AbhijitSM Posted July 20, 2016 Share Posted July 20, 2016 I just got scammed in a trade where a user offered to buy a loki set from me at 274 plat. Just before i could click accept he changed it to 27 plat & i couldnt do anything about it as i was just about to click the accept button & i couldnt retract just in time. DE though there is a red message warning just in between the two trading channels about offer being changed can something be done about this ? I mean you could add a dialogue box when you click accept warning you that "the offer is changed" or give us a message about the exact items we are exchanging? For example > "You are about to exchange loki prime for xx number of plat do you want to accept the trade ? " You know something like that ? This is the 2nd time i got scammed. Earlier a user scammed me where i was buying a unranked prime flow for 50 plat & he changed it to blank just before i could accept. This is not a rant thread. I am not going to put a support ticket as i dont mind the loki set i lost or the 50 plat i got scammed with. I have enough resources in plat & loki sets. But imagine poor players who have just started playing this game & getting scammed like this. Surely DE could care about such players in general & prevent such scams by adding a little bit stringent trading terms when exchanging. Thanks & regards Abhijit Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NovusNova Posted July 20, 2016 Share Posted July 20, 2016 If I remember correctly, don't you have to re-accept the trade if something changes in the trading UI? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LordOfScrugging Posted July 20, 2016 Share Posted July 20, 2016 that shouldn't be possible since whenever you click ready and change an object you need to click ready again. that's 2 clicks you have to do Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kai_Shiba Posted July 20, 2016 Share Posted July 20, 2016 Scams are avoidable Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
XRosenkreuz Posted July 20, 2016 Share Posted July 20, 2016 Just now, NovusNova said: If I remember correctly, don't you have to re-accept the trade if something changes in the trading UI? You absolutely do, but threads like this seem to pop up somewhat regularly. Lag futzing it up, maybe? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghogiel Posted July 20, 2016 Share Posted July 20, 2016 Just now, NovusNova said: If I remember correctly, don't you have to re-accept the trade if something changes in the trading UI? Correct. You have to click 2 different things before a trade goes through. That is done specifically to stop this sort of thing. So if the other player changed the items, it'll unselect the "check when ready to trade" check box. So I have no idea how OP managed to check that and then click accept trade without noticing. Unless this is some new bug. :shrug: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crafturtoemc Posted July 20, 2016 Share Posted July 20, 2016 Report him, but please remember you are also at fault because you are too excited to get the platinum and spammed the "ready" button I assume? Take it slowly next time :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tastic Posted July 20, 2016 Share Posted July 20, 2016 1. Always screenshot any chat if trading with someone, then if they try what that guy did you can report them and get the bp's back as you have proof they agreed to a price 2. but you accepted the trade, click once and once only, if lagging during trading you can make mistakes and miss the new accept, better to take time than to get the quick sale Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kippen.power Posted July 20, 2016 Share Posted July 20, 2016 (edited) You cannot blame DE for the mistake you made yourself. when someone changes the item you have to reaccept the trade and even when you accept the trade you have to actually click trade to trade the item. so you should have double checked Best thing you can do now is report him. Edited July 20, 2016 by kippen.power Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shafilp Posted July 20, 2016 Share Posted July 20, 2016 Similar to this one then https://www.reddit.com/r/Warframe/comments/4qt3tq/psabug_it_may_be_possible_for_scammers_to_bypass/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rioma Posted July 20, 2016 Share Posted July 20, 2016 when one player changes something in the trade menu you do have to accept again. Also as soon as you enter trade chat for the first time when logging on there is a message from the Devs saying they are not responsible for any trade promises you make. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshall Posted July 20, 2016 Share Posted July 20, 2016 @NovusNova In defence of @AbhijitSM I must point out that trading is not very reliable! Sometimes trades get performed without the consent of both parties. This happened to me as well when I joined a host with high ping. I did not hit Accept Trade, yet my items got transferred... Trading has always been wonky. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AbhijitSM Posted July 20, 2016 Author Share Posted July 20, 2016 38 minutes ago, NovusNova said: If I remember correctly, don't you have to re-accept the trade if something changes in the trading UI? Not sure. You just have to click the accept button ? Thats what happened i think. When i was about to click accept he changed it to 27 plat & as i was ready to click accept i clicked it at that precise moment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AbhijitSM Posted July 20, 2016 Author Share Posted July 20, 2016 30 minutes ago, kippen.power said: You cannot blame DE for the mistake you made yourself. when someone changes the item you have to reaccept the trade and even when you accept the trade you have to actually click trade to trade the item. so you should have double checked Best thing you can do now is report him. If you read my thread properly i am not at all blaming DE. JUst suggesting if they could add more stringent measures in place which these scamsters cannot take advantage of. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manyc Posted July 20, 2016 Share Posted July 20, 2016 (edited) 6 minutes ago, AbhijitSM said: If you read my thread properly i am not at all blaming DE. JUst suggesting if they could add more stringent measures in place which these scamsters cannot take advantage of. DE already places a 2 stage accept. You have to accept the deal (1st click) and then actually press Trade (2nd click). edit: If anything is changed in the deal between the 1st and 2nd clicks, the 1st click (accept) is removed, so you have to do it again from start. 1st > 2nd What else do you want them to do? Make it a 3~4 step trade? Jam in your face the already big interface? Also, the other scam you mentioned, blank? You mean the mod Point Blank? Because I'm pretty sure, last time I checked, you can't trade for nothing so it couldn't be a blank as in nothing. Edited July 20, 2016 by Manyc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crafturtoemc Posted July 20, 2016 Share Posted July 20, 2016 4 minutes ago, AbhijitSM said: If you read my thread properly i am not at all blaming DE. JUst suggesting if they could add more stringent measures in place which these scamsters cannot take advantage of. How about a timer? After both party pressed on the 1st accept button, the 2nd Accept button will be grayed out until the countdown has ended? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
