Leeching in a Fissure but "he's doing his job"

[Joe_Barbarian]

 

 

I'm impressed this player went 17m 55s (who was playing frost btw) managed to not get a single kill. I know some people here will go "but why stick around so long?" because when presenting to support when someone is leeching showing that it wasn't just a 2-3minute thing for example: you might get someone at the door. He was in full level 30 equipment so he wasn't levelling, he was just circumventing the AFK timer by looting after each wave.

This is the kind of behaviour that the player base should be working on stamping out, not because 'Oh you had 3 people doing things so whats the problem?' It's players believing that this kind of behaviour is acceptable constantly. 

Edit: So it's come to light that there is a community within warframe that support leeching, so you all heard it here first. If you want to AFK a Defence take frost, sit on the point and press 3 and keep it active. No need to try and kill everything, that's what your team is there for.

 

Edited September 4, 2018 by Joe_Barbarian

[Voltage]

Was this a defense/interception? I ask because you used the term "waves". You also didn't show the Abilities Used screen or pickups. I wouldn't call a Frost player a leecher because he camps on the objective to protect it and does nothing else. We aren't getting the full picture here and I feel it is wrong to portray a partial image on the forums where other players will jump to conclusions.

Please add the mission node specifically, enemy levels, and EVERY single player statistic under his/her name. Even then, we don't have the evidence to conclude that this player was leeching given there is no video recording aimed at Frost for the whole mission duration. This post will not accomplish anything.

PS: If he was doing what Frost does, and my assumption that it was defense/interception is correct, then he was "doing his job".

Edited September 4, 2018 by Voltage

[rune_me]

In a high level defense Frost shouldn't really be having any kills at all, since he should more or less just be spamming his globe and nothing else.

Problem is that there are many YouTube videos that says that this is Frost's role in defense, but forget to mention that that is only needed if you are playing very high level defense. So a lot of new or new-ish players sees these videos and think oh, this is how I have to play Frost in a defense mission. 

If the player was actually using his globe consistently, chances are he was just miss informed and thought he was doing his job. Not saying that is the case, but without more info, it certainly could be the case.

[FillyRarity]

He only took 1% damage. Looks like he, as a walking shield, wasn't only doing his job but overperforming.

[(PSN)hereticSky]

I'm inclined to conclude that this frost was casting globe and camping the defense objective, and there's nothing wrong with that.

Unless you show otherwise of course.

[Joe_Barbarian]

3 minutes ago, Voltage said:

Was this a defense? You also didn't show the Abilities Used screen or pickups. I wouldn't call a Frost player a leecher because he camps objective to protect it and does nothing else. We aren't getting the full picture here and I feel it is wrong to portray a partial image on the forums where other players will jump to conclusions.

Please add the mission mode specifically, enemy levels, and EVERY single player statistic under his/her name.

Taranis (Void) - Neo Defence.

In name order - Equinox / Frost / Mesa / Nidus.

Doesn't matter the frame, if you're sitting around for almost 18minutes and doing nothing but loot expecting everyone else to kill everything while you sit there and loot, that is the very definition of leeching.

3 minutes ago, rune_me said:

In a high level defense Frost shouldn't really be having any kills at all, since he should more or less just be spamming his globe and nothing else.

Problem is that there are many YouTube videos that says that this is Frost's role in defense, but forget to mention that that is only needed if you are playing very high level defense. So a lot of new or new-ish players sees these videos and think oh, this is how I have to play Frost in a defense mission. 

If the player was actually using his globe consistently, chances are he was just miss informed and thought he was doing his job. Not saying that is the case, but without more info, it certainly could be the case.

Added in picture links of what he was doing outside of looting.

[GnarlsDarkley]

2 minutes ago, Joe_Barbarian said:

doing nothing

he used snow globe to protect the target...nothing else to say.

It's like saying EV Trin is a leecher as well

Edited September 4, 2018 by GnarlsDarkley

[Voltage]

3 minutes ago, Joe_Barbarian said:

Taranis (Void) - Neo Defence.

In name order - Equinox / Frost / Mesa / Nidus.

Doesn't matter the frame, if you're sitting around for almost 18minutes and doing nothing but loot expecting everyone else to kill everything while you sit there and loot, that is the very definition of leeching.

The Warframe DOES matter. Frost is a Defense specialist and this player is not in the wrong. He was not "doing nothing". Equinox and Mesa are getting the majority of the kills. Frost is defending the objective. The only problem I see here is your definition of leeching. You may as well say anyone that buffs/supports/fortifies is a leecher because they aren't playing Saryn/Equinox/Mesa....

Edited September 4, 2018 by Voltage

[Joe_Barbarian]

Just now, GnarlsDarkley said:

he used snow globe to protect the target...nothing else to say

Yeah 7 casts over 18 minutes, that excuses him from doing anything else and helps himself to loot.

[FillyRarity]

damn I'm a few posts behing, thwarted again

Edited September 4, 2018 by FillyRarity
Missed crucial posts.

[Joe_Barbarian]

Just now, Voltage said:

The Warframe DOES matter. Frost is a Defense specialist and this player is not in the wrong. Equinox and Mesa are getting the majority of the kills. Frost is defending the objective. The only problem I see here is your definition of leeching.

Pressed 3 on average of 150 seconds excuses another player from doing nothing but circumvent the AFK timer so he can get relic rewards. 

[Xaero]

Ok, so Equinox from a team with Mesa complains Frost doesn't kill. While Frost was defending the target with Snowglobe.

