AtsiaZ Posted December 5, 2018 Share Posted December 5, 2018 1 minute ago, Aramil999 said: @DatDarkOne I state as fact that most players have almost never seen this forum. Something known as "public opinion on conclave" is very VERY bad as any measure about how people think about implementing PvP into PvE mode. My opinion on that is: if DE creats good, balanced, troll free (at least hard to troll), hacker free PvP+PvE mode with good rewards, there will be a LOT of players who would enjoy the hell out of it. That's still conjecture with no proof or data to back it up, especially when DEs metrics show that the majority of players do not care about or play PvP. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DatDarkOne Posted December 5, 2018 Share Posted December 5, 2018 2 minutes ago, Aramil999 said: @DatDarkOne I state as fact that most players have almost never seen this forum. Something known as "public opinion on conclave" is very VERY bad as any measure about how people think about implementing PvP into PvE mode. My opinion on that is: if DE creats good, balanced, troll free (at least hard to troll), hacker free PvP+PvE mode with good rewards, there will be a LOT of players who would enjoy the hell out of it. And what does any of what you said in this post does to answer this simple question to which you've avoided twice now. . What benefit do I as a solo player in solo mode get for being forced into having someone invade my game as the Stalker? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BornWithTeeth Posted December 5, 2018 Share Posted December 5, 2018 4 minutes ago, Aramil999 said: @DatDarkOne I state as fact that most players have almost never seen this forum. Something known as "public opinion on conclave" is very VERY bad as any measure about how people think about implementing PvP into PvE mode. My opinion on that is: if DE creats good, balanced, troll free (at least hard to troll), hacker free PvP+PvE mode with good rewards, there will be a LOT of players who would enjoy the hell out of it. If most people are not present either way, then why have you been proceeding on the assumption that a majority of those who are, again, not present, would be agreeing with you? This entire thread has been an exercise in “The lurkers support me via Private Message!” except the lurkers are not even here, and proportionally, you’re receiving a lot of pushback. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(PSN)Cargan2016 Posted December 5, 2018 Share Posted December 5, 2018 On 2018-12-04 at 4:42 AM, Eisdschungel said: Coz forcing pvp on People is such a Good idea its not exactly pvp in normal sense people dont get to keep thier over powered weapons and mods. they get exactly same loadout the current stalker has. so its not really any harder loadout wise than npc stalker. the only difference is the unpredictability in movement Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(PSN)Cargan2016 Posted December 5, 2018 Share Posted December 5, 2018 3 minutes ago, BornWithTeeth said: If most people are not present either way, then why have you been proceeding on the assumption that a majority of those who are, again, not present, would be agreeing with you? This entire thread has been an exercise in “The lurkers support me via Private Message!” except the lurkers are not even here, and proportionally, you’re receiving a lot of pushback. the percentage of people that play warframe that want pvp make up like 5% if that of the total playerbase. of even them almost all given up on conclave as no one ever plays it as it is unwanted mode. over past year I have out of curriosity entered conclaive 1500 times and kept a log of it. the number of times i saw another player was a grand total of 1 time. by anyones math 1/1500 equals a dead game mode Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DatDarkOne Posted December 5, 2018 Share Posted December 5, 2018 3 minutes ago, (PS4)Cargan2016 said: the percentage of people that play warframe that want pvp make up like 5% if that of the total playerbase. of even them almost all given up on conclave as no one ever plays it as it is unwanted mode. over past year I have out of curriosity entered conclaive 1500 times and kept a log of it. the number of times i saw another player was a grand total of 1 time. by anyones math 1/1500 equals a dead game mode OMG! What is this. A statement with hard data to support it. I never thought I would see this today in this topic. Thank you for restoring my hope in humanity. P.S. I'm dead serious. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aldain Posted December 5, 2018 Share Posted December 5, 2018 1 minute ago, DatDarkOne said: OMG! What is this. A statement with hard data to support it. I never thought I would see this today in this topic. Thank you for restoring my hope in humanity. P.S. I'm dead serious. Technically its not hard data, its anecdotal, but the sentiment has been recurring in many of the conclave threads on these forums as far as I can see, which too, is anecdotal not hard. The only ones with hard data in this case would be DE or a group willing to take surveys of players as to their opinion, and if it is anything like the thread I foresee a similar outcome. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vvhorus Posted December 5, 2018 Share Posted December 5, 2018 1 hour ago, Aramil999 said: Adding new and fresh PvP+PvE mode will most likely be good for game as whole even if that would be small side addition in corner of starchart. Have you ever played The Division? The company's attempt at PvE + PvP in the Dark Zone is one of the most "divisive" game modes I've ever seen, and it's (arguably) most likely the single most prominent reason for the mass exodus of more than 90% of the game's playerbase. I'm sure DE would not want to implement such a game mode... