iamthecircle Posted August 23, 2023 Share Posted August 23, 2023 Who are they? Are they people, or void concepts? Do we have any lore reasons to think they're anything other than just... Words made manifest though void power? I ask because they do seem to represent creatures. Xaku's abilities are called "Grasp of Lohk" or "Xata's whisper". These are personifications, but are they just the consequence of crazy void stuff, or do we have any reason to think they are real? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-Krism- Posted August 23, 2023 Share Posted August 23, 2023 11 minutes ago, iamthecircle said: Xaku's abilities are called "Grasp of Lohk" or "Xata's whisper". If I say "Wall of fire", do you think I'm referring to a creature/person called "fire"? Same principle Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(PSN)ARC_Paroe Posted August 23, 2023 Share Posted August 23, 2023 11 minutes ago, -Krism- said: If I say "Wall of fire", do you think I'm referring to a creature/person called "fire"? Same principle THats not really the same. "Portcullis' chains" or "Men's mutlivitamin" would be a better example. "Wall's fire" does make it sound like its a fire made some dude named "wall"; WHich is the OPs confusion. To answer the OPs question though... I dont think we know the source of the requiem words? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rathalio Posted August 23, 2023 Share Posted August 23, 2023 They are just components of a willingly cryptic eldritch language but the warframe & void version. They both describe simple words and more complex ideas. "Grasp of Lohk" for example can translate simply by "Graps of the void" although Lohk means more than just the void in the eldritch language. You can find a lot of the info we have on them compiled on this page of the wiki if you want more insights : Requiem Mods | WARFRAME Wiki | Fandom Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(PSN)MYKK678 Posted August 23, 2023 Share Posted August 23, 2023 1 hour ago, iamthecircle said: Who are they? Are they people, or void concepts? Do we have any lore reasons to think they're anything other than just... Words made manifest though void power? I ask because they do seem to represent creatures. Xaku's abilities are called "Grasp of Lohk" or "Xata's whisper". These are personifications, but are they just the consequence of crazy void stuff, or do we have any reason to think they are real? Lots of theories being dressed up as facts in here to be honest. The actual answer is we don't know yet. There was a Theory that is now defunct that they were Albrecht Entratis interpretation of something from either The Wall of Bone or the Void. The same way you had Caryll interpret The Great Ones language in Bloodborne and made Glyphs of them. Except that now makes no sense considering the Wall of Bone literally speaks the requiem words at the end of New War. That's not an interpretation, its someone literally hearing the words and writing them down. This however leaves a massive hole in the story as to where the descriptions came from (EG: Khra - To cosmic forms from tangent planes. We end as we began). All of this is still basically "tune in to find out" territory. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(PSN)Unstar Posted August 23, 2023 Share Posted August 23, 2023 At least according to Albrecht's interpretations of the words, they don't represent specific creatures, but rather concepts: Xata. (Truth). Jahu. (Form). Vome. (Order) Fass. (Chaos). Ris. (Light). Khra. (Time). Netra. (Decay). Lohk. (Void). And since he's the one who "discovered" the words, we can presume he had some reason as to why he described them as being the way he did. But we don't know anything beyond that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CosoMalvadoNG Posted August 23, 2023 Share Posted August 23, 2023 If I remember correctly the English translation of these words are here. hace 3 minutos, (PSN)Unstar dijo: At least according to Albrecht's interpretations of the words, they don't represent specific creatures, but rather concepts: Xata. (Truth). Jahu. (Form). Vome. (Order) Fass. (Chaos). Ris. (Light). Khra. (Time). Netra. (Decay). Lohk. (Void). Just this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iamthecircle Posted August 23, 2023 Author Share Posted August 23, 2023 2 часа назад, -Krism- сказал: If I say "Wall of fire", do you think I'm referring to a creature/person called "fire"? Same principle Er... Yeah, no. If you say Wall of Fire, I think its a wall of fire. If you say Wall of Benjamin, I assume its a wall by some guy named Benjamin. A strong counter-example might be "Grasp of fire", I guess? But even then, we're dealing with the void, which is not something that can be compared to physical reality. So... Yeah. On topic, the void is essentially a place where mental ideas become reality, no? I think its very possible to say that the concepts of time, truth, and the very void itself manifested and became real through the collective belief of living creatures. Its mostly Xata's whisper that makes me think they might be void-born creatures. That, and there are lots in the definitions of the words themselves that imply the same thing. I was just wondering if I was reading too much into it and there was something solid to disprove my crazy theory or if we still didn't know enough. Thanks for the help! