What's wrong with New Loka?

[(PSN)TertulSee]

What's wrong with New Loka,? I find nothing wrong with them.

[Mcl_Blue]

If the whole "purify humanity" deal doesn't raise an eyebrow, not sure what would.

[OkniolasPrime]

Oh, what's wrong with New Loka? Nothing? Good, would be a pity if I had to come and PURGE YOUR EXISTENCE, but that's just me. 

[BansheePrime]

Spoiler

On the bright side The Silver Grove shows they can adapt a bit.

 

Edited October 1, 2016 by maj.death

[BansheePrime]

-double-

Edited October 1, 2016 by maj.death
Quoted myself instead of edited *facedesk*

[Lyravain]

3 minutes ago, Mcl_BlueMadness said:

If the whole "purify humanity" deal doesn't raise an eyebrow, not sure what would.

Yes, because the other syndicates are so much better. Shall we talk about the obsessed economists? The kill-it-with-FIRE group? Oh, maybe the rebels without a cause. Oh, oh, I know, the arbiters who determine what the 'right' path is and will promptly execute you if you don't immidiately abide by whatever laws they've made -laws you never had any input or knowledge thereof. Not to mention the hypocrisy of 'Cephalon Suda' -for one so 'passionate' about preserving life, this cephalon rather consistently tries to kill whoever isn't its pal.

Frankly, all of the Syndicates are easily corruptible. Of them all, at least the New Loka are straightforward about it; they wish to return the world to what it was before the Orokin decided to play God with half a brain and messed everything up. And if you get in their way? At least they have a semblance of a noble cause behind them, even if it doesn't excuse everything.

[Doom_Bunny]

Red veil hates everyone equally. New loka specifically loathes anything orokin (which is basically everything at this point) but maintains this facade of self righteousness.

[(PSN)george6741]

At least they aren't torturing anyone like the Red Veil is to the Grineer in the relay.

[kasalaba]

3 minutes ago, (PS4)george6741 said:

At least they aren't torturing anyone like the Red Veil is to the Grineer in the relay.

Yes, they are purifying them. We all know how the crusades went.

[FrackingBiscuit]

17 minutes ago, Lyravain said:

Oh, maybe the rebels without a cause.

Steel Meridian is pretty consistently against Grineer tyranny and fighting for oppressed people (human or otherwise), and I don't think there's anything that yet goes against that.

[Lyravain]

Just now, FrackingBiscuit said:

Steel Meridian is pretty consistently against Grineer tyranny and fighting for oppressed people (human or otherwise), and I don't think there's anything that yet goes against that.

And what after they run out of Grineer? Their entire alliance is centered around 'kill X', so what after X is dead? Do you honestly think a bunch of mercenaries with a vengeance that came together just to kill a bunch of other mercenaries will go away quietly and disarm themselves? Killing Grineer isn't the reason -it's the excuse.

[AdunSaveMe]

22 minutes ago, Lyravain said:

Yes, because the other syndicates are so much better. Shall we talk about the obsessed economists? The kill-it-with-FIRE group? Oh, maybe the rebels without a cause. Oh, oh, I know, the arbiters who determine what the 'right' path is and will promptly execute you if you don't immidiately abide by whatever laws they've made -laws you never had any input or knowledge thereof. Not to mention the hypocrisy of 'Cephalon Suda' -for one so 'passionate' about preserving life, this cephalon rather consistently tries to kill whoever isn't its pal.

The economists are decent enough folks, their belief is that peace can be achieved through bizniss. Red Veil is just a bunch of sods. Steel Meridian has a cause, and that cause is fighting grineer oppression, which is a big step to take if you're an ex-grineer oppressor. Arbiters only believe that the tenno have a potential beyond being warriors, that's their entire deal. Suda does it all for science or something, and she dislikes killing, but she understands the necessity of it.

None of them are as bad as 'humanity purists', who are also huge hypocrites and don't get anything done. Their alignments don't make any sense, their logic of "the conflict ends when Earth and humanity are back again" is completely baseless and illogical, as is their use of ancient death squads and specters. They talk of cleansing but their attitude of "burn the impure" is just Red Veil without a purpose. Plus there's the obvious Hitler comparison.

[Slaviar]

They are green terrorists. That's what wrong with them. Plus they don't like Steel Meridian. There's something wrong with everyone who dislike Steel Meridian

[NoXHeart]

3 minutes ago, Lyravain said:

And what after they run out of Grineer? Their entire alliance is centered around 'kill X', so what after X is dead? Do you honestly think a bunch of mercenaries with a vengeance that came together just to kill a bunch of other mercenaries will go away quietly and disarm themselves? Killing Grineer isn't the reason -it's the excuse.