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DatDarkOne Posted December 5, 2018 Share Posted December 5, 2018 2 minutes ago, Aldain said: Technically its not hard data, its anecdotal, but the sentiment has been recurring in many of the conclave threads on these forums as far as I can see, which too, is anecdotal not hard. True, but it's way more than OP has been giving us to support his own argument. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BornWithTeeth Posted December 5, 2018 Share Posted December 5, 2018 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aldain Posted December 5, 2018 Share Posted December 5, 2018 Just now, BornWithTeeth said: Welp pack up folks, this has not only run the entire argument over with a train, it backed up over it with every car too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MagPrime Posted December 5, 2018 Share Posted December 5, 2018 1 minute ago, BornWithTeeth said: 1.07% on PvP, damn. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DatDarkOne Posted December 5, 2018 Share Posted December 5, 2018 2 minutes ago, Aldain said: Welp pack up folks, this has not only run the entire argument over with a train, it backed up over it with every car too. Thank you so much for that laugh. I really appreciate it. LMAO! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vvhorus Posted December 5, 2018 Share Posted December 5, 2018 3 minutes ago, MagPrime said: 1.07% on PvP, damn. I'm actually more surprised that exterminate missions have a higher percentage than defense... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BornWithTeeth Posted December 5, 2018 Share Posted December 5, 2018 5 minutes ago, Aldain said: Welp pack up folks, this has not only run the entire argument over with a train, it backed up over it with every car too. Truth is, I could have pulled this chart out at any time, really. Whoops. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Firetempest Posted December 5, 2018 Share Posted December 5, 2018 (edited) 4 minutes ago, MagPrime said: 1.07% on PvP, damn. Over one weekend two years ago. It could be less now. Edited December 5, 2018 by Firetempest Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DatDarkOne Posted December 5, 2018 Share Posted December 5, 2018 2 minutes ago, vvhorus said: I'm actually more surprised that exterminate missions have a higher percentage than defense... I'm really surprised that Junctions beat PvP. LOL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aldain Posted December 5, 2018 Share Posted December 5, 2018 Just now, DatDarkOne said: I'm really surprised that Junctions beat PvP. LOL Junctions are actually required and have rewards. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MagPrime Posted December 5, 2018 Share Posted December 5, 2018 3 minutes ago, vvhorus said: I'm actually more surprised that exterminate missions have a higher percentage than defense... I'm not overly surprised, exterminates are fast with the right meta frame. It was my brothers main farm years ago with his Ember Prime. 2 minutes ago, Firetempest said: Over one weekend two years ago. I didn't see a date on it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DatDarkOne Posted December 5, 2018 Share Posted December 5, 2018 1 minute ago, Aldain said: Junctions are actually required and have rewards. Still that there are more people doing those when you only have to do them once per planet than playing PvP is very telling in itself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vvhorus Posted December 5, 2018 Share Posted December 5, 2018 3 minutes ago, Aldain said: Junctions are actually required and have rewards. True, but junctions you do them once and never come back. The fact that a game mode that players can do over and over is so unpopular is very revealing. 9 minutes ago, MagPrime said: I didn't see a date on it. According to this reddit post from September 26, 2016, it's what the game's average weekend looked like back then... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dabnician Posted December 5, 2018 Share Posted December 5, 2018 On 2018-12-04 at 5:31 AM, Aramil999 said: maybe solo should be impossible to invade, You clearly dont understand how warframe works at a basic coding level and are jumping to conclusions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aldain Posted December 5, 2018 Share Posted December 5, 2018 By the way, that percentage calculates out to about 1 player in pvp for every 100 players doing everything else just as a note, even if the data is two years older, there have been no major PvP updates, so it would be safe to say that the number might be even smaller now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MagPrime Posted December 5, 2018 Share Posted December 5, 2018 23 minutes ago, Firetempest said: Over one weekend two years ago. It could be less now. True, could be more though. How many PvP events have we had since then? (I genuinly don't know) Plus, I am interested in knowing how much of that stat is conclave and the dojo. Those are two different styles of PvP. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MagPrime Posted December 5, 2018 Share Posted December 5, 2018 2 minutes ago, Aldain said: By the way, that percentage calculates out to about 1 player in pvp for every 100 players doing everything else just as a note, even if the data is two years older, there have been no major PvP updates, so it would be safe to say that the number might be even smaller now. Where are you getting your player base numbers from? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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