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BroDutt Posted August 24, 2023 Share Posted August 24, 2023 It's kind of perplexing that modern society can't fathom that a single word can have different meaning. Most African, Asian and old European culture had one word that can mean anything. Hence why caligraphy exist (it's not just drawing of word but a stroke or pressure can mean anything). For years the word Darkness can be intrepeted as something evil, emptyness or just literally a condition without light. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BroDutt Posted August 24, 2023 Share Posted August 24, 2023 3 hours ago, -Krism- said: If I say "Wall of fire", do you think I'm referring to a creature/person called "fire"? I think the correct comparable is "BATHED in LIGHT", you literally not having a bath or using light to clean yourself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(XBOX)Mastermitchel89 Posted August 24, 2023 Share Posted August 24, 2023 3 hours ago, Rathalio said: They are just components of a willingly cryptic eldritch language but the warframe & void version. They both describe simple words and more complex ideas. "Grasp of Lohk" for example can translate simply by "Graps of the void" although Lohk means more than just the void in the eldritch language. You can find a lot of the info we have on them compiled on this page of the wiki if you want more insights : Requiem Mods | WARFRAME Wiki | Fandom It could be that Man in the wall is a prisoner and hes just mentioning what he broke through or breaking through to talk face to face with someone Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(XBOX)Lord ChibiVR Posted August 24, 2023 Share Posted August 24, 2023 3 hours ago, (PSN)Unstar said: At least according to Albrecht's interpretations of the words, they don't represent specific creatures, but rather concepts: Xata. (Truth). Jahu. (Form). Vome. (Order) Fass. (Chaos). Ris. (Light). Khra. (Time). Netra. (Decay). Lohk. (Void). And since he's the one who "discovered" the words, we can presume he had some reason as to why he described them as being the way he did. But we don't know anything beyond that. Wait, how did you (or whoever you got this from) find this out? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(XBOX)C11H22O11 Posted August 24, 2023 Share Posted August 24, 2023 40 minutes ago, (XBOX)Upl0rdYT said: Wait, how did you (or whoever you got this from) find this out? You can hear Albrecht talking about them on the necraloid room, there's recordings at the back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CosoMalvadoNG Posted August 24, 2023 Share Posted August 24, 2023 hace 38 minutos, (XBOX)Upl0rdYT dijo: Wait, how did you (or whoever you got this from) find this out? In Necralisk, Deimos. Just in my last response i put a image. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0_The_F00l Posted August 24, 2023 Share Posted August 24, 2023 They are categorised as concepts , but there is no reason to think they cannot mean more than that. People /other things can be named after concepts and depending on context their meaning can change too. But DE being DE , they will likely just throw out any past references and just do whatever they feel like in the moment and say they are fruits or something. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PsychicKitty Posted August 24, 2023 Share Posted August 24, 2023 Go to deimos and go the necralisk work shop, and read the information. From the things around the circle. That should tell you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(PSN)robotwars7 Posted August 24, 2023 Share Posted August 24, 2023 they're just the names of different concepts, the words themselves are not that deep: could even be that these words are Wally's own language that was whispered to Albrecht Entrati when he discovered Wally in the Void. ultimately, all we can do is speculate until the next major quest, which hopefully will actually answer some questions (but will more than likely end up creating new ones as well.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iamthecircle Posted August 24, 2023 Author Share Posted August 24, 2023 14 часов назад, BroDutt сказал: I think the correct comparable is "BATHED in LIGHT", you literally not having a bath or using light to clean yourself. Nah, I still can't agree with this, either. I can say someone is bathed in light and it still has the sense of to bathe. Bathing isn't limited to liquids, this is a case of a single word meaning many things... as per your previous comment. I think grasp of fire is an alright way to explain it, the issue I have here is its impossible to make an example like this to counter my idea, because I'm saying they're literally formed of thoughts like the skittergirl. If you say "Grasp of Fire", I'm not going to think Fire is a person, but if you tell me this fire is a thing that comes from a place where mental creations become real, them maybe I'd be inclined to think this fire is some metaphysical representation of fire. Think the Magus Archives, where concepts like The Vast and The Strange are entities with intent and desire. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(XBOX)Mastermitchel89 Posted August 28, 2023 Share Posted August 28, 2023 On 2023-08-24 at 10:44 AM, (XBOX)Mastermitchel89 said: It could be that Man in the wall is a prisoner and hes just mentioning what he broke through or breaking through to talk face to face with someone oh boy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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