can new Tennos be made?

[Goodwill]

Yes they can by signing up here: https://www.warframe.com/signup

 

[NocheLuz]

2 hours ago, NeithanDiniem said:

Wrong. Sylvana made the non prime titania, so the non prime frames are Archimedian made.

As far as I know. Titania in the lore can also be Prime version. Then we scrap a data out and re-created it as normal version (like how Limbo does). The Inaros in the lore can also be Prime version where we use remaining data to build him up again. Most Warframe in the quest frames we assume that they are normal version. But they can be Prime version where we can only scrap a little bit of data from them and re-created the rest.

Most Warframes in the quest, however... Hostile toward Orokin. They can be ogirinally made by Tenno. Or made by Orokin then the Tenno use them to rebel against the Orokin. But most likely it's Prime Warframe where the Tenno don't even have time to recreated their blueprint. So, it is unlikely that quest frames were originally made by Tenno. Or like you've said, it can be Archimedian or other faction secrectly made them. But why would they do that? It's not like they can use one without the help of Tenno. Lotus did said that she 'Knew' all the Tenno. So, she should have data on all the Prime Warframes and whereabout of it's last sighted. But you know... Lotus have a lot secrets (lol).

[NeithanDiniem]

2 hours ago, Ferah_Frithu said:

That may be the case for some quest frames, but all the others are most likely Tenno-made, in the same way that our non-prime (and non-Corpus/non-Grineer) weaponry is Tenno-made.

Except there is nothing to support that. The only frames that are remotely close are the dojo tenno lab frames, and even then it is based on Orokin design.

[NeithanDiniem]

23 minutes ago, NocheLuz said:

As far as I know. Titania in the lore can also be Prime version. Then we scrap a data out and re-created it as normal version (like how Limbo does). The Inaros in the lore can also be Prime version where we use remaining data to build him up again. Most Warframe in the quest frames we assume that they are normal version. But they can be Prime version where we can only scrap a little bit of data from them and re-created the rest.

Most Warframes in the quest, however... Hostile toward Orokin. They can be ogirinally made by Tenno. Or made by Orokin then the Tenno use them to rebel against the Orokin. But most likely it's Prime Warframe where the Tenno don't even have time to recreated their blueprint. So, it is unlikely that quest frames were originally made by Tenno. Or like you've said, it can be Archimedian or other faction secrectly made them. But why would they do that? It's not like they can use one without the help of Tenno. Lotus did said that she 'Knew' all the Tenno. So, she should have data on all the Prime Warframes and whereabout of it's last sighted. But you know... Lotus have a lot secrets (lol).

Except there is no support that we are building non primes from prime remains in those incidents. We would just build the prime if it were a prime frame. The non prime is a distinctly different object from its prime

The Archimedians worked under Ballas to make the mass production models for the war effort. The frames were expendable warriors because the Tenno was nice and safe back on Lua. They would hardly send expensive and complex primes to be trashed in droves against the Sentients. We know they are complex in some way because we cannot recreate them. We can only use the existing blueprints and parts.

[NocheLuz]

3 minutes ago, NeithanDiniem said:

Except there is no support that we are building non primes from prime remains in those incidents. We would just build the prime if it were a prime frame. The non prime is a distinctly different object from its prime

Yes, you are correct. But there also no evident that what we build is Prime version either. From the game perspective any Prime will have the name 'Prime' in it. Suggest that it is Orokin made with Orokin technology. A quote from Prime Access FAQ 'A Prime Warframe, weapon, Sentinel or accessory represents technology as it was during the height of the Orokin Era.' suggest that any other replicate that didn't use/have Orokin Tech in it is not Prime version.

This also support by the reason why we can only use the Prime blueprint once. That blueprint may contain something Tenno cannot replicate and intregated into the item when builded. Suggest that it is Orokin Tech that being use in building those Prime Items.

[Horaciozhao]

you might want to put a spoiler tag on the title

[(XBOX)TJC569]

Aside Question to the multitude of two Operators making a baby comments, would that child be "tainted" by the void as his parents were? Would they be more connected to the void? If they wanted could the Orokin have started a process of creating a perfect creature of the void after generations of selective breeding between Tenno for the perfect traits?

[SaferSaviour]

43 minutes ago, (XB1)TJC569 said:

Aside Question to the multitude of two Operators making a baby comments, would that child be "tainted" by the void as his parents were? Would they be more connected to the void? If they wanted could the Orokin have started a process of creating a perfect creature of the void after generations of selective breeding between Tenno for the perfect traits?

It's possible the void taint can't be passed on at all. It's possible all the children are sterile due to the Z10-0 Incident. It's possible that carrying a child to term might kill the mother. The Tenno may never age. We don't know.

[NocheLuz]

5 minutes ago, SaferSaviour said:

It's possible the void taint can't be passed on at all. It's possible all the children are sterile due to the Z10-0 Incident. It's possible that carrying a child to term might kill the mother. The Tenno may never age. We don't know.