They're not out to kill grineer, they're out to defend the weak and innocent, so long as people need protecting the steel meridian will be around.

 

They're not a pack of bloodthirsty wolves saving people as an excuse to kill, they're dogmatic defenders.

[DatDarkOne]

What's wrong with New Loka you ask. It's how evil their hit squad is should you be on their bad side. Of all the syndicate assassin squads theirs is probably the most annoying/hard/efficient at killing you.

Other than that, what the others have said above. :D

[(PSN)Killerworld]

Bioshock 2's Sophia lamb, has her persona and shares some ideals, although loyal to her ways quickly goes salty and rejects, later accepts the truth. Wonder if syndicate bios will change after each related quest that gives revelation or turmoil. Others see New Loka leader as a lotus of pro-human and most likely shuns good grineer due to their cloned genetics[she'll feel intolerance to Clem]. Has weaponry that are very good but not the type that most love. Usually sounds like a religious or cheerleader that wants desperate help in mission transmissions. Hypocritical to employ Tenno but the way a Tenno is would make her call us "some orokin filth"

Edited October 1, 2016 by (PS4)Killerworld

[Dromeos-Prime]

New Loka reminds of a less grim-dark, 40,000 years younger predecessor of these guys:

 

 

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Edited October 1, 2016 by reptillicus

[NinjaKitsune56]

7 minutes ago, DatDarkOne said:

What's wrong with New Loka you ask. It's how evil their hit squad is should you be on their bad side. Of all the syndicate assassin squads theirs is probably the most annoying/hard/efficient at killing you.

Other than that, what the others have said above. :D

A quick Irradiating Disarm or Chaos can turn their killteams into a riot in short order... then just back up and pop a few dozen shots off the Kulstar. True, Irradiating Disarm can't disarm melee, but it will knockdown or stagger some and deal damage, in addition to the radiation proc leaving them open to elimination... Pretty sure they cheated and used Healers, which is why it's usually ridonkulously hard to kill them. A quick rad-proc'll change that fast.

[spacerocks]

51 minutes ago, Lyravain said:

Not to mention the hypocrisy of 'Cephalon Suda' -for one so 'passionate' about preserving life, this cephalon rather consistently tries to kill whoever isn't its pal.

Your mixing up Cephalon Simaris and Suda, Simaris is the one who wants to "preserve" life within the sanctuary. Suda just cares about knowledge

[Slaviar]

17 minutes ago, AdunSaveMe said:

None of them are as bad as 'humanity purists', who are also huge hypocrites and don't get anything done. Their alignments don't make any sense, their logic of "the conflict ends when Earth and humanity are back again" is completely baseless and illogical, as is their use of ancient death squads and specters. They talk of cleansing but their attitude of "burn the impure" is just Red Veil without a purpose. Plus there's the obvious Hitler comparison.

Their "purity" obsession is not about race, it's about genetic tampering. And their hostility towards Cephalon Suda indicates they are also heavily technophobic. Looks more like eco terrorists to me. Plus I wouldn't mix death squads/spectres into it. They feel more like two years old placeholder.

Syndicate I distrust most is Perrin Sequence. They are still Corpus. They may see numbers differently and think peace is better for business but they remain servants of Profit.

Apart from Steel Meridian motives of other syndicates remain mystery. Red Veil appears to be fanatics ready to drown entire system in blood. But would Steel Meridian, faction devoted to protection of innocent, ally with such people? 

About Suda and Arbiters we know next to nothing.

Oh, and...

/s

[Dwolfknight]

30 minutes ago, Slaviar said:

They are green terrorists. That's what wrong with them. Plus they don't like Steel Meridian. There's something wrong with everyone who dislike Steel Meridian

They dislike SM because they are constituted by a bunch of clones, in other words "impure lifeforms"

[Slaviar]

7 minutes ago, Dwolfknight said:

They dislike SM because they are constituted by a bunch of clones, in other words "impure lifeforms"

Why every joke on the internet must end with /s ?

Edited October 1, 2016 by Slaviar

[bl4ckhunter]

They employ infested ancients to do their bidding, given how alad V ended up doing just that i'd say that's bad enough on it's own, warframe lore is ful of people that thought they could "control" the infested and everyone ends up badly 

Edited October 1, 2016 by bl4ckhunter

[NyxCrab]

What's wrong with New Loka?

Their death squad.

