Performing a series of specific Parkour Movements > Tapping a Button. Why Nerfing Exodia Contagion is a MISTAKE

[(XBOX)Lord ChibiVR]

1 hour ago, VibingCat said:

Once again, DE ignores the community to nerf something that totally didn't deserve it. I'm one step closer to abandoning the game forever.

I'm sorry, did you rely on heavy attack exodia contagion or something?

[VibingCat]

Just now, (XBOX)Upl0rdYT said:

I'm sorry, did you rely on heavy attack exodia contagion or something?

Yes, it was perfect to oneshot acolytes.

[(XBOX)Lord ChibiVR]

Just now, VibingCat said:

Yes, it was perfect to oneshot acolytes.

Ah ok that makes a little more sense on why you're upset. 

There will still be ways to one shot them though, but I feel your loss.

[Roble_Viejo]

hace 2 minutos, (XBOX)Upl0rdYT dijo:

I'm sorry, did you rely on heavy attack exodia contagion or something?

Normal Attacks for Fodder Enemies
Heavy Attacks for Strong Units

And even then the Heavy Attack required Armor Removal or DMG Buff
to kll Steel Path Strong Units such as Acolytes or Eximus

[(XBOX)ECCHO SIERRA]

2 hours ago, Roble_Viejo said:

DE wants to Nerf the Ability for Players to perform a Heavy Attack Mid-Air when using Exodia Contagion
which requires a Series of specific Parkour Movements, which means this is a form of TECH

I can equip the Kuva Bramma and do more DMG simply tapping a button
I can equip Incarnon Skana and hit DMG Cap by mashing the Melee button
So... why is performing a series of specific Parkour Movements to do lots of DMG "wrong"??? 

This is one of the few forms of Tech remaining in Warframe, because DE has "fixed" every other
Remember Coptering? Remember Zooming? These are all maneuvers that require the Player
to know how to use every input and how to weave them in the right order in an specific window of time

Tech is a form of SKILL, this is one of the very few things in Warframe that actually require a bit of skill
to pull off, so why in the name of Lotus is DE attempting to "fix" it? Specially since I can do a LOT more
damage with AoE Weapons that simply require me to tap a single button...

Reasons why Heavy Attacks Mid-Air are OBJECTIVELY GOOD FOR THE GAME:
A. You need to fully equip your Melee, so you cant use other Weapons when doing so
B. You need to learn how to perform these Maneuvers in the right order, otherwise it wont work
C. It opens the possibility for a whole different Build instead of the staple raw DMG build
D. Exodia Contagion is a RARE Arcane that is only available every other year and requires a lot of grinding to get

In resume, If DE "fixes" Mid-Air Heavy Attacks they would be:
A. Removing a form of Tech from the Game
B. Punishing Players who grinded for Exodia Contagion
C. Removing a whole Build from the Player's Option
D. Pushing Players to use other AoE methods which do more dmg and are easier to use

Basically DE would be dumbing down the Gameplay for those of us who actually care about Tech

DE said it themselves: This requires a Series of Specific Parkour Movements to pull off

Why is Performing a Combo that requires the Player to press specific Button in the right order something "Bad"???
In any case its one of the very few examples on the type of Mechanics Warframe should have more of !

Cope. This was clearly a bug. Nobody should be surprised this got fixed. 

[Numerounius]

You are missing the part where it says its dependent on a bug. I would rather have bugs get fixed even if that means it is for both beneficial and negative bugs rather than let them roam free.

Now are there are other things that might have come into play like it being Exodia contagion and Nights coming up or DE's knowledge of various bugs in the game is a different story.

[VibingCat]

5 minutes ago, (XBOX)Upl0rdYT said:

Ah ok that makes a little more sense on why you're upset. 

There will still be ways to one shot them though, but I feel your loss.

One more reason to use Glaive Prime as the only decent melee, right?

[(XBOX)Big Roy 324]

48 minutes ago, quxier said:

52 minutes ago, Roble_Viejo said:

and you can do them as many times as you want, while Exodia Contagion
can only happen ONCE per Aim Glide... I dont get it honestly...

And you have to bullet/double jump.... which made this arcane pretty useless for me.

It should be mentioned that was an interaction that was previously nerfed. 

Before it would happen on every attack while aim gliding.  Meaning weapons like the sepfhan nikana could spam exploding projectiles. 

So this new nerf is just one in the long list to exodia contagion specifically. 

[-Krism-]

3 minutes ago, VibingCat said:

One more reason to use Glaive Prime as the only decent melee, right?

GlaiveP? The only decent melee?

[kamisama85]

So you're mad that DE took away an unintended method of making big damage, and left you with options that do more damage with less work.
And your argument was showing a video of exactly those simpler options.

So just use the simpler options and enjoy your QoL upgrade.

[VibingCat]

2 minutes ago, -Krism- said:

GlaiveP? The only decent melee?

Yeah, definitely:

-no combo required;

-AOE;

-guaranteed bleed;

-high damage.

[-Krism-]

Just now, VibingCat said:

Yeah, definitely:

-no combo required;

-AOE;

-guaranteed bleed;

-high damage.

[VibingCat]

4 minutes ago, kamisama85 said:

So you're mad that DE took away an unintended method of making big damage, and left you with options that do more damage with less work.
And your argument was showing a video of exactly those simpler options.