[Voltage]

1 minute ago, Joe_Barbarian said:

Yeah 7 casts over 18 minutes, that excuses him from doing anything else and helps himself to loot.

It ... does. You can't tell people how much they should be doing. He did more than nothing and is entitled to the team's drops/rewards. Public matchmaking places players of all different capacities. If you want someone to do more than that (acceptable) Frost player, go to recruit chat or friends/alliance/clan members.

[FillyRarity]

Just now, Joe_Barbarian said:

Pressed 3 on average of 150 seconds excuses another player from doing nothing but circumvent the AFK timer so he can get relic rewards. 

Whenever I play frost I feel strange because of this very reason, particularly with higher level missions, you could be doing perfectly for quite a while but shield drops for a moment and you fail. I'd rather a person sat on their arse ready to stop my 18 minute game being wasted as opposed to an equal stats screen.

[Synpai]

8 minutes ago, Joe_Barbarian said:

Taranis (Void) - Neo Defence.

In name order - Equinox / Frost / Mesa / Nidus.

Doesn't matter the frame, if you're sitting around for almost 18minutes and doing nothing but loot expecting everyone else to kill everything while you sit there and loot, that is the very definition of leeching.

 

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Added in picture links of what he was doing outside of looting.

 

As far as I can tell he's being a team player. I wouldn't bother trying to get kills with a team comp like that around me on frost.

[Xaero]

Just now, Joe_Barbarian said:

Pressed 3 on average of 150 seconds excuses another player from doing nothing but circumvent the AFK timer so he can get relic rewards. 

I know what should be changed in the game to please you.

Equinox. Maim only stores damage dealt by the player, damage dealt by teammates doesn't count. Stored damage spreads evenly between enemies in range.

Mesa. Peacemaker's reticle is not screen-sized anymore, instead it's a normal reticle with a soft-lock on targets close to crosshair.

That's it, Frost will have to do some kills too.

[Joe_Barbarian]

1 minute ago, Voltage said:

It ... does. You can't tell people how much they should be doing. He did more than nothing and is entitled to the team's drops/rewards. Public matchmaking places players of all different capacities. If you want someone to do more than that (acceptable) Frost player, go to recruit chat or friends/alliance/clan members.

This is why the player base is getting worse, so what you're saying is if I want to AFK a fissure I should just roll frost press 3 when I'm bored and make sure I'm not flagged for afk by looting between waves?

[IceColdHawk]

1 minute ago, Voltage said:

Public matchmaking places players of all different capacities.

True. But it doesn't give people a free ticket to leech off others. People have been warned and in further breaking of the rules even banned, before.

Pretending that people leeching off your efforts doesn't bother you isn't being honest and also doesn't help the case. Playing with friends is a way around the problem but not a fix to this problem.

@Joe_BarbarianShould you gather enough evidence, you can try reporting someone for leeching to the support. Other than that i don't really see how DE can prevent this without also punishing people unfairly.

[(XBOX)Eminem2420]

I wonder how many of these complaint threads will keep popping up before players realize that its pointless to complain with out offering any valid solutions. They're not helpful in the slightest.

[rune_me]

2 minutes ago, Joe_Barbarian said:

This is why the player base is getting worse, so what you're saying is if I want to AFK a fissure I should just roll frost press 3 when I'm bored and make sure I'm not flagged for afk by looting between waves?

You shouldn't press 3 when you are bored. You should press 3 when your globe is about to go down. 

And no, this is not "getting worse". This is how Frost has always been. Keeping his snow globe up has always been, and will always be, his one and only priority in a defense mission.

[(PSN)drpunk-yo]

Dude, it sucks.

But you'll only get more angry trying to discuss it on this forum because ever thread like this is just full of people who sympathise with leechers. No idea why.

[FashionFrame]

5 minutes ago, Joe_Barbarian said:

This is why the player base is getting worse, so what you're saying is if I want to AFK a fissure I should just roll frost press 3 when I'm bored and make sure I'm not flagged for afk by looting between waves?

He was doing his job, how are you not understanding this? This isn't a difficult concept. He wasn't leeching, there were clearly 2 meta players doing most of the kills just fine, the frost was holding up a bubble, he doesn't need to get kills. If he was sitting at the spawn and literally doing nothing, then YES, he's leeching. Stop whining that the community is bad when the fact is most people in this forum clearly understand the frost was doing just fine. You're just overreacting.

[rune_me]

1 minute ago, IceColdHawk said:

True. But it doesn't give people a free ticket to leech off others. People have been warned and in further breaking of the rules even banned, before.

Pretending that people leeching off your efforts doesn't bother you isn't being honest and also doesn't help the case. Playing with friends is a way around the problem but not a fix to this problem.

Nobody here is pretending that, though. People are saying that a Frost that defends the objective with his snow globe is not leeching. Just as a Trinity that keeps the team alive and with energy is not leeching. Just as a Limbo that keeps a Mobile Defense target alive without killing anyone is not leeching.

It's a ridiculous notion that 0 kills equals leeching.

[KimchiKen_Prime]

I would say yes, he was leeching and being afk, mostly.

However, he is actually considerate enough to bring a Frost to contribute to the team and prevent the objective from taking damage and then failing the mission.

 

Therefore, a considerate leecher.

[(XBOX)Hyperion Rexx]

You can't help the team you get when public.  However,  7 casts in 18 min isn't doing much, this wasn't level 300 or something where frost sitting on the objective constantly spamming his globe is exactly what you want.  He could easily have killed a few things as well to help his team offensively, doesn't need to be equal stats but casting his globe every 2 or 3 waves and doing nothing else is a bit much.