[DE]Momaw Posted July 20, 2016 Share Posted July 20, 2016 I could maybe see a 3-second lockout on the second accept stage. Like you both put your things on the table and click "Ready to trade". Then it shows both sides of the offer, nobody can change anything, and there is a forced 3 second timer before the final commit button becomes available. Beyond that...I'm not sure how much further measures are necessary. It's not really the game's fault if a player fails to notice last second changes to the trade offer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FAZZWARFRAME Posted July 20, 2016 Share Posted July 20, 2016 the accept button only resets when there is a change in the offering AND you've already clicked accept. Scenario 1: they put down 274 plat -> accept button shows up on your side -> you click accept -> they change to 27 plat -> your accept button resets and you need to click again Scenario 2: they put down 274 plat -> accept button shows up on your side but you didn't click on it yet -> they change to 27 plat -> nothing happens to the accept button since it is still waiting to be clicked. In scenario 2, if you are just about to click on the accept but only split seconds later than they change it to 27, you will be accepting on 27 not 274. I guess the safer way is to wait for the other side to accept first before you do, to avoid flip flops. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(PSN)Magician_NG Posted July 20, 2016 Share Posted July 20, 2016 (edited) The buyer probably switched the plat amount while the OP was picking Loki parts, it's easy to miss if you aren't paying attention. The system we have isn't foolproof, but I also don't see how DE can improve it. It's a double-accept system. Do we really need a triple-accept system? Edited July 20, 2016 by (PS4)Magician_NG Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AbhijitSM Posted July 20, 2016 Author Share Posted July 20, 2016 4 minutes ago, FAZZWARFRAME said: the accept button only resets when there is a change in the offering AND you've already clicked accept. Scenario 1: they put down 274 plat -> accept button shows up on your side -> you click accept -> they change to 27 plat -> your accept button resets and you need to click again Scenario 2: they put down 274 plat -> accept button shows up on your side but you didn't click on it yet -> they change to 27 plat -> nothing happens to the accept button since it is still waiting to be clicked. In scenario 2, if you are just about to click on the accept but only split seconds later than they change it to 27, you will be accepting on 27 not 274. I guess the safer way is to wait for the other side to accept first before you do, to avoid flip flops. Yes i know the safer way is to stay a little hawkish and alert. But still when the offer is the same & not changed and you have the mouse cursor on the accept button there can be little time to react if it changes before you hit accept. As others are posting there are no 2 warnings after the offer is changed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoLife Posted July 20, 2016 Share Posted July 20, 2016 DE is not liable for you being scammed by another player. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AbhijitSM Posted July 20, 2016 Author Share Posted July 20, 2016 2 minutes ago, (PS4)Magician_NG said: The buyer probably switched the plat amount while the OP was picking Loki parts, it's easy to miss if you aren't playing attention. The system we have isn't foolproof, but I also don't see how DE can improve it. It's a double-accept system. Do we really need a triple-accept system? When you click accept there could be a dialogue box of the exact things being exchanged. Wouldn't that be beneficial as the items being exchanged are displayed right in front of you along with the click rather than being in a lower right or left corner ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JeyciKon Posted July 20, 2016 Share Posted July 20, 2016 9 minutes ago, FAZZWARFRAME said: the accept button only resets when there is a change in the offering AND you've already clicked accept. Scenario 1: they put down 274 plat -> accept button shows up on your side -> you click accept -> they change to 27 plat -> your accept button resets and you need to click again Scenario 2: they put down 274 plat -> accept button shows up on your side but you didn't click on it yet -> they change to 27 plat -> nothing happens to the accept button since it is still waiting to be clicked. In scenario 2, if you are just about to click on the accept but only split seconds later than they change it to 27, you will be accepting on 27 not 274. I guess the safer way is to wait for the other side to accept first before you do, to avoid flip flops. in the scenario 2 you still have to press the second accept.. if you dont do a double check on the second accept it is your fault. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1tsyB1tsyN1nj4 Posted July 20, 2016 Share Posted July 20, 2016 1 hour ago, NovusNova said: If I remember correctly, don't you have to re-accept the trade if something changes in the trading UI? ^ That ^ It should be impossible to be scammed when trading since that is a thing, it's only your fault if you aren't paying attention Nothing needs to be changed, people just have to start paying attention. I've never been scammed yet, mostly because I don't take all these lowball offers that people seem to be so fond of Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(PSN)WetPollito Posted July 20, 2016 Share Posted July 20, 2016 (edited) we should have a trade history list. probably it will help to report scam. Edited July 20, 2016 by (PS4)AleDiorio Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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