IIRC, in Harrow quest suggest that Tenno do age and can die from old age. But is it possible that the incident made them infertile and cannot have any children.

[SaferSaviour]

9 minutes ago, NocheLuz said:

IIRC, in Harrow quest suggest that Tenno do age and can die from old age. But is it possible that the incident made them infertile and cannot have any children.

Could you point out when? My understanding of that quest was that Rell abandoned his body for Harrow's in order to protect the world from the Man in the Wall. He remained a child in his own mind (hence the projections) for centuries, until the Man in the Wall finally broke him down and initiated the Red Veil's quest. I agree that circumstantial evidence elsewhere suggests that Tenno do age (Cyrosleep's necessity), but Rell himself never did.

[Wolfdoggie]

Every time someone registers to Warframe a random player's Tenno lays a Void Egg that Lotus takes to Luna to incubate and hatch in the transference machines there and links it to their first Warframe.

[Mints]

11 hours ago, (PS4)alvian00 said:

can the Ten Zero incident be recreated to make more Ten Zero children? Knowing the Orokin they would not think twice about kidnapping children and turning them into weapons. granted that they need more Tenno then what the Ten Zero original crew have and in prolong battles they would need to resupply the losses they suffered during the war and find ways to make more of them, also cheaper and more expandable too. so i wonder if new Tennos could be made. just kidnap children send them to the void to become Tenno or is the Ten Zero children special that they alone are the only one who become Tenno. just think if the Corpus or Grineer try doing this then... oh.

From what I am to understand, no. The Zariman Ten-Zero was described as a freak accident. Even if they could, doing so would be a tremendously horrifying act. What exactly are they going to do, abduct or recruit children to be exposed to dangerous and lethal void energies for extended periods of time in the hopes of replicating the process? Attempting to do so might only succeed in killing them all or driving them all mad. Are you willing to risk the lives of innocent children in some insane bid to recreate the conditions that produced the Tenno children? I would think that if anyone tried the Tenno would destroy them in a heartbeat, and that they would never attempt it themselves.

Even if anyone tried and succeeded, what then? The Tenno recount stories of how their very presence harmed those around them. Margulis herself was harmed in some way by the Tenno inadvertently. This implies that to successfully replicate that process would be to invite ruin upon oneself. The Orokin, powerful as they were, decided the best solution to deal with the Tenno would be to put them on ice and forget about them. If they couldn't contain the Tenno then it would be a monumental act of hubris for the Corpus or Grineer to try. The Tenno did eventually kill the Orokin after all.

That's to say nothing about the "dream" that we know very little about. This dream caused our amnesia and was apparently created as a defense against the creeping influence of the Void, or this Man in the Wall that Lotus claims is not real. Despite Lotus' claims, apparently all Tenno experience this common hallucination and she implies that this was observed and documented during research on the Void and Transference. She knows more than she lets on which may be for the best. Belief, it seems, may contribute to the problem.

Edited April 25, 2018 by Mints

[NocheLuz]

34 minutes ago, SaferSaviour said:

Could you point out when? My understanding of that quest was that Rell abandoned his body for Harrow's in order to protect the world from the Man in the Wall. He remained a child in his own mind (hence the projections) for centuries, until the Man in the Wall finally broke him down and initiated the Red Veil's quest. I agree that circumstantial evidence elsewhere suggests that Tenno do age (Cyrosleep's necessity), but Rell himself never did.

It is when Lotus ask about how Rell can be alive this long without the long dream. She saying this line when you're on mission to capture Rell's manifastation on Earth. Which Palladino answer that he didn't. He knew that his mortality would undo his purpose. So he gave up his humanity and gave his soul to undying vessel. Lotus know that it is his Warframe.

[(XBOX)EternalDrk Mako]

theoretically i think orokin made psuedo tenno and thus how we have things like spectars/stalker ect 

so replicating the tenno condition seems viable, but i dont know if they can procreate as they are void twisted beings 

[SaferSaviour]

14 hours ago, NocheLuz said:

It is when Lotus ask about how Rell can be alive this long without the long dream. She saying this line when you're on mission to capture Rell's manifastation on Earth. Which Palladino answer that he didn't. He knew that his mortality would undo his purpose. So he gave up his humanity and gave his soul to undying vessel. Lotus know that it is his Warframe.

His mortality. That's enough to convince me, thanks for the response.

[AuroraSonicBoom]

15 hours ago, Wolfdoggie said:

Every time someone registers to Warframe a random player's Tenno lays a Void Egg that Lotus takes to Luna to incubate and hatch in the transference machines there and links it to their first Warframe.

Plot twist: It's always been the same, poor Tenno.

[Neptlude]

Didnt the orokin kidnapped children from mars, based on Inaros' quest. The may have been drafting children and turning em to tenno for the war...

