BagelBaronessKira Posted January 11, 2015 Share Posted January 11, 2015 People are so stingy about archwing. Are you forgetting keyfarming is just as bad? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DAFIRE Posted January 11, 2015 Share Posted January 11, 2015 Are you forgetting keyfarming is just as bad? at least you're in space in archwing xD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
plznohurtme Posted January 11, 2015 Share Posted January 11, 2015 Is the info came from DE like prime drop location? No? There are also more Archwing mod that I get from mission reward that he conveniently left out to justify his so called equal chance You are aware of the fact that DE has tried to keep this information from players since they had encrypted drop tables (we used to have full information) right? The only time you're getting drops, as mission rewards not pickups, that weren't listed is in round 1/2/3 (5/6/7 etc...) in interception modes. Seems to me you've been burned by the terrible weighted rng that DE uses for everything and that should be the target of your anger not people trying to spread the truth about what they're doing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoboDoge Posted January 11, 2015 Share Posted January 11, 2015 Since apparently everyone likes just making stuff up regarding Archwing here's what we know: Uranus - Interception (7 possible drops): Every 4th round you have an equal chance at getting: T4 Def/Surv, Fluctus Stock, Centaur Blade and each of the 3 Elytron parts.Jupiter/Neptune - Sabotage (8 possible drops): Rathbone Handle, Glacial Edge, Galvanized Blade, Tempered Blade and Centaur Aegis all have the same chance to drop (~15.49%) Rathbone Head, Decurion Barrel, and Fluctus Barrel all have the same chance to drop (~7.52%) Earth - Interception (6 possible drops): Corvas Barrel/Stock, and Onorix Handle have the same chance to drop (~25.81%) Corvas Receiver, Fluctus Limbs, and Onorix Blade all have the same chance to drop (~7.52%) Venus/Mars - Exterminate (7 possible drops): Automatic Trigger, Polar Magazine, Morphic Transformer and Velocitus Barrel all have the same chance to drop (~19.36%) Velocitus Receiver/Stock, and Decurion Receiver all have the same chance to drop (~7.52%) This is basically the same setup as any void mission would be (possible drops -T4 Cap: 6, T4D C: 8, T4E: 7, T4I C: 8, T4M: 6, T4Sab: 9, T4Surv: 8) and it has the same problems for the same reasons: the weighted drop rates. All of the "uncommon" drops seem to have ~22.56% chance to show up and the "common" drops ~77.44% chance to show up. This is how all "uncommon" versus "common" currently appears in the game (which is why gl getting those "uncommon" vault mods since there are 17 mods stuck in that 22.56% drop rate) no matter where it is (void/archwing/derelict/regular mission). The problems with loot are made exponentially worse when weighted drop rates are in effect whereas when it's all equal it isn't quite as bad. Personally I would make endless C rotations everything in the common pool and put forma/keys/cores/mods in the uncommon pool, but that's just me. An argument can of course be made for removing the fodder entirely, but if that were to happen I'm confident we would not see an end to weighted drops and in fact they may be implemented for everything (for example: is seeing your 10th velocitus barrel really better than seeing random mods and barrel mix?). This is why my general opinion on the matter is that we should see the end of universal weighted drops or pull all fodder in the uncommon pool rather than common. If things would be as you say no one would complain. There is simple reason why we have encrypted drop chances. Mag Prime part fiasco where drop chance was 1.something %. So, drop chance are not equal for everything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rarius Posted January 12, 2015 Share Posted January 12, 2015 Are void tables broken in general? It seems that certain keys are just dropping a single thing, instead of a spread of items. Like, 99% Mag Prime chassis on T3E. Usually you'd get something else, not necessarily what you want, but at least something different. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hatzeputt Posted January 12, 2015 Share Posted January 12, 2015 The Mag p spam and Bo p ornament recently should be enough proof of broken loot tables! 40 T4s 40 minutes survivals and still not a single loki p helmet but plenty of mag p and bo ornament garbage! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ngrazer Posted January 12, 2015 Share Posted January 12, 2015 I love how DE keep on ignoring this thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UltimateSpinDash Posted January 12, 2015 Share Posted January 12, 2015 The Mag p spam and Bo p ornament recently should be enough proof of broken loot tables! 40 T4s 40 minutes survivals and still not a single loki p helmet but plenty of mag p and bo ornament garbage! Looks like I have your luck, got quite a few of those helmets, actually gave a few to Baro Ki'Teer and still have three leftover. Chance is 7% I believe. I love how DE keep on ignoring this thread. They can't do that forever, at least as long as this thread remains on first page of GD. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xardis Posted January 12, 2015 Share Posted January 12, 2015 Rotation C is overcrowded and it is very bad. Also does rotation A has so little drop since there are always rotations in the same order: AABC... This gives everyone creeps to see that next prime acces only is paced on rotation C. It sppeks to everyone: HEY IF YOU WANT TO HAVE THIS STUFF BUY PRIME ACCES; WE'LL PLACE THIS STUFF ON ROTATIONC SO ONLY 0,01% OF PLAYERS CAN GET THIS. Srls, endgame does not mean a grindfest. It means hard missions with good reward in the end, not waiting till 80th minute to see forma bp. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NJ-5 Posted January 12, 2015 Share Posted January 12, 2015 I love how DE keep on ignoring this thread. Oh I'm sure they're not ignoring this thread. There is at least someone reading through it prepared to step in when things get out of hand. Radio Silence can mean a couple of things Either things are just as they should be and while it's new we should buy it or face ridiculously low drop rates (which will creep up as soon as something new appears) Or things are not as they should be and they're already working on it. Just don't go blaming the wrong people. But yeah what I would love to see is loot tables that change during endless missions. Like certain items are rare in the first 20 minutes / waves but are much more likely after an hour. Getting a Forma Blueprint for fighting enemies lvl 100+ is a lil bit like a slap in your face. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