So just use the simpler options and enjoy your QoL upgrade.

Exodia Contagion is immensely more powerful than Bramma if you use the right abilities and mods.

[(NSW)Greybones]

I can think of a billion other ways to play that require some form of player capability to pull off…

I remember trying this and finding it awkward and fiddly. I’m not sure why they thought it needed to be fixed, maybe it was to make it more consistent instead of having this odd reputation of “You’re supposed to use this in this esoteric way” or it got fixed by adjusting something somewhere else. I’m a little sad in the way I always get when a game developer fixes a weird potentially fun interaction, but I’m not exactly expecting weird interactions to hang around and there’s a difference between an intended interaction and an unintended one

[Roble_Viejo]

hace 24 minutos, VibingCat dijo:

One more reason to use Glaive Prime as the only decent melee, right?

Yep. And you can do Heavy Attacks Mid-Air as many
times as you want, not only once like Exodia Contagion

Use Glaive Prime with Wisp Aviator + Aero Vantage and you
can do much more dmg than Exodia Contagion, as many
times as you want, and be completely Invisible while doing so

Thats proof that DE doesnt care about how broken something is
they only care about reinforcing what they deem Intentional

[Roble_Viejo]

hace 21 minutos, kamisama85 dijo:

So just use the simpler options and enjoy your QoL upgrade.

Ah yes. Nothing like dumbing down Warframe's Gemplay as much as possible

Do you understand I was using this Build because it was FUN, not because it was particularly powerful? 

Aero Vantage Wisp with Glaive is still ten times stronger than this

[Hexerin]

14 minutes ago, VibingCat said:

Yeah, definitely:

• no combo required;
• AOE;
• guaranteed bleed;
• high damage.

Went ahead and fixed your post formatting. Also:

https://warframe.fandom.com/wiki/Arca_Titron

Glaives are extremely overrated.

[VibingCat]

3 hours ago, Roble_Viejo said:

Aero Vantage Wisp with Glaive is still ten times stronger than this

How would Wisp buff Glaive Prime? Her big numbers are caused by Breach Surge which is affected twice by Eclipse. Try Banshee with Exodia Contagion, sometimes you'll see 2147 millions damage with her vanilla build and 199% strength, now imagine with Eclipse, and she can also strip almost any enemies' armour.

Edited September 13, 2023 by VibingCat

[VibingCat]

10 minutes ago, Hexerin said:

Went ahead and fixed your post formatting. Also:

https://warframe.fandom.com/wiki/Arca_Titron

Glaives are extremely overrated.

Except that glaive prime is excellent on any warframes, it doesn't rely on any specific combos, and it can kill a bunch of enemies at the same time. I'm aware it isn't the strongest melee when it comes to single targets. In addition, it is ideal against acolytes of any level.

[-Krism-]

14 minutes ago, Hexerin said:

Glaives are extremely overrated.

Don't bother with them, these guys swear by AOE weapons, so much that they forget to simply play for fun

In their heads, it's oneshoting lvl 9999 Acolytes or the game is unplayable

[Hexerin]

2 minutes ago, VibingCat said:

Except that glaive prime is excellent on any warframes, it doesn't rely on any specific combos, and it can kill a bunch of enemies at the same time. I'm aware it isn't the strongest melee when it comes to single targets. In addition, it is ideal against acolytes of any level.

What part of 20m radius explosion that ignores terrain, dealing over 60 million damage, sounds "single target" to you?

[Roble_Viejo]

hace 12 minutos, VibingCat dijo:

How would Wisp buff Glaive Prime?

She is Permanently Invisible Mid-Air
Meaning that if you use Aero Vantage and something like Patagium while using
Glaive's Heavy Attack Detonated Explosion you are doing an absurd amount of
Damage all the while you are Fully Invisible. All the Reward with no Risk.

At least Exodia Contagion forces you to touch the ground.... 

[VibingCat]

5 minutes ago, Hexerin said:

What part of 20m radius explosion that ignores terrain, dealing over 60 million damage, sounds "single target" to you?

You still need ten initial kills to get charges. Ah, and it doesn't seem to bypass armour.

[Roble_Viejo]

hace 7 minutos, -Krism- dijo:

Don't bother with them, these guys swear by AOE weapons, so much that they forget to simply play for fun

In their heads, it's oneshoting lvl 9999 Acolytes or the game is unplayable

You are missing the point completely

Nerfing Exodia Contagion is pushing
Players to use even stronger forms of AoE
 

[VibingCat]

1 minute ago, Roble_Viejo said:

She is Permanently Invisible Mid-Air
Meaning that if you use Aero Vantage and something like Patagium while using
Glaive's Heavy Attack Detonated Explosion you are doing an absurd amount of
Damage all the while you are Fully Invisible. All the Reward with no Risk.

At least Exodia Contagion forces you to touch the ground.... 

Stealth multiplier is not applied to alerted enemies, is it?

Put some attack speed on your zaw and it will attack faster than glaive prime lol.

1 minute ago, Roble_Viejo said:

You are missing the point completely

Nerfing Exodia Contagion is pushing
Players to use even stronger forms of AoE
 

Yep, it pretty much reduces the number of viable melee weapons from 2 to 1.