Edited April 26, 2018 by Neptlude

[NocheLuz]

3 minutes ago, Neptlude said:

Didnt the orokin kidnapped children from mars, based on Inaros' quest. The may have been drafting children and turning em to tenno for the war...

The Transference Therapy can only be used on Children from Z10-0. If use on normal people... well, you saw what happen to them in The silver Grove quest line. Where Silvana trying to use Transference to Titania herself. Which end in success, with only a limited time. So, if those children really use for making Tenno. They use will be severly limited compare to normal Tenno. Not to mention they cannot channel void enegy, meaning that them fighting Infestation/Sentients will be very hard.

[Othergrunty]

I have that theory for a while that the thousands of Tenno which are implied to exist (just look at the number of Landers in the backround of the Relays) are actualy mostly perfect replicas of the perhaps less than a hundred kids who survived on the Zariman.

Imagine it like this.

The Tenno as fighting force worked. But of the handfull the Orokin had, each with their personal Warframe (ala Rell), they were far too few to cover the many fronts of the War. So they needed more. Perhaps the original Tenno were also tied to their one Warframe, so each one lost also meant a Tenno died for real (which put some gravity behind story of each lost Warframe in their quests).

The Orokin tried to replicate the events that made the Tenno, but failed. The void being a place the Orokins could never figure out after all. Then they tried to copy the Tenno's bodies as empty hulls for more "controllable" or "willing" minds to be put into it. But that failed aswell. The bodies lacking the powers or worse.

Finaly they decided to copy both the bodies (via a flesh printer rather than cloning) and the minds and somehow that resulted in the replica having the void powers. But said mind being free and also attached to rather traumatic memories.

"It just works. Don't ask me ****ing how!" - Ballas (maybe).

So we have perhaps a hundred different kids spread over thousands of replicas, explaining the size of the Tenno force.

Also perhaps the Orokin still tried to create more willing minds with Tenno powers resulting in things like the Stalker.

In the end it's just some crackpot theory of mine and might soon be proven utterly wrong. Haha.

[Neptlude]

4 minutes ago, NocheLuz said:

The Transference Therapy can only be used on Children from Z10-0. If use on normal people... well, you saw what happen to them in The silver Grove quest line. Where Silvana trying to use Transference to Titania herself. Which end in success, with only a limited time. So, if those children really use for making Tenno. They use will be severly limited compare to normal Tenno. Not to mention they cannot channel void enegy, meaning that them fighting Infestation/Sentients will be very hard.

I mean they could be forcng em into the void to turn em into tenno... they dont just kidnap em and force em to use transference 

[Othergrunty]

They were kidnapped to serve as new bodies for the Orokin. They used new bodies the way people would switch into new outfits based on what is popular at the time. Hence a constant need for "exotic" and "natural" bodies.

 

[NeithanDiniem]

6 hours ago, Neptlude said:

Didnt the orokin kidnapped children from mars, based on Inaros' quest. The may have been drafting children and turning em to tenno for the war...

See below.

6 hours ago, Othergrunty said:

They were kidnapped to serve as new bodies for the Orokin. They used new bodies the way people would switch into new outfits based on what is popular at the time. Hence a constant need for "exotic" and "natural" bodies.

This is pretty much why the children were being captured, as the Orokin were only immortal because they could just body swap and destroy the mind of the original host.

6 hours ago, Neptlude said:

I mean they could be forcng em into the void to turn em into tenno... they dont just kidnap em and force em to use transference 

The Zariman incident was a freak accident, it was the only reported case of a ship lost to the void being rediscovered. And being exposed to void energy wouldnt magically make a kid into a tenno candidate, as otherwise the Orokin would have had nothing to fear at all from the Sentients. Likewise, the Zariman was a BIG ship, it was to colonize a whole new solar system. That would require a huge number of people. Lastly, if the Orokin could just make new tenno, they would have had no reason to protect the children by sticking them on Lua, they'd have shipped the kids to the front lines directly and not bothered.

 

[(XBOX)TJC569]

My ultimate takeaway from this thread...

DE needs to get some lore fixed and settled so we can stop head canoning...

[(PSN)Shelneroth]

Just becuase the original ship was massive with multitudes aboard doesn't mean that is a requierment for  making tenno or that experiments could not be conducted on a smaller scale.

[(PSN)alvian00]

well if the ten zero has enough crew to seed a new star system then there is no point of creating more Tennos. just wake up the others. some how am thinking of the spartain 3 program from Halo. there were not enough spartan 2s to turn the tide of the war so the spartan 3s was created. it is also enetihical to turn children into super soldiers anyway even if those children are war orphans. am sure there are a lot of war orphans whos lives were ruin by the grineer, corpus, and infested and would like nothing more then to get even but we are better then the grineer or corpus and would never do that right? we don't even know if it will work.