MistressMoonpaw Posted July 25, 2017 Share Posted July 25, 2017 As im not talking about the giant two hander we all know, I was wondering recently where the War in Warframe is. Because lets face it: The only 3 factions truly waging war are the infested (kinda), the grineer and the corpus. The Tenno dont feel like a military army that would be able to wage a war against any of the 3 factions. So far all the Tenno do is small operations for the most part. Skirmishes if you will. What I'd love to see, maybe in the far away future, are open battlefield scenarios against BIG armies, maybe involving vehicles you have to dispatch as well. Like tanks or flying battleships. Who knows. Together with the Tenno allies side by side like the Steel Meridian faction against a grineer army, or together with the perrin sequence against the corpus. When plains of eidolon hits, big open world battlefields are a possibility But who knows. Maybe im alone with that thought/idea Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Witchhammer Posted July 25, 2017 Share Posted July 25, 2017 nice, lets rename to Skirmishframe or Smallopsframe ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Airwolfen Posted July 25, 2017 Share Posted July 25, 2017 The warframes are from a time when the orokin were in war with the sentient. They were frames made for war Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(XBOX)Dyalar Posted July 25, 2017 Share Posted July 25, 2017 If the Warframes were truly made for war, you'd spend the majority of each play session cleaning weapons, filling sandbags, and drawing crude images on the walls of porta-johns. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZenDash Posted July 25, 2017 Share Posted July 25, 2017 8 minutes ago, MistressMoonpaw said: What I'd love to see, maybe in the far away future, are open battlefield scenarios against BIG armies, maybe involving vehicles you have to dispatch as well. Like tanks or flying battleships. Who knows. Together with the Tenno allies side by side like the Steel Meridian faction against a grineer army, or together with the perrin sequence against the corpus. When plains of eidolon hits, big open world battlefields are a possibility But who knows. Maybe im alone with that thought/idea This does sound great and all, but fps might be a problem, could our rigs even handle this much? link related lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rawbeard Posted July 25, 2017 Share Posted July 25, 2017 20 minutes ago, MistressMoonpaw said: The Tenno dont feel like a military army good, because they are not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pauli133 Posted July 25, 2017 Share Posted July 25, 2017 (edited) The war is in the backstory. The dreadfully inconsistent backstory, where we were once secret, fearsome, low tech superweapons, conceived in the desperation of a civilization on the brink of failure. Now we're magic teenagers running around a solar system where everyone knows who - and what - we are, working for the remnant of our original enemy in the form of a ghoulish facsimile of our one time 'mother'. We are cold, greedily calculating mercenaries who are told how honarable we are, all the while being sent out to prevent any of the successor states of humanity from developing any further than bare survival. We've got huge space stations, trade networks, flashy talking space ships (that are on a first name basis with every other computer in the system), we breed pets for fashion, we dance, we ape the motions and clothing of any ponce who happens to cater to our vanity... The war is long gone. We aren't fit for it anymore. Edited July 25, 2017 by pauli133 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sketch065 Posted July 25, 2017 Share Posted July 25, 2017 Similar to how it was in WW2 with Germans taking over other countries, Grineer are trying to take over the solar system with other factions trying to prevent them. That's only one example of war right there. Tenno are not soldiers, they are ment to restore the balance and protect the innocents (we are Jedi). If one side gains something that could tip the scale (like Balor fomorians or Ambulas) it is up to us to prevent them from using it by sending small teams to criple the enemy, but on our own, we are not strong enought to win the war. Plus, not all of us can play on space shuttles. Huge battles you describe would be unplayable for many players. I'm dripping sweat just thinking how is my PC going to run Plains of Eidolon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark_Sp00n Posted July 25, 2017 Share Posted July 25, 2017 (edited) 14 minutes ago, Sketch065 said: I'm dripping sweat just thinking how is my PC going to run Plains of Eidolon. 23 minutes ago, ZenDash said: This does sound great and all, but fps might be a problem, could our rigs even handle this much? Plains of Eidolon is going to run smoothly, because they reworked the way the PoE are loaded on your pc. It is an open field after all, so they can't keep the whole map generated at all times. They'll have to dump the visual memory of the elements outside of camera sight. The thing is, with such modifications and the implemantation of our first big open area, big battles will now be a valid scenario. We may not kill all the opponents of the corpus or grineer or infested or even orokin, but whilst there is a huge a** battle we can dive into, our objective could be to cut the supply line by going behind enemy ranks. This could flesh out the importance of our missions and help us immerse into the world of warframe. We would have the choice to get killed by a 20 lvl100 flamethrower guys and 40 lvl100 bombards, because you ain't killing that, bro, especially not with the 200 grineer units around them and no friendly fire. We could also cut said supply route and reduce their ranks to a mere dozen of opponents that would be much more manageable for your console or pc and for your warframe. This is not in opposition to the balance the tenno bring. Much like there are fomorians, there can be huge scale invasions in specific systems, requiring us to make huge scale missions to keep the balance. In the best of all cases, we could chose on the go between the faction we want to help and be spawned into the middle of the battlefield. Edited July 25, 2017 by Dark_Sp00n Fomoriations, lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ninjadeath721 Posted July 25, 2017 Share Posted July 25, 2017 4 hours ago, MistressMoonpaw said: As im not talking about the giant two hander we all know don't forget the node on mars Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark_Sp00n Posted July 25, 2017 Share Posted July 25, 2017 5 minutes ago, Ninjadeath721 said: don't forget the node on mars What node on mars? ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Volinus7 Posted July 25, 2017 Share Posted July 25, 2017 IncrementalClickingFrame FIFY The actual battlefield is where you fight for the actual game balancing and consistencies in lore/mechanics and negate as much incremental accretion as you could. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miser_able Posted July 25, 2017 Share Posted July 25, 2017 Just because we use guerilla tactics doesn't mean it isn't a war, otherwise the American revolution or the Vietnam War wouldn't be considered wars. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IX-44 Posted July 25, 2017 Share Posted July 25, 2017 Where ISN'T the war? It's all in our heads, man. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dylki Posted July 25, 2017 Share Posted July 25, 2017 Perhaps Warframe is a game about war. Real, bloody, cruel war. Right now I think THISS IS ONLY THE BEGINNING (jordas) There is much that has happened, much that has been revealed, but even more that has not been explained. Aristotle once said "The more you know, the more you know you don't know" and I believe that's very applicable to the universe of Warframe. Perhaps a long time ago, we didn't know what Sentients were, we were unsure why Ordis called us an "Operator", or why he spoke of an "Old War". We didn't know who or what the Stalker was, or what we were. Through the War Within, the Second Dream, and other quests, we slowly learnt of our heritage as Tenno, and that as much benevolence hides in our shadow as does darkness dwell in its depths. If we look back, we can see development of the story, in The New Strange we hear Chroma speak of "The Womb of the Sky", how it is "hushed and empty", we later find out this refers to Lua, the hiding place of the Tenno's real bodies. In Natah, we first see Hunhow, and then we also see what a sentient could look like, these being reinforced by The Second Dream which features our first encounter with real sentient (scouts). For a long time, many Grineer have spoke of "The (Twin) Queens", and only in The War Within do we see them. We have also gained insight into Baro's childhood, the Red Veil's religion and some secrets like The Silver Grove or the Myconian Colony's existence. And yet, as we get answers, we get more questions, mysteries that leave us thirsty for more answers. Over the years, Warframe has evolved, more enemies, friends have been given to us, and it might be a build up for something massive. Perhaps a few conspiracies about what's gonna happen (all speculations) Spoiler The Grineer have lost one of their Queens and perhaps much of their will to fight with one leader gone, but now Kuva has been introduced, a dark material that could empower the Grineer to fight like never before. Perhaps in this time, the Queen may even turn to Tyl Regor for assistance, borrowing his blueprints for genetic superiority to create something monstrous...then clone it so it lives forever. The Corpus are led by the Corpus Board, whose leader is Neffy, who speaks of The Void, The Void, profit, and--oh, did I mention The Void? We haven't even seen the rest of the Board yet, we've only seen Neffy and Alad. Over time, the Corpus went from birds and drones to kiwi tanks and The Razorback, powerful beasts that make other proxies cower in shame. Who knows how far Corpus technology will go? We've seen Fusion MOAs, empowered by the energy of the void, we've seen Zanuka, built from Warframe parts and we've certainly all seen Ambulas, a breed of Bursa with powerful weaponry. If we put all these together, and built an army of them, what would the Tenno do about it? The Infested have a lot of explaining to do. A charger is an infested lancer(or something), a Leaper is an infested Crewman. What's an Ancient then? A Boiler? A Juggernaut? What is Lephantis? He/she's got Grineer, Corpus and Infested parts, but there's no indication of that. No resemblance, not abilities, nada. What could the Infested curse have taken over to get that hideous anyway? And what would the Tenno do if the infested took over the aforementioned future supersoldiers of the Grineer or Corpus? The Sentients are still a bit of a mystery, but if I'm not wrong, the Sentients we fight on Lua are scouts, not the real deal. At the end of Natah, we see a giant skeleton getting blown up, and based on Eidolon having similar structures all around I assume that that is an actual Sentient soldier. It looks terrifying. What are we supposed to do when an army of them come after us? So now, when all this develops, what's gonna happen? Everyone wants to kill everyone, and everyone wants to kill the Tenno. This is probably gonna be when real war breaks out, when civilians and innocents run and hide even though they know they're gonna die. When everyone starts devastating the planets and homelands in an effort to kill. When everyone fights...and loses. In war, nobody wins. Perhaps we might think we win, because we have killed the Grineer. Perhaps we are the victors, when Corpus lie dead at our feet. Perhaps we are conquerors, when Sentient bones litter the dirt. Perhaps...this makes us the worst people in the universe. We are murderers. We kill and kill and kill in an effort to get more powerful so we can kill better. Maybe one day, the game will let us know that. Someone may let us know that... In conclusion, I feel Warframe is a game about war and all its malice. We kill because we are told to, because we want to get stronger. Almost everything revolves around killing, and we follow it numbly. Take a step back, Tenno. Take a step back, humans. Who were we? Would we really kill someone? No, not a Grineer. Take someone you don't really know, a stranger, or perhaps that guy next door. Would you kill him? Would you kill him for a thousand bucks and a new