haolee510 Posted January 12, 2015 Share Posted January 12, 2015 Oh I'm sure they're not ignoring this thread. There is at least someone reading through it prepared to step in when things get out of hand. Last Devstream, Steve made a remark about revamping Void's reward table. I don't have the exact quote, but it's about dropping a Neutron bomb in the Void and essentially possibly putting prime parts elsewhere. I think we'll get more info on this in U16, or maybe when the next Prime comes out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UltimateSpinDash Posted January 12, 2015 Share Posted January 12, 2015 Last Devstream, Steve made a remark about revamping Void's reward table. I don't have the exact quote, but it's about dropping a Neutron bomb in the Void and essentially possibly putting prime parts elsewhere. I think we'll get more info on this in U16, or maybe when the next Prime comes out. He was quite vague though, and Devstream is basically public discussion among the devs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
haolee510 Posted January 12, 2015 Share Posted January 12, 2015 He was quite vague though, and Devstream is basically public discussion among the devs. Yeah, hence why I said possibly. But nevertheless it tells us something is being worked on about this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DoomFruit Posted January 12, 2015 Share Posted January 12, 2015 Last Devstream, Steve made a remark about revamping Void's reward table. I don't have the exact quote, but it's about dropping a Neutron bomb in the Void and essentially possibly putting prime parts elsewhere. I think we'll get more info on this in U16, or maybe when the next Prime comes out. Wouldn't a neutron bomb just depopulate the void? Interception and defence would be significantly easier, but survival missions would become completely impossible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(PSN)Toycammander666 Posted January 12, 2015 Share Posted January 12, 2015 Almost forgot about this thread, not letting it die! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
p3z1 Posted January 12, 2015 Share Posted January 12, 2015 http://imgur.com/ESU36QT R5 in 20 waves Very, very disappointing Note: T4D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HuzzelMuzzel Posted January 12, 2015 Share Posted January 12, 2015 As long as enough (frustrated) people buying the prime parts instead of quitting the game, there is no reason for DE to change anything. Maybe I'am too frustrated, but the grind was getting more worst over the last year and i think that was intended by DE. The game need more skill based gameplay and far less rng. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BagelBaronessKira Posted January 12, 2015 Share Posted January 12, 2015 Last Devstream, Steve made a remark about revamping Void's reward table. I don't have the exact quote, but it's about dropping a Neutron bomb in the Void and essentially possibly putting prime parts elsewhere. I think we'll get more info on this in U16, or maybe when the next Prime comes out. He most likely brought that up partially due to this thread Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Venus-Venera Posted January 12, 2015 Share Posted January 12, 2015 http://imgur.com/ESU36QT R5 in 20 waves Very, very disappointing Note: T4D thanks for tip. i will keep all my keys till they finally fit it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(PSN)TheYetiMan22 Posted January 12, 2015 Share Posted January 12, 2015 T4 survival... 45mins 15 Fusion cores...fine 2 Rhino Prime chassis...fine 2 Forma blueprints at 20mins & 40mins...no thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SOAP_Pmac Posted January 12, 2015 Share Posted January 12, 2015 Well i've pretty much quit this game over this issue, I'm probably not the only one. When a company purposedly tries to hide the fact that they are trying to "convince" players to buy stuff rather than play for it, thats when I am done with said company. Im all for them trying to make a profit but the way they are going about it is not fair to me, and in this case they get none of my money (whereas ive probably spent $150-200 on Dota 2 items alone). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cyrus106 Posted January 12, 2015 Author Share Posted January 12, 2015 (edited) T4 survival... 45mins 15 Fusion cores...fine 2 Rhino Prime chassis...fine 2 Forma blueprints at 20mins & 40mins...no thanks. I agree, it's only the forma and cores at rotation C that push the line with me in the void(Forma also is in WAY too many tables, and I mean WAY too many). Also, the terribad rotation C outside the void (See: Natural talent) isn't very promising either Edited January 12, 2015 by cyrus106 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Filas312 Posted January 12, 2015 Share Posted January 12, 2015 We're still getting ignored. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(PSN)TheYetiMan22 Posted January 13, 2015 Share Posted January 13, 2015 I agree, it's only the forma and cores at rotation C that push the line with me in the void(Forma also is in WAY too many tables, and I mean WAY too many). Also, the terribad rotation C outside the void (See: Natural talent) isn't very promising either If DE took forma or of rotation C, I'm pretty sure that they would get more revenue from market sales? I think OP needs to post a link to this thread in feedback forums? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrinityPrime Posted January 13, 2015 Share Posted January 13, 2015 So is asking for more rewarding void drop tables a pipe dream? Or is it more like the ugly truth of Warframe: Working as intended, keep grinding Tenno. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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