Cradicias Posted November 25, 2016 Author Share Posted November 25, 2016 9 hours ago, PoobahTheGrand said: I wonder how badly OP would be triggered if he played TF2, D2, or CS:GO ...What's this about being triggered? I'm posting my feedback. I haven't made any of this personal or gotten upset. Though, it is funny to me that people are SUPPORTING wanting to gouge/be gouged by people in their pricing and focusing solely on that part of the feedback and not even mentioning the very good feedback of wanting an auction house or separate trade tab for Rivens to make it easier to manage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ashrah Posted November 25, 2016 Share Posted November 25, 2016 that is tipical example of manipulation....and its fault of ppl who pay that much.. i would never pay mod over 100p...no matter how much plat i have... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sushi_Desires Posted November 27, 2016 Share Posted November 27, 2016 On 11/21/2016 at 11:58 PM, Cradicias said: Free markets all good in real life. I have to disagree with this (to a degree). It is clear that regulation is required IRL; the attrition of those with less power or ability simply takes on a different, less noticeable form. In the game, well, I don't know. The trading system is as it is, and rules cannot be bent or broken by the participants--unlike in the real world (lobbying, predatory lending, oligarchy, other bullsh*t). People can shortcut and buy mods that overcharge their best weapons, but they cannot technically use this ability to subjugate those who choose not to. In the game, spending a lot of platinum on any given item does not put the player's life at risk, and they can walk away at any time. One could put in a hundred dollars or so to buy platinum, a thousand perhaps. But if this act is actually beyond their means, then they must seek treatment in the real world--as there are other places that will take advantage of such behavior with far more malice. If you know someone in this situation, you should reach out to them. There have always been people posting outrageous prices in trade chat. We see these posts being repeated so much due to the fact that no one is buying from them. If I see someone trying to sell a list of junk for like 2 sigma over the average, I simply block them because even haggling will probably not produce a nearly-reasonable result. You will often sell sets in trade chat for 20-30p over the .market best price, and it is due perhaps to a matter of convenience or otherwise. Not really different from paying for a first-class seat on an airplane. I had this one kid yelling at me in all caps over the price of Trinity Prime two weeks ago (he wanted to trade it for a Nekros that I farmed, even though I always list a price in the post; a price that is reasonable). I told him .market sellers were selling it for 40-50p and in response I get "NO ITS NOT!" I say "Seriously? Go look." I had to /Ignore him, I'm not making that price up, it's a cold, hard, checkable fact. There is no reasoning with this type, but they will continue to exist nonetheless, whether they are too self-important or simply lack the faculties to know otherwise. This is more annoying than a chat price that is easily ignored in a market (Rivens specifically) that is in a state of unknown reasonable prices. I am already pretty annoyed about the 15 mod limit, and I believe that imposing an arbitrary price cap would be way out of line, especially when people already make 20-30k platinum offers for Primed Chamber. (To be clear, I am advocating no arbitrary price cap on trade values.) I would personally love to see an auction house, at least just for Riven mods. The problem is that such a thing doesn't freely exist on the web at this time. I believe that it is only a matter of time before a fansite introduces such a feature, and DE probably know this. For example some benevolent scholar already wrote a script that allows you to add custom [riven] mods to warframe.builder. It would be very nice to have their trading system act as the arbitrator, though. It would make matters so much easier. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AzureTerra Posted November 28, 2016 Share Posted November 28, 2016 (edited) On 22/11/2016 at 4:58 PM, Cradicias said: Free markets all good in real life. In a game? It's detrimental to the player base in that it discourages new players from ever trying out new systems. If it were for a item you needed to have maybe it would be a problem but given you don't actually need to have these mods on your weapons its not. Only your drive to have the mod is what makes you pay a price that's "unreasonable" Ive thought about getting a number but once the true prices comes out after the dance of "offer?" its typically way to much for me to worry about. I have however picked up a pair of nice mods for weapons i like for 100 and 75. Edited November 28, 2016 by AzureTerra Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TenGaugeBoson Posted December 3, 2016 Share Posted December 3, 2016 On 11/22/2016 at 0:58 AM, Cradicias said: Free markets all good in real life. In a game? It's detrimental to the player base in that it discourages new players from ever trying out new systems. Free markets are not good in real life that is why they don't exist outside of lawn maintenance, haircuts and prostitution. Every other market in the world if manipulated and regulated.The laws of supply and demand in the real world ended hundreds of years ago. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KIREEK Posted December 3, 2016 Share Posted December 3, 2016 All prices are fair, they are free to ask any price and you are free to deny the trade, no one is asking you to pay 3k, the decision must come from you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(XBOX)YoungGunn82 Posted December 3, 2016 Share Posted December 3, 2016 Just need a auction house, where u can put somthing up, put a price tag on it, they buy it, u get the plat, they get the item. And instead of a trading tab it should be divided up into Want to offer, Want to buy, Want to trade. just my 2 cents. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AcceptYourDeath Posted January 3, 2017 Share Posted January 3, 2017 On 22.11.2016 at 6:58 AM, CelticMoss said: I'm a free player that has made well over 5k plat For you as for everybody else assuming Platinum is just somehow around, and you just have to stop being lazy and farming parts. Every Platinum in the game and Platinum you make with trading had to be bought at some point from somebody. Nothing creates Platinum. If you actually spent money on this game on a regular basis you might have a different view and you get tired to spent money well beyond the 200-300$ mark. Your "free market" is toast once the part which spents money decides "You know what I am done spending 40$ for a Dread mod, I think I am done spending any money from now on" It doesn`t help anybody having excessive pricing, it`s just a burden to those keeping this whole thing going with their credit card. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(PSN)lhbuch Posted January 4, 2017 Share Posted January 4, 2017 The trade chat is terrible at least on consoles. It moves too fast and using the controller to manage it is even worse. It could be much better, feels like we are dealing with an old system created in the 80s. Prices will always be regulated by the players,lots of players wanting to pay high prices for an item will end up rising the prices for that item. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bubbabenali Posted January 4, 2017 Share Posted January 4, 2017 Let them pay what they want. The problem is that everbody thinks his mediocre riven is a "god roll" and laughs at you when you give them a reasonable offer. That guy then spams the chat for the next week and inspires other dudes to think their mediocre mods are "god rolls" too - and the circlejerk of mediocrity continues ad infintum... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(PSN)KnowLedge Posted January 4, 2017 Share Posted January 4, 2017 On 11/22/2016 at 0:49 AM, Cradicias said: So, this is gonna cover a few of my thoughts regarding Riven mods in their current state as it relates to the economy side of things First off, I love Riven mods. It does add a uniqueness to the game that no one else will really have the EXACT same stats as you. Now to the crux of the matter. HOLY CRAP, ARE PEOPLE LEECHING OTHERS FOR PLAT. Good god, I had someone that wanted 3k for an Ignis mod. To put that into perspective, that's roughly $150.00 US Dollars worth of platinum. That is INSANE. Now, I know that the market is all about freedom to set your own prices, but, can we please have some kind of cap/pricing system set up DE? By you? To make sure we aren't getting gouged for something that's not worth that much. Secondly, we need, I think, a separate trade tab for Riven Mods that uses a different system for posting. Right now, current Trade is just flooded with offers for Riven mods. It's hard to even keep track, let alone find what you want. The Auction House idea has been thrown around and that'd be ideal for this kinda system, but, barring that it'd be nice to have a separate tab for Riven Trading and maybe a slower rate of posts that can show up at once, give people a chance to see what someone posted before a new post completely buries it. Don't like the free market? Move to Cuba. Also I'm asking 5000p for my GOD roll Boltor Mod. Been offered 2500p so far.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cradicias Posted January 4, 2017 Author Share Posted January 4, 2017 1 hour ago, (PS4)KnowLedge said: Don't like the free market? Move to Cuba. Also I'm asking 5000p for my GOD roll Boltor Mod. Been offered 2500p so far.... Well, that's good. You're overcharging. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(PSN)KnowLedge Posted January 4, 2017 Share Posted January 4, 2017 (edited) 1 hour ago, Cradicias said: Well, that's good. You're overcharging. Considering I'm using it and enjoying it. I don't see it that way. You want it? You gotta pay. Not to mention the one in a million roll. Edited January 4, 2017 by (PS4)KnowLedge Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bubbabenali Posted January 4, 2017 Share Posted January 4, 2017 (edited) 3 hours ago, (PS4)KnowLedge said: Don't like the free market? Move to Cuba. Also I'm asking 5000p for my GOD roll Boltor Mod. Been offered 2500p so far.... 50% chance you're overestimating your riven 100% no one will buy it for 5000p within the next week. But good job for inspiring others to try to oversell their crap mods thanks to you unrealistic ask. Edited January 4, 2017 by bubbabenali Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coaa Posted January 4, 2017 Share Posted January 4, 2017 On 11/22/2016 at 9:09 PM, Cradicias said: I don't think you know what "dead" means. Cause, it's always still moved. But, now it's impossible to keep up with who's advertising for what. I agree with this, besides if you're posting prime parts or mods warframe.market has always been way better. I've had days where I go through my inventory and post new stuff on there, alt tab back to the game and already have people asking to sell it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(PSN)KnowLedge Posted January 4, 2017 Share Posted January 4, 2017 4 hours ago, bubbabenali said: 50% chance you're overestimating your riven 100% no one will buy it for 5000p within the next week. But good job for inspiring others to try to oversell their crap mods thanks to you unrealistic ask. Please..... +Multi +Damage +Flight Speed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bubbabenali Posted January 5, 2017 Share Posted January 5, 2017 2 hours ago, (PS4)KnowLedge said: Please..... +Multi +Damage +Flight Speed On anything with a crit chance higher than 15% thats a lukewarm riven at best. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shockwave- Posted January 5, 2017 Share Posted January 5, 2017 On 11/22/2016 at 0:59 AM, Cradicias said: Probably by gouging people >.> Everything is worth what someone will pay for it. If you offer at a price and they accept it then it's fair. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vermitore Posted January 5, 2017 Share Posted January 5, 2017 What people need to realise that we are not entitled to riven mods. There is no reason why riven mods should be priced at rates below what is in line with their market value as determined by supply and demand. Warframe is an excellent game for trading. It is excellent not in the sense that the game is a socialist utopia, but in the sense that in-game phenomena organically affect market prices and game knowledge actually gives you an edge, just as being knowledgeable in real life would permit you to read the markets better. If a cap was imposed on riven mods, that would detrimental not only to DE revenues (admit it, most of us are glad that there are impatient people with money to burn buying tens of thousands of plat), but to the global platinum pool. Riven mods do just that - they cause platinum to be injected into the global plat pool, driving down the relative cost of market purchases. It keeps DE afloat and the rest of us (mind you, I am not a free player, I have bought plat, etc, but only with Gift of the Lotus) well-supplied with plat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(PSN)KnowLedge Posted January 5, 2017 Share Posted January 5, 2017 12 hours ago, bubbabenali said: On anything with a crit chance higher than 15% thats a lukewarm riven at best. I'm not sure if your serious, delusional, saltly, or just not very smart. No one builds crit damage Boltor Primes. It's a puncture and status weapon. Side note: How do you have the rep you do? Misleading people that much....geee whiz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vermitore Posted January 5, 2017 Share Posted January 5, 2017 Just now, (PS4)KnowLedge said: I'm not sure if your serious, delusional, saltly, or just not very smart. No one builds crit damage Boltor Primes. It's a puncture and status weapon. Side note: How do you have the rep you do? Misleading people that much....geee whiz He did point out 'On anything with a crit chance higher than 15%...', did he not? I believe that means your example is largely inapplicable. That is not to say that I necessarily agree with the statement he made, but your example still does not apply. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(PSN)KnowLedge Posted January 5, 2017 Share Posted January 5, 2017 3 minutes ago, Vermitore said: He did point out 'On anything with a crit chance higher than 15%...', did he not? I believe that means your example is largely inapplicable. That is not to say that I necessarily agree with the statement he made, but your example still does not apply. We are talking about a Boltor Riven Moder. ALL BOLTOR VERSIONS ARE 5% BASE CRIT. So not only is his statement still way off and a reach to try and discredit how good my mod is. Your follow up is just as bad. Anyone else like these two have reaches for me.....I'm waiting. I really love Warframe but man the player base is so outta it sometimes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vermitore Posted January 5, 2017 Share Posted January 5, 2017 1 minute ago, (PS4)KnowLedge said: We are talking about a Boltor Riven Moder. ALL BOLTOR VERSIONS ARE 5% BASE CRIT. So not only is his statement still way off and a reach to try and discredit how good my mod is. Your follow up is just as bad. Anyone else like these two have reaches for me.....I'm waiting. I really love Warframe but man the player base is so outta it sometimes. I issued a fairly subdued and polite response to your remark, so is there any chance you can keep your emotional outbursts in check, in recognition of that fact? Thank you. As to the matter at hand. His statement was: 'On anything with a crit chance higher than 15% '. This clearly excludes the Boltor as well as any other weapon with a crit chance below 15%. That is what the combination of the words means when you give each constituent word its ordinary, literal meaning. Therefore, unless he was speaking in figurative or metaphorical terms, we are to take that to mean that he means to exclude from the discussion weapons with a sub-15% crit chance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bubbabenali Posted January 5, 2017 Share Posted January 5, 2017 15 minutes ago, (PS4)KnowLedge said: I'm not sure if your serious, delusional, saltly, or just not very smart. No one builds crit damage Boltor Primes. It's a puncture and status weapon. Side note: How do you have the rep you do? Misleading people that much....geee whiz Tha fuq!? Some sorry noob was willing to waste 2500p on a Boltor riven? The one "Toptier" weapon that falls off like a brick? Don't get me wrong the Boltor Prime is a good weapon, but even a +300% damage roll won't bring it on par with the crit based top tier weapons with a good riven - not even close. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skaleek Posted January 5, 2017 Share Posted January 5, 2017 Don't worry, at the rate people ignore eachother, we'll all be trading with ourselves soon enough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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