isn't as useful as many other abilities. Edited April 7, 2015 by Kuestenjung Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frawg Posted April 7, 2015 Share Posted April 7, 2015 Ash: Bladestorm grants invulnerability during entire sequence. Teleport teleports! Banshee: Silence has a stun (and it's main intention of stealth) Loki: Switch Teleport teleports! Mirage: HoM causes distraction Nyx: Absorb's knockdown (not to mention the damage) Saryn: I believe Miasma has a stun (Duration on Saryn is not a bad idea folks!) Trinity: stunlocks from WoL+EV (Works well with Link!) Volt: I believe Overload stuns like Mag's Crush Valkyr: Hysteria: Being invulnerable before Limbo made it cool. Excalibur: Super Jump's cloaking+Radial Blind. (Believe it or not, folks, but LoS on the Radial's isn't all that bad.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xFrostKnightx Posted April 7, 2015 Author Share Posted April 7, 2015 Is this an idea for an event or something? Or are you trying to stir things up in the community? I merely want to see which frame has the most creative methods of survival, which is when I ran into the fact Ember and Excal seem to have problems with survival in their kit. Excal also has invincibility during his slash dash (can increase duration, too), and his super jump both stuns and provides invisibility for 10 energy. Radial blind does still work, and enemies that survive radial javelin are staggered. reference for invincible slash dash: http://warframe.wikia.com/wiki/Slash_Dash Excalibur's health is immune to damage while dashing.This actually is a thing. It finally got patched out of pvp recently. For Ember, Fire blast augment can be used to force a panic proc in close range. Admittedly this isn't as useful as many other abilities. This upcoming augment should hopefully help that (adds knockdown to world on fire) https://warframe.com/news/spy-expansion Yeah, while I was searching through a frame to play for fun (survivability but not too much to remove the challenge) I might have missed the invulnerable part. Also WoF hit's 3 at a time with a chance to proc, it's not effectivily the go to frame if im cornered. Ps: No Aug because I don't want to be forced to include it in a build just to make a skill more useful for survival. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S7ORM Posted April 7, 2015 Share Posted April 7, 2015 Assume you die in 1 bluet (unless you have a buff) and they have auto aim + hit scan weapons. Chroma - Vex Armour/Effigy (as distraction) Saryn - Molt Zephyr - Turbulence Volt - Electric shield Since there are Grineer there, Turbulence isn't going to do much good. If you die in one bullet, Molt and Vex Armour are useless. Electric shield won't cover you from all sides, and won't really cover you when you're running. Also, your best option is probably the shade or huras you brought. That, or coptering, since coptering makes enemies have low accuracy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soup2504 Posted April 7, 2015 Share Posted April 7, 2015 Ember: accelerant I have a build specifically built around accellerant spam (still use other abilities too but main focus is accellerant cc) because it's good, spammable cc. I'm pretty sure it doesn't require LoS either. Unless they changed that within the past few hotfixes (haven't used ember for a few weeks) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gelkor Posted April 7, 2015 Share Posted April 7, 2015 I'm feet away from extraction? I coptor to it at high speed, any frame. Done. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KiteoHatto Posted April 7, 2015 Share Posted April 7, 2015 I feel like this is a "excalibur is nerfed!1!" thread for some reason, i don't know. Im just amazed that you are comparing excalibur to ember at this point.... For your situation, ember wouldn't even get that far when enemies will 1 shot you in solo....so there goes your whole "situation". And to answer your question, i wouldn't get into that situation in the first place. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lordmotav Posted April 7, 2015 Share Posted April 7, 2015 (edited) Go melee stance and block. Or slide attack through. Or just run through, since youre steps away from the end. Or just kill the enemies since theyre made out of paper mache in the first place, the best defense is a good offense. An enemy cant kill you if its dead. Also, what enemy does 500 damage to you in one shot when you have no shields? How would half the defensive abilities in the game protect you from getting shot one time? You also have teammates to come pick up your worthless hide, doing it solo would just be your own stupid fault. Heck if you die you can just pop a revive that you never end up using that you get 4 of a day anyways. Last tidbit: and no weapons? Yeah... like that'll ever happen. Your scenario is so unrealistic and wont ever happen, which is why those frames dont need a defensive ability nor does LOS really put them in a bad place. TLDR: OP you stupid Edited April 7, 2015 by Lordmotav Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oriviagene Posted April 7, 2015 Share Posted April 7, 2015 I wonder why DE can't just change radial blind and javelin into something else that doesn't have LoS on it but capable to CC greatly? Just like how they changed overheat into accelerant Does they afraid they have to redo every single excal videos they made? :| Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CatPhoenix Posted April 7, 2015 Share Posted April 7, 2015 Ember, use her #4, while behind the wall, and walk into line of sight, they will take damage. Done. Excalibur, (jump and) slide and hit #2. 75% of the animation would be gone while behind the wall, leaving only a small window for them to be blinded. Not to also mention, #3 has a clocking shield, so if this is outdoors or in a high ceiling room, they would never see him if you do it right. I fail to see an issue here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryjeon Posted April 7, 2015 Share Posted April 7, 2015 Accelerant and WoF are not based on LOS. I don't have any issues using them to mitigate the pressure of groups enemies up to level 100. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pimehlkof Posted April 7, 2015 Share Posted April 7, 2015 Didnt read everything but: Excal: superjump+ dash/ copter ( u are cloaled as long as u are in the air Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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