LabMan95 Posted January 25, 2017 Share Posted January 25, 2017 Just now, AM-Bunny said: Even if they were just Mastery Fodder, people still desire Mastery Fodder. Less people choosing the right side means there are fewer right-sided weapons in circulation which drives the prices up. The invisible hand of economy has a way of balancing these things out. Personally I couldn't care less -- the balance of these weapons is in a constant state of flux, and I think it's foolish to choose an allegiance based purely on how effective its rewards are. I simply choose the one I like; there are no regrets if you do that. I've seen people unable to sell the secura penta for 30 platinum, same for every other weapon on the right side. I've yet to see someone ask for any other weapon on that side. I see so many people asking 50 for the simulor, probably because of saps like me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(PSN)Elvenbane Posted January 25, 2017 Share Posted January 25, 2017 Even though I chose the 3 left syndicates to level, I don't use any of their weapons. I do use the Sancti Tigris and Rakta Dark Dagger on a daily basis. I am also fond of my Secura Penta with Tether Grenades and the Rakta Cernos is my bow of choice, so I'm going to have to disagree. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seir Posted January 25, 2017 Share Posted January 25, 2017 (edited) Recognizing that this game's core mechanic is the RNG and the grind, this nerf just made it more true to what the game really is. I was and still am against the nerf, but I have to look at it this way. I thought that the weapon didn't cause much harm to the game, and after several posts and talking to other members, it is true that it used to de-stabilize the economy of the game. It inflated prices and made credit gain trivial for those who had it, further hurting new and up and coming players. If the Lecta remained untouched it just meant that the game's future credit costs would have to rise in order to have a meaningful impact. Inflating the Platinum price of the weapon and the syndicate that has it. Making the other syndicate weapons from The Perrin Sequence more expensive because nobody buys them. And if future credit costs are increased the Lecta would become a necessity rather than a cool weapon to get a few more credits. Again further causing harm to those who don't have it and new players. This is while knowing that the Howl of the Kubrow quests demands from a new player up to 220k credits. We don't want the game to be a bitter and almost impossible journey to newer players, who are in fact the lifeblood of this game. Us veterans and high rank people tend to get burned out after a while because of the grind and repetitive nature of the game. So we come and go, new players are more inclined to stay longer periods of time than the old players because they still have a lot to do. So if you are mad about it, I hope I was able to give you a different perspective and understand DE's decision. Does it suck? Yes, the weapon is just another Mastery Rank farm, but it was the nerf or possibly kill the game. Edited January 25, 2017 by samuel3417 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rapt0rman Posted January 25, 2017 Share Posted January 25, 2017 How is sancti tigris and rakta cernos being arguably the second best shotgun and bow any different then vaykor marelok being the "second best secondary"? Meanwhile secura lecta will still be the weapon of choice for credit farming. Basically it's a non-issue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SerJadey Posted January 25, 2017 Share Posted January 25, 2017 This, my friend, speaks super true. You hit it right on the head. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sirfol Posted January 25, 2017 Share Posted January 25, 2017 (edited) W-w-w-what i'm seeing? L O G I C ? And btw Secura lecta give u 4x credits, so it's always better of the other 100+ melee weapons for credit farm. Edited January 25, 2017 by Sirfol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LabMan95 Posted January 25, 2017 Share Posted January 25, 2017 1 minute ago, rapt0rman said: How is sancti tigris and rakta cernos being arguably the second best shotgun and bow any different then vaykor marelok being the "second best secondary"? Meanwhile secura lecta will still be the weapon of choice for credit farming. Basically it's a non-issue. Very few people use bows or shotguns in the current "tonkor, simulor, soma" meta (and 100% status on a shotgun matters a lot, as opposed to even one at 98.7%, max I could get on my sancti), and everyone has a secondary for when they get downed. And with the nerf, running one excavator on hieracon and repeating is faster than the lecta now Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seir Posted January 25, 2017 Share Posted January 25, 2017 2 hours ago, Ikaje said: This, my friend, speaks super true. You hit it right on the head. Thank you. 2 hours ago, Sirfol said: W-w-w-what i'm seeing? L O G I C ? And btw Secura lecta give u 4x credits, so it's always better of the other 100+ melee weapons for credit farm. Lol, it's simple economics that I seem to have forgotten. And yeah, it is still better than all the rest of melee weapons to farm credits, but severely toned down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(PSN)joshw1400 Posted January 25, 2017 Share Posted January 25, 2017 19 minutes ago, (PS4)FunyFlyBoy said: If memory serves, Rakta Cernos has higher DPS than Dread because of the proc. Perrin Sequence has the Penta, and really, all of them are "useless"once you get their weapons. It get's higher crits than the dread, but the dread has red crits and scales better than impact. Although the Syndicate proc is viral(but armor just denies). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrJxt Posted January 25, 2017 Share Posted January 25, 2017 If you're a meta sheep then sure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(PSN)joshw1400 Posted January 25, 2017 Share Posted January 25, 2017 4 minutes ago, LabMan95 said: Very few people use bows or shotguns in the current "tonkor, simulor, soma" meta. Don't guestimate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LabMan95 Posted January 25, 2017 Share Posted January 25, 2017 Just now, (PS4)joshw1400 said: Don't guestimate. My apologies. Forgot about the rare "bow/shotgun only" mode for sorties Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(PSN)joshw1400 Posted January 25, 2017 Share Posted January 25, 2017 1 minute ago, LabMan95 said: My apologies. Forgot about the rare "bow/shotgun only" mode for sorties Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(PSN)Mofojokers Posted January 25, 2017 Share Posted January 25, 2017 I'd prefer to see no weapon or ability or augment attached to resources. Because even if it's small it's still the meta use to farm said resource. Maybe one day....😆 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tyrian3k Posted January 25, 2017 Share Posted January 25, 2017 I wouldn't mind the Lecta having a completely different, non-credit bonus if we had more ways to get them in the first place. End of mission rewards are pathetic and Sorties are only one reward per day, leaving Raids as the only option. Raids are quite difficult to access for newer players, though, who are the ones needing the credits most. The problem of inflation is a problem that DE could solve with a credit sink, the most effective likely being some gambling game. Instead, we have seen them continuously nerf credit rewards all over the place. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sintag Posted January 25, 2017 Share Posted January 25, 2017 Uh, hello? Fastest firing bow in the game, absolute CC domination with manual grenades, second strongest shotty and the most AoE focused on the Tigris series? Still free extra money, better stealth or infinite overshields, and less Status and healing on charge attacks? Decent dual auto pistols, great manual explosives, and an upgraded crossbow? No? Not doing it for ya? ...oh right, they require some semblance of skill, I forgot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rapt0rman Posted January 25, 2017 Share Posted January 25, 2017 I'm still just seeing a bunch of non-issues. "some people only uses meta weapons with meta tactics and now the game caters to them slightly less"... oh, oh well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LABAL Posted January 25, 2017 Share Posted January 25, 2017 You're just asking for another nerf. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chachingo Posted January 25, 2017 Share Posted January 25, 2017 I'm sorry how does the credit gain inflate prices ? I mean it's not tradable or anything Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(PSN)rowansprite Posted January 25, 2017 Share Posted January 25, 2017 Even a 2x multiplier isn't really bad. I can easily make 5-10k credits when my Smeeta gives me double drops, and that's only in 2 minutes. The Secura Lecta having a BASE 2x multiplier really isn't that bad at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SenorClipClop Posted January 25, 2017 Share Posted January 25, 2017 4 minutes ago, Chachingo said: I'm sorry how does the credit gain inflate prices ? I mean it's not tradable or anything Incorrect, the Secura Lecta (like all Syndicate weapons) can be traded. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xekrin Posted January 25, 2017 Share Posted January 25, 2017 2 minutes ago, Chachingo said: I'm sorry how does the credit gain inflate prices ? I mean it's not tradable or anything Were you not around for Pedastal Prime on Baro a while back? They were 1 million each and people bought dozens of them. Easily obtaining mass amounts of a single resource causes future prices to take into account how much people have. Example 1 - Mutagen Samples Example 2 - Sibear Example 3 - Vauban Prime Example 4 - Real life. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(PSN)Regiampiero Posted January 25, 2017 Share Posted January 25, 2017 Cry me a river. After all the Secura Lecta greed, this was well deserved. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chachingo Posted January 25, 2017 Share Posted January 25, 2017 1 minute ago, SenorClipClop said: Incorrect, the Secura Lecta (like all Syndicate weapons) can be traded. Actually was talking about credit . 1 minute ago, Xekrin said: Were you not around for Pedastal Prime on Baro a while back? They were 1 million each and people bought dozens of them. Easily obtaining mass amounts of a single resource causes future prices to take into account how much people have. Example 1 - Mutagen Samples Example 2 - Sibear Example 3 - Vauban Prime Example 4 - Real life. Yeah totally forgot about baro haven't had a chance to see him since I came back from a break and no I wasn't . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SenorClipClop Posted January 25, 2017 Share Posted January 25, 2017 So OP finds quadruple the credits absolutely useless, just because the previous broken drop rate was fixed? So OP, if that's the case and you have the weapon... can I have yours? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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