[Lyravain]

48 minutes ago, AdunSaveMe said:

The economists are decent enough folks, their belief is that peace can be achieved through bizniss. Red Veil is just a bunch of sods. Steel Meridian has a cause, and that cause is fighting grineer oppression, which is a big step to take if you're an ex-grineer oppressor. Arbiters only believe that the tenno have a potential beyond being warriors, that's their entire deal. Suda does it all for science or something, and she dislikes killing, but she understands the necessity of it.

None of them are as bad as 'humanity purists', who are also huge hypocrites and don't get anything done. Their alignments don't make any sense, their logic of "the conflict ends when Earth and humanity are back again" is completely baseless and illogical, as is their use of ancient death squads and specters. They talk of cleansing but their attitude of "burn the impure" is just Red Veil without a purpose. Plus there's the obvious Hitler comparison.

The point is; everyone's corruptible. Fun fact, Yakuza also started out as a group of people trying to protect the poor from organized crime. Guess where they ended up. Depending on viewpoint, Steel Meridian can be go from 'Paladins fighting for a free world' to 'overzealous SJWs looking for an excuse to gun down whatever isn't "innocent" by their standards'. For believing the Tenno have a potential beyond warriors, the Arbiters sure send them on a lot of warrior stuff and they are rather forceful upon setting them back onto the 'right path', aren't they? As for Suda; where did you hear that she cares for science? We know nothing of her or her motives, except that she recruits Tenno to her cause.

The New Loka are getting things done and are no more hypocritical than the others -in fact, they are quite less shy about expressing their hatred of things. They hate the Orokin genetic tampering and want it gone. Again, the point is; they are all corrupt and easily fall to 'evil' and destruction. Point is, who is the least monstrous of them all? The armed hippies, or, say the "we're not militant, but if you don't follow our rules you'll have to talk to our squads of trained soldiers".

25 minutes ago, spacerocks said:

Your mixing up Cephalon Simaris and Suda, Simaris is the one who wants to "preserve" life within the sanctuary. Suda just cares about knowledge

Sure. She's just an emotionless eye that observes everything, plays her pawns and 'abhors destruction'. Kinda reminds me of scientists vivisecting mice, really. Not very comforting.

47 minutes ago, NoXHeart said:

They're not out to kill grineer, they're out to defend the weak and innocent, so long as people need protecting the steel meridian will be around.

 

They're not a pack of bloodthirsty wolves saving people as an excuse to kill, they're dogmatic defenders.

It's two sides of the same coin. One side; they're heroes fighting a war they cannot possibly win, but don't give up either. On the other side, what exactly stops them from enforcing their rule once the Grineer are gone? The existence of the Grineer is what keeps them in the straight and narrow, but a militant group is a militant group, so how long will they stay on the defensive?

 

TL;DR and to cut out any possible flaming (not that this is where it's heading, but you never know); I'm good with 4 of the 6 Syndicates. Which ones they are... don't matter. But you can agree with someone on some points, while disagreeing with other points. It's the nature of life. And the point that I was initially trying to make; they are all corruptible and susceptible to turning into monsters just as bad as the Grineer or Corpus -if not worse. The point is, how wide is the line that divides heroes from monsters? When does an action stop being in defence of something and turns into offence of something else?

Preaching is all nice and good, but if we're gonna be realistic with game syndicates, it all depends on interpretation. New Loka seeks 'purity' whatever that is. Red Veil seeks to purge the cancer that infects the system. The Perrin Sequence believe they know better than everyone else and that wealth brings prosperity and happiness. Suda would sooner vivisect you than examine an ancient relic. Arbiters of Hexis define a 'path' that everyone must walk, or else. Steel Meridian is led by a self-professed traitor. Make of those what you will.

 

EDIT: My TL;DR ended up actually being longer... *facepalm*

Edited October 1, 2016 by Lyravain

[WrathAscending]

1 hour ago, (PS4)godlysparta said:

What's wrong with New Loka,? I find nothing wrong with them.

It's pretty much a meme.

Look at the state of the Origin system. Earth has fallen to bio-engineered plagues and plants. The System is caught between a clone empire bent on domination and a race of cyborgs, with the conflict spilling over and harming bystanders even when they aren't being deliberately targeted by the Grineer or Corpus. The Infestation has repeatedly broken containment and threatens everything.

Wanting humanity to reclaim Earth,  abandon the degenerative cloning techniques and cybernetics, and defeat the infestation is hardly a surprising reaction to all of that.

Comparing New Loka's rhetoric to that of various real-life ideologies elides the context completely. But even making the error of conflating the two, New Loka is still no worse than several other Syndicates, most notably the ever-popular Red Veil.

In a lot of ways it would make more sense for Suda and Perrin to be allied while New Loka and Steel Meridian worked together.