Sir.X Posted October 8, 2015 Share Posted October 8, 2015 Actually I just noticed you have to buy 2 of the PA packs just to get the full kubrow experience. However, I don't think getting super hostile over it is the right way to make DE fix it. Do people believe that DE is not going to do anything about it? For nearly everything that was wrong with Warframe DE has fixed it. I just want people to show some form of respect over this, and for this to be discussed in a more human way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(XBOX)Shodian Posted October 8, 2015 Share Posted October 8, 2015 Same here, but sadly it's the internet so can't really ask for that. lol It's still on the table with DE but things as you said were getting rather hostle. Just give it a little time and let's see what happens Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MagPrime Posted October 8, 2015 Share Posted October 8, 2015 Many have discussed this in a reasonable and calm manner. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AM-Bunny Posted October 8, 2015 Share Posted October 8, 2015 They're not going to do anything about it. They won't make the Gene Masking Kit unlock with the collar. Main reason? The FAQ was updated to specifically cite the Gene Masking kit as being exclusive. Many people that have bought that package did so under the assumption that it was exclusive. If they turn around and make it available in-game later, that's false advertising to everyone that's bought the pack. A refund isn't really an option either, since I'm sure some players have spent some of the plat, etc. For similar reasons, they won't shift the Gene Masking Kit to Prime Accessories. It's a done deal, people have spent money on it, DE has delivered what they promised for that money. The best we can hope for now is that this won't happen again, moving forward. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-Sandman Posted October 8, 2015 Share Posted October 8, 2015 (edited) So why not leave the valid posts and delete the "hostile" ones? Or would the issue be best left under the carpet until we can get a bandaid or its forgotten? edit: Starting to feel like I'm in North Korea. Is there somewhere else we can discuss these matters freely? Edited October 8, 2015 by SandmanTT Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-Ropefish- Posted October 8, 2015 Share Posted October 8, 2015 (edited) i can see why people are upset, but.... its a skin....? and if DE does the same with a full sentinel or something then yes there is a point but... i feel like now-a-days everyone is just going out of their way to find big issues outta small ones, i mean it always happens. every update/PA/anything people lose their S#&$. and if they haven't when de states something they do.... and also its a game, you don't have to buy the PA, you don't have to have the skin, it doesn't do anything to the game-play. Edited October 8, 2015 by Reedfish Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OriVerda Posted October 8, 2015 Share Posted October 8, 2015 People keep mentioning buying two PA packs, so what, buying Blessing doesn't get you everything or did I misunderstand? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cleesus Posted October 8, 2015 Share Posted October 8, 2015 They're not going to do anything about it. I believe they are currently discussing what they are going to do about it per danielles lock message. People keep mentioning buying two PA packs, so what, buying Blessing doesn't get you everything or did I misunderstand? The top tier pack gives you everything like always Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flareux Posted October 8, 2015 Share Posted October 8, 2015 Blessing gives everything (bought it myself) People should calm down, you can't get everything every time and it wont be changed because then they have cheated us that bought the blessing pack. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(PSN)Onyxflamegod Posted October 8, 2015 Share Posted October 8, 2015 People keep mentioning buying two PA packs, so what, buying Blessing doesn't get you everything or did I misunderstand? It's more that people who want just the accessories can't JUST buy the accessories, they HAVE to buy everything. Which completely trivialized the entire point of the accessories pack, and comes off as a desperate money grab at the same time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-Sandman Posted October 8, 2015 Share Posted October 8, 2015 It's more that people who want just the accessories can't JUST buy the accessories, they HAVE to buy everything. Which completely trivialized the entire point of the accessories pack, and comes off as a desperate money grab at the same time. So why not include all the accessories in the accessory pack and sell it for like $70 ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LascarCapable Posted October 8, 2015 Share Posted October 8, 2015 However, I don't think getting super hostile over it is the right way to make DE fix it. Thank you ! :) See guys ? Being agressive does not solve anything. It just spreads crap all over the place, and does not even give the dev team the fell to change anything. They're humans like us, y'know ? With feelings, things like that. So let's just all calm down, have a constructive conversation, and wait for the final word to be passed. No need to slam our heads on the nearest wall : everything is "fine"... Sort of... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-Sandman Posted October 8, 2015 Share Posted October 8, 2015 I see more acrimony than hostility to be quite honest. I did see some incitement being created in an otherwise calm discussion which was not addressed however. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cynaris Posted October 8, 2015 Share Posted October 8, 2015 Thank you ! :) See guys ? Being agressive does not solve anything. It just spreads crap all over the place, and does not even give the dev team the fell to change anything. They're humans like us, y'know ? With feelings, things like that. So let's just all calm down, have a constructive conversation, and wait for the final word to be passed. No need to slam our heads on the nearest wall : everything is "fine"... Sort of... Yes, we see it, and save for a few people, most of us talked reasonably about this. But sitting on our butt and waiting for the hurt wash away will not urge anyone to make things right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-Ropefish- Posted October 8, 2015 Share Posted October 8, 2015 also another point is its like going to a person and giving your critic so they start to fix it, but you keep repeating it over and over as they try to decide what to do and not giving them time..... but eh.... im usual just a lurker ;P Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OniDax Posted October 8, 2015 Share Posted October 8, 2015 People keep mentioning buying two PA packs, so what, buying Blessing doesn't get you everything or did I misunderstand? You do realize the highest pack costs more than buying Accessories + Well of Life, right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(PSN)SancticuS Posted October 8, 2015 Share Posted October 8, 2015 Starting to feel like I'm in North Korea. Is there somewhere else we can discuss these matters freely? https://www.reddit.com/r/Warframe/comments/3nzchl/des_response_to_the_prime_access_controversy/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ziegrif Posted October 8, 2015 Share Posted October 8, 2015 Not buying it and giving constructive feedback is the way to protest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pandoran_Stallion Posted October 8, 2015 Share Posted October 8, 2015 (edited) Yes, we see it, and save for a few people, most of us talked reasonably about this. But sitting on our butt and waiting for the hurt wash away will not urge anyone to make things right. We're not waiting. We discuss, we debate, and sure, we argue. The point is to keep it civil. DE has legal hoops to jump through, I'm sure (due to the masking kit being sold as part of PA already) and they'd have to write and deploy a script or hotfix to change anything. Discussion takes a while, and fixes and deployment take longer still. DE has been faster about this in the past, but that was before U12 when the player population was small and there wasn't as much content. As time goes on response times get longer in the dev cycle. I myself am not too invested in this, but I still believe DE needs to fix the issue with the masking kit as it defeats the purpose of the Accessories. I also agree with the opinion that the collar isn't worth much and either needs more buffs or serious changes. However, we can keep it civil. We need to exercise restraint. If we yell and scream like children, of course DE will hear, and they will listen, but they will do it grudgingly, knowing full well they'll probably get more backlash from another angry population. By keeping it civil, we let DE join the discussion, not just as devs, but as members of the community, much like they used to be before the toxicity of the community rose with the population. It allows them to make changes freely, to determine general consensus without wading through pages of rage, and most of all, it lets us, including DE, express opinions without dealing with the anger of a crowd. You can say I'm too optimistic, sure, but that's how the community was before, and I'm sure that somewhere within the anger and ranting that is the forums, that community still exists. Edited October 8, 2015 by UpgradeInProgress Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OniDax Posted October 8, 2015 Share Posted October 8, 2015 Not buying it and giving constructive feedback is the way to protest. Don't say things like that. Mods just locked some threads talking about doing that, saying that it's "not respectful." They might start issuing warnings and suspensions for saying that. It's funny, though, because they're essentially saying that not giving them money is disrespectful, but don't consider their handling of PA and their staff members' responses to the community to be disrespectful. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-Sandman Posted October 8, 2015 Share Posted October 8, 2015 https://www.reddit.com/r/Warframe/comments/3nzchl/des_response_to_the_prime_access_controversy/ gracias Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unknow99 Posted October 8, 2015 Share Posted October 8, 2015 (edited) Thank you ! :) See guys ? Being agressive does not solve anything. It just spreads crap all over the place, and does not even give the dev team the fell to change anything. They're humans like us, y'know ? With feelings, things like that. So let's just all calm down, have a constructive conversation, and wait for the final word to be passed. No need to slam our heads on the nearest wall : everything is "fine"... Sort of... Yeah! EVERYONE,JUST CHILL! STOP FREAKING OUT!!! >:( The first guy I see who's acting aggressive will get conclaved to death!!! Edited October 8, 2015 by unknow99 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deadoon Posted October 8, 2015 Share Posted October 8, 2015 The thread being locked just will make the situation worse, as it will cause the anger to be spread to communities outside of the control of DE. Those communities will come here again and spread the word in game making it even worse Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-Sandman Posted October 8, 2015 Share Posted October 8, 2015 The thread being locked just will make the situation worse, as it will cause the anger to be spread to communities outside of the control of DE. Those communities will come here again and spread the word in game making it even worse Yeah I've been saying this over and over again. Its a very touchy subject, handling by the book will serve to reduce interest and in turn, sales. These matters need to be handled a little more out of the box. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deadoon Posted October 8, 2015 Share Posted October 8, 2015 Wait, S#&$storm is already in progress, moderators are conflicting eachothers actions. https://forums.warframe.com/index.php?/topic/541623-did-i-just-get-silenced/#entry6083417 https://forums.warframe.com/index.php?/topic/541624-did-forum-mod-just-flat-out-delete-a-well-thought-out-criticism-thread/#entry6083435 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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