gun so you can kill more people? We're getting desensitized by Warframe (and other violent games) by being told it's okay to take someone else's life. In fact, who does that better than us Tenno? We space ninjas cut, stab, pound, slam, shoot, bludgeon and explodinate our way to victory on a daily basis, and take pleasure in it. Maybe one day, Warframe will take us aside and say "Tenno, look what you've done. Wake up. You're a horrible person." "Tenno, look how strong you are. What have you done with that strength?" "Tenno, consider what you have learned from those skirmishes. What have you learnt?" Warframe will give us new content which may surprise, enrage or even frighten us. Surely the average Tenno would have felt something when Baro was neglected by Inaros, when Rell first tried to kill you, when you first saw who you really were. This game evokes emotion in us. As we uncover the secrets of Warframe, how the conflict has developed before the Tenno awoke, we need to remember that it's not just the War Without us, It's about the War Within us. Sorry for ranting :( Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legion-Shields Posted July 25, 2017 Share Posted July 25, 2017 (edited) The missions we usually do for the Lotus are equivalent to special-ops missions today. These are precision strikes that disrupt the enemy back line and make it harder to support the front lines. If the Army is the hammer, the Navy Seals (and the Tenno) would be the scalpel. However, there are mission types that allow you to pick a side and fight on the front lines versus the other side. You skip over these every time you enter the navigation menu and transition between alerts and relic runs. Edited July 25, 2017 by Legion-Shields Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(PSN)theelix Posted July 25, 2017 Share Posted July 25, 2017 This is kind of...? I mean, War isn't just sitting in a trench, scared S#&$less over when the next mortar drops and who dies next. What we're doing right now IS war. To take into consideration that we also have next to NO forces compared to what either faction has. The most we can send out to retaliate against Vay Hek for destroying most of our relays are two cells. Eight whole Tenno. How many do they send out? I can tell you it's exponentially more. Putting ourselves with such pathetically limited forces, no matter how powerful we are in comparison, is a very, very poor tactical move. I think the "war" aspect of this game has been portrayed just fine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S.T.M.P.D Posted July 25, 2017 Share Posted July 25, 2017 On an average mission, I kill about a hundred Grineer or Infested or Corpus or whatever. On an endless mission, that number usually goes up by a factor of three. And I'm absolute garbage at this game, I only have like one prime. Compare that to the real grinders who slaughter hordes of overarmored clones for hours on end to get bits of pretty golden guns. Any Tenno who has been playing for over a year probably has hundreds of thousands of kills under their belt - and we've got MILLIONS of registered losers who are doing that. I mean, if we wanted to be accurate, we could call it Genocideframe, or Holocaustframe, but that just doesn't roll off the tounge as easily, does it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChaoticEdge Posted July 25, 2017 Share Posted July 25, 2017 8 hours ago, ZenDash said: This does sound great and all, but fps might be a problem, could our rigs even handle this much? link related lol you can lower your qualities of your video graphic, recording may make it even laggyer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(PSN)robotwars7 Posted July 25, 2017 Share Posted July 25, 2017 10 hours ago, MistressMoonpaw said: I was wondering recently where the War in Warframe is. Because lets face it: The only 3 factions truly waging war are the infested (kinda), the grineer and the corpus. The Tenno dont feel like a military army that would be able to wage a war against any of the 3 factions. that's because we aren't the military, and we were never intended to be like that. we are a specialised unit designed for infiltration and assassination of high value targets, not for running mindlessly onto the battlefield. we don't have the numbers to fight the factions anyway, they number in the billions while there's only a few million of us. there's more than one way to wage war: information wars, propaganda wars, psychological warfare, biological warfare, nuclear warfare etc. there's still plenty warring in the system: Corpus Vs Grineer and both those sides vs. the Infested. plus the Sentients are in the mix now, and still have yet to make a proper entrance on the battlefield towards the other factions. the real battle is against the ultimate enemy.. RNG. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Syln Posted July 25, 2017 Share Posted July 25, 2017 the war is between your liset and an infestation called bobblehead (and they are winning) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(PSN)Owwly Posted July 25, 2017 Share Posted July 25, 2017 The War... War Never Changes... Untill, some prepubescent teenager get's hold of the greatest super HD, hyper realistic, jaw dropping VR of a biomechanical space ninja which they can power with their mind using unknown powers in which derives from a space in existance which transcends reality and illusion, which they then use to fight what they believe is "corruption", whilst being lead by a woman who naggs them to do life threatening heroic stuff, while also "caring" for them like her own children. This... is WARFRAME. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(PSN)horridhal Posted July 25, 2017 Share Posted July 25, 2017 My Frames don't fight wars. They win them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CicaedaV Posted July 26, 2017 Share Posted July 26, 2017 1 hour ago, (PS4)horridhal said: My Frames don't fight wars. They win them. damn, thats is the most badass thing i have heard today Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SunsetChaos Posted July 26, 2017 Share Posted July 26, 2017 What do you guys think